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Old 01-31-2013, 11:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I’m bored – so it’s time to play everyone’s favorite game – CAVS roster if LeBron comes home to Cleveland. Is everyone excited? You say it’s only a 20% chance he comes back to Cleveland? Well then stop reading now – because I’m about to get real annoying with the rest of my post and it’s going to be long. So not worth your read.

Let’s just say – because if I didn’t this post would be dumb as this is obviously all hypotheticals – that the following happens – and this isn’t grasping at straws – these could certainly happen.

Cavs finish with a Top 3 Draft Pick (which is probable considering their current record as 3rd worst in the NBA) – The Top 3 are probably going to be Noel/McLemore/Muhammed in some order…for this exercise those are the Top 3.

Lakers squeak into the playoffs as an 8th or 7th seed (not probable – but for this exercise it is) – Thus the Cavs get their draft pick in the 15-20 range. If the Lakers don’t get in the playoffs the Cavs get the Heat’s first rounder – so we have 2 first rounders either way. Just a matter of a 15-20 pick or a 28-30 pick.

Anderson Varejao doesn’t have his legs cut off because of injury – and the Cavs decide not to trade him as his contract is cheap going forward and he’s locked in for 2 ½ more seasons.

And the kicker…

LeBron decides to opt out in 2014 to at least LOOK at his options (and Wade will be aging quickly as he is now)...and he sees Kyrie Irving, who by 2014, might be a Top 5 player in the game (and better then Wade – which he probably already is)

LeBron sees this roster:

PG – Kyrie Irving
SG – Dion Waiters
SF – LeBron James??
PF – Anderson Varejao
C – Nerlens Noel (1-3 pick this year – I’m taking the defensive guy – the Cavs don’t have problems scoring. They can’t stop anyone)

Bench:
Tristan Thompson, Alonzo Gee, Tyler Zeller, Josh Shelby (I think he sticks around), James McAdoo (who most mocks have going around 18-20 – so using the Lakers pick)…and filler…Shaun Livingston might be brought back, Wayne Ellington, Boobie Gibson, whatever…

LeBron wouldn’t have interest in a team like that? The best PG in Basketball, a #1 pick at Center, two #4 overall picks in Waiters/Thompson, his buddy Anderson (who was leading the league in rebounding when he got hurt) and then young pieces in Zeller/McAdoo to bring off the bench?

AND THERE IS MORE…

Cavs have MAX Cap space. They have almost no money truly committed going forward and Kyrie/Waiters/Thompson will be after LeBron - so as long as Gilbert will pay the tax (which he would for LeBron) it's not as if players will bail after signing a max guy. Gilbert can still pay mor ethen any other team for our young guys. Basic cap stuff as everyone knows. So if LeBron doesn't want it then maybe someone else does. The point being they are completely flexible. Hence getting a lottery pick and players basically from Memphis for free just to take back some contracts that Dan Gilbert will pay for one year and dump. No big deal. Doesn't change the cap at all.

Cavs still have Sacramento’s first round pick from the Hickson trade (lots of protections – but it’s still an asset – maybe more of a trade asset but it’s still another first rounder), and Memphis’s first round pick (very few protections – could easily be a lottery pick for anyone that saw the trade last week)…AND they have at least 2 2nd round picks in every draft up until 2016 from various trades…just more assets. The Cavs have, and I'd have to double check the math based on protections, 14 picks over the next 5 seasons between the 1st and 2nd round from various trades. I realize 2017 won't matter to LeBron - but it's just assets.

No chance you say? That’s fine. I’m just bored and wanted to get it on paper. I’m not going to argue back and forth with everyone that says “NO WAY LEBRON GOES TO CLEVELAND” as that’s not really the point of this post. It might only be a 5% chance. Who knows - but anyone that simply says "Cavs suck" didn't read this post at all and is showing their ignorance of the current team situation.

