2012-13 Panini Basketball

[Frankp2311]

Anyone busting this next week., I have 4 cases coming myself and am pretty excited. It is a fun break and cheap which I like.

[Hallco]

I think I am going to order a box tonight! Cheap enough and I actually like the design a lot.

[MavsRChamps]

I think it has a lot of potential ... Even though the Dual / Triple Autos are Rare, that is exactly why this product will be fun to bust - Unlike most of Panini's products (Outside Prizm / Certified) where the best card you could pull is a Rookie Auto worth $200, this product actually has some Huge Chase cards !!!

[jj2]

Originally Posted by MavsRChamps

I think it has a lot of potential ... Even though the Dual / Triple Autos are Rare, that is exactly why this product will be fun to bust - Unlike most of Panini's products (Outside Prizm / Certified) where the best card you could pull is a Rookie Auto worth $200, this product actually has some Huge Chase cards !!!

I think having more chase cards is an area Panini could improve in. For example, I think this year's TT could have been a lot better if they had just inserted a few logomen or cuts for people to chase.

[bmuelle21]

I'm breaking my usual 4 cases of this product. I fully expect this to be a 10x better break then elite (profit wise). Was considering doubling my order but I have too much elite left to sell.

[nera20]

this actually looks like a really nice set

[dasiegel]

Originally Posted by bmuelle21

I'm breaking my usual 4 cases of this product. I fully expect this to be a 10x better break then elite (profit wise). Was considering doubling my order but I have too much elite left to sell.

4 Cases of this stuff:/ You're making me have a panic attack with the thought of putting all the sets together for resell! Incidentally this is a lower end product with some chasers, I don't think it would be wise to bust so much, but what do I know.

[tristan20]

Originally Posted by bmuelle21

I'm breaking my usual 4 cases of this product. I fully expect this to be a 10x better break then elite (profit wise). Was considering doubling my order but I have too much elite left to sell.

Hope you lube up

[bmuelle21]

Originally Posted by dasiegel

4 Cases of this stuff:/ You're making me have a panic attack with the thought of putting all the sets together for resell! Incidentally this is a lower end product with some chasers, I don't think it would be wise to bust so much, but what do I know.

Lower end products can actually be the easiest to make money off of. You aren't having to rely as much on hits. I just finished a 10 case break of 2013 Topps Series 1 so I'm fine with sorting. Fortunately, I'm not going to have to sort 25,000+ cards, lol

I actually stay away from high end products that are basically hit based. I would never touch timeless treasures, gold standard, absolute, or even preferred. National treasures is fine because I end up flipping the cases since I can get a decent size allocation from my distributor.

Originally Posted by tristan20

Hope you lube up

why? I've made money with every other basketball product i've broke except possibly elite. I get my stuff from a distributor rather then having to pay retail which makes it easier to turn a profit.

[bmuelle21]

Originally Posted by tristan20

Hope you lube up

plus I !already have some left over from elite

[jj2]

Originally Posted by bmuelle21

why? I've made money with every other basketball product i've broke except possibly elite. I get my stuff from a distributor rather then having to pay retail which makes it easier to turn a profit.

Some people on here are convinced that you can't make any money breaking Panini products despite being told you can by people who actually do.

[dasiegel]

[QUOTE=bmuelle21;4380306]Lower end products can actually be the easiest to make money off of. You aren't having to rely as much on hits. I just finished a 10 case break of 2013 Topps Series 1 so I'm fine with sorting. Fortunately, I'm not going to have to sort 25,000+ cards, lol

I actually stay away from high end products that are basically hit based. I would never touch timeless treasures, gold standard, absolute, or even preferred. National treasures is fine because I end up flipping the cases since I can get a decent size allocation from my distributor.

I understand, my post was basically saying I hate what it takes in order to make money off the low end stuff. I also put a value on the time it takes to sort and also while I flip regularly and also get stuff at distributors prices most of the time, its still a hobby for me and that is no fun for me personally... my biggest pet peeve is when I do a few boxes or even a case and I make like $30-40 bucks and spent hours sorting and shipping.

I do know that on a good case you can do really well, I do know that I do well often on Panini and I wouldn't touch any of the boxes you named as a profit mechanism either!!!

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by bmuelle21

Lower end products can actually be the easiest to make money off of. You aren't having to rely as much on hits. I just finished a 10 case break of 2013 Topps Series 1 so I'm fine with sorting. Fortunately, I'm not going to have to sort 25,000+ cards, lol

I actually stay away from high end products that are basically hit based. I would never touch timeless treasures, gold standard, absolute, or even preferred. National treasures is fine because I end up flipping the cases since I can get a decent size allocation from my distributor.



why? I've made money with every other basketball product i've broke except possibly elite. I get my stuff from a distributor