This was more of showing the assets the Cavs have accumulated, along with young players they’ve got, that show what the options might be for LeBron in 2014. It’s a lot better than the Antwan Jamison/Larry Hughes years.
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Could happen but I just don't see LBJ coming back
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It's not impossible but still a far fetched idea at this point, but hey you never know what the future holds.
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If I may add to this. I have FIRMLY believed all along after it was discovered that James, Wade and Bosh decided to team up in Miami during the Olympics, that they would all take the same deal, go to a place like Miami and win games and titles and basically party it up like 3 friends going away to college together. Then after 4 years, they will ALL opt out and ALL return "home" and see who can win more titles when they retire. Wade will go to Chicago to play with Noah and Rose, Bosh will go to Houston to play with Harden and Lin and LeBron will go back to Cleveland to play with Kyrie and company. Does anyone think its a coincidence that Houston, Chicago and Cleveland all lack one key component to their starting 5's? Chicago needs a SG-Wade, Houston needs a PF-Bosh and Cleveland needs a SF-LeBron. It all makes way too much sense to be happenstance in David Sterns "frozen envelope" driven drama league, known as the NBA.
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If I may add to this. I have FIRMLY believed all along after it was discovered that James, Wade and Bosh decided to team up in Miami during the Olympics, that they would all take the same deal, go to a place like Miami and win games and titles and basically party it up like 3 friends going away to college together. Then after 4 years, they will ALL opt out and ALL return "home" and see who can win more titles when they retire. Wade will go to Chicago to play with Noah and Rose, Bosh will go to Houston to play with Harden and Lin and LeBron will go back to Cleveland to play with Kyrie and company. Does anyone think its a coincidence that Houston, Chicago and Cleveland all lack one key component to their starting 5's? Chicago needs a SG-Wade, Houston needs a PF-Bosh and Cleveland needs a SF-LeBron. It all makes way too much sense to be happenstance in David Sterns "frozen envelope" driven drama league, known as the NBA.
Honestly wouldn't surprise me.

Forget the city of Cleveland. Everyone hates on Cleveland. I get that.

Just look at the players. You're telling me that LeBron/Kyrie/Noel (or plug in your favorite Top 5 pick here) - and don't even count Waiters/Zeller/Thompson + other picks if they progress as we all hope - can't be as good as LeBron/Wade/Bosh?

I don't think people truly realize how good Kyrie is since the Cavs aren't on TV all the time. A "Top 2" of LeBron/Kyrie will be better then LeBron/Wade by 2014. It's not even a question in my mind.

So is Bosh better then all the young pieces and picks the Cavs will have?

It's not the Donyell Marshall and Delonte West days anymore. The Cavs have legit assets AND a Top 5 overall player in the league (IMO by 2014) - They've never been able to offer that to LeBron before.

Now they can.

Also always makes me laugh that people think LeBron would never "come home" ignoring the fact that he still lives in Akron for most of the year.
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He lives in Akron and its pretty well documented that he wants his 2 boys to attend SVSM in Akron just like good ol' dad
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And Gilbert will be the biggest clown if he brings lebron back
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both lebron and kobe have admitted that kyrie will be at worst a top 10 player in the next 3 years. couple that with wade's stagnation in play & slow (but seemingly steady) decline in his body & you've got a perfect storm to go back to cleveland (at least from a hoops perspective).
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But what about title #2


and #3

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i just dont see it happening, the miami orginization is going to do everything they can to keep lebron and to build a dynasty. so far in two years, they are 1-1 in the finals and this year could easily be a third trip. i feel lebron will finish out his career in miami, the heat will eventually move wade if his production continues to decrease and they are not winning titles. the only time i see lebron going back to cleavland is when he is on the verge of retirement and he spends his final short contract playing/mentoring for the cavs.
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Cavs fans are just delusional.
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Well thought out OP.

As a Cavs fans here are my few questions.

How is the Gilbert-Lebron relationship?

How will Cleveland welcome his possible return?

When he left, I felt the same after a break up. He left us for a better looking team. I went through the stages of denial, anger, depression, and now Im feeling like it wasnt so bad. If he wanted to get back together, I would probably be ok with it. I would have some trust issues and wouldnt want to get too excited at first so he doesnt break my heart again.

I wonder how other Cavs fans would receive it. Would Lebron have to say hes sorry and he missed us before we take him back?
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Well thought out OP.

As a Cavs fans here are my few questions.

How is the Gilbert-Lebron relationship?

How will Cleveland welcome his possible return?

When he left, I felt the same after a break up. He left us for a better looking team. I went through the stages of denial, anger, depression, and now Im feeling like it wasnt so bad. If he wanted to get back together, I would probably be ok with it. I would have some trust issues and wouldnt want to get too excited at first so he doesnt break my heart again.

I wonder how other Cavs fans would receive it. Would Lebron have to say hes sorry and he missed us before we take him back?


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Very interesting read- thanks for posting. I feel like he could win a title with that Cavs team you have there. I don't know if Lebron has but that much thought into it, but if he read the post I think he would consider it.
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I'm a Cavaliers fan so instead of focusing on the % of it happening, I'll focus on why it could work for Lebron or any big free agent that is looking for a good landing spot. The Cavaliers have accumulated young players on cheaper contracts and lots of picks. If you want to improve, spending and drafting are the ways to do it. I would rather have the 2014 Cavaliers + Lebron than any of the past Cavaliers teams that had Lebron, mostly because of Kyrie Irving. As for the fans, I'm sure some will not like him returning but face it, IF the Cavaliers become relevant again, most will forgive in a heartbeat.
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Well thought out OP.

As a Cavs fans here are my few questions.

How is the Gilbert-Lebron relationship?

How will Cleveland welcome his possible return?

When he left, I felt the same after a break up. He left us for a better looking team. I went through the stages of denial, anger, depression, and now Im feeling like it wasnt so bad. If he wanted to get back together, I would probably be ok with it. I would have some trust issues and wouldnt want to get too excited at first so he doesnt break my heart again.

I wonder how other Cavs fans would receive it. Would Lebron have to say hes sorry and he missed us before we take him back?
One thing is true of Gilbert. He LOVES making money and isn't afraid to spend/invest it either. Proof in the casinos he's built in Ohio, purchasing Greek Town in Detroit among many other endeavors he has his hands in. So bringing LeBron back would do nothing short of making him and the Cavs A LOT of money. As far as Gilbert looking a like a fool, hey we all make dumb mistakes and say stupid a$$ things. He just happens to be on a much more grand and public forum. Psst, he has already admitted on Cavs broadcasts and in print that his "letter" was a mistake and he wishes he could take it back. Where is ESPN to report this part of the story? Bron Bron has came out and said pretty much the same thing about wishing he went about it another way and the great fans of the Cavs deserved better. For those that wish to say "won't happen, can't happen, Cavs fans are delusional" just look at the facts and you can't say there isn't a CHANCE which is what OP was saying all along.

Also, to the poster that said he doesn't think LeBron has or will put that much thought into, I strongly beg to differ. LBJ is so calculated with everything he does and says, I wouldn't be surprised if he has put MORE thought into than anything the OP said or anyone else on this board could come up with. Don't you think he has agents and handlers to get into all the specifics of this kind of thing as well. His agent by the way is, Rich Paul childhood buddy, who is based out of Cleveland, represents Tristan Thompson and is good friends with the Cavs and Gilbert. He was the only member of James' posse that had enough class to call Gilbert and inform the team prior to the "Decision" about what James had chosen to do.
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Well thought out OP.

As a Cavs fans here are my few questions.

How is the Gilbert-Lebron relationship?

How will Cleveland welcome his possible return?

When he left, I felt the same after a break up. He left us for a better looking team. I went through the stages of denial, anger, depression, and now Im feeling like it wasnt so bad. If he wanted to get back together, I would probably be ok with it. I would have some trust issues and wouldnt want to get too excited at first so he doesnt break my heart again.

I wonder how other Cavs fans would receive it. Would Lebron have to say hes sorry and he missed us before we take him back?
The Gilbert & LeBron thing was blown out of proportion. Gilbert was a moron - everyone knew that - but he's also a billionaire for a reason. He doesn't let personal feelings dictate good business. If LeBron said he wanted to play with Kyrie then Gilbert would hand him a blank check. He'd probably limit the LeBron entourage a bit (as LeBron basically ran the Cavs before) but I also think LeBron is mature enough now to not handle things the same.

As far as Cavs fans - and I'm a season ticket holder - only the irrational ones don't want him back. It's like irrational Ohio State fans that would rather go 1-11 and beat Michigan - where as 90% of us would rather go 11-1 and lose to Michigan if that was the other option.

Ohio is over the LeBron thing. As mentioned he lives in Akron, still runs all his camps with his old HS coachs (all of whom also think he comes back), and generally represents Ohio very well with the way he handles himself.

Some of Cleveland is delusional - but those are the same fans that hate the Broncos because of John Elways 2 decades ago. The rational Cleveland fans only hate the Ravens and Steelers. Haha.
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i just dont see it happening, the miami orginization is going to do everything they can to keep lebron and to build a dynasty. so far in two years, they are 1-1 in the finals and this year could easily be a third trip. i feel lebron will finish out his career in miami, the heat will eventually move wade if his production continues to decrease and they are not winning titles. the only time i see lebron going back to cleavland is when he is on the verge of retirement and he spends his final short contract playing/mentoring for the cavs.
But my response to this was in my other post...

Lets say the Heat win this year (very possible) - so he's got 2 with Wade/Bosh and the other filler players they have.

Are Wade/Bosh really better then Irving/Noel going forward? Lets say Noel can come in (hypothetically of course if we can draft him) and give you much better defense and rebounding then Bosh (and Noel is much better at both) - you're telling me that Wade is still good enough to be better then Kyrie?

Heat can't rebuild unless one of the guys goes away. Will they trade Wade? Trade Bosh?

Because if you, like I do, think Kyrie is better then Wade next year - the Cavs offer a better overall roster with LeBron then the Heat do with LeBron.

Just me personally - but I'd rather roll the dice with Kyrie/Top 3 pick/Waiters/Thompson/Zeller then I would with Wade/Bosh/Allen/Chalmers/League Minimum players.

Don't forget the Heat don't have 1st rounders (even if they would be really late ones) - they are the Cavs picks in 2013 and 2014 (and we can swap with LA in 2013 - the Heat don't have a pick at all - the Lakers would get the Heat pick if the Heat have a better record)

But I suppose that's what makes it interesting. Is the Miami team really a "Big 3" going forward if the Cavs can offer a better "#2" teammate then Miami can? And I firmly believe Kyrie will be better then Wade by next year if he isn't already.
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Let's see if Lebron would go back to Cavs when he is 37 or something. Then he would sign a 3 years contract; win the NBA championship; get the all time scoring title; and retire.
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I could see it as a possibility that he would go back to Cleveland. It would be interesting to see how he would contribute to the young team into his 30's.
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Obviously the X Factor in this whole post is Kyrie Irving. I don't think anyone, Cavs fans included, thought he'd be this good.

Imagine if the Cavs had taken Derrick Williams - then this whole thread would be at like a 1% chance of happening.

But with Kyrie being a Top 5-10 level player - and the way the Cavs have handled acquiring picks - and the fact that they'll have "one more" Top 5 pick before LeBron can opt out is like a perfect storm. One more awful year (and by awful you can see this team getting better and better they are just so young) is a good thing. We want one more awful year. One more Top 5 pick...if the Cavs get the #1 overall pick...

Instead of a bunch of old guys - LeBron would be looking at Kyrie Irving along with the #4 pick in Thompson, the #4 pick in Waiters, and the #1 pick - not to mention at least 4 additional 1st rounders going forward (Sacramento, Memphis, Lakers, Heat) - so that's like 8 first rounders if you include the Cavs own picks over the next 3 seasons the Cavs can add (or trade as obviously they can't add that many young guys)

Does it mean Waiters won't bust? Of course not. Does it mean Thompson ever develops an offensive game? Of course not.

But with Kyrie running the show - it opens up an entire world of options that the Cavs couldn't have necessarily seen when they got that #1 pick.
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I read that earlier. Good find.

It was all over twitter this morning (so we all know it has to be true) that LeBron's agent is actually pushing really hard for a return to Cleveland.

I really think it's the Kyrie factor. LeBron has never played with a legit PG - Wade was obviously good, but similar, in ways to LeBron. LeBron & Kyrie would just be nasty.

Find a pure shooter for the SG spot (maybe replace my James McAdoo Top 20 pick above with the best shooter) and maybe have Waiters come off the bench as James Harden type scorer.
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can lebron play with a 'real' point guard? i don't know if his style right now fits. Maybe in a couple years though that will change.
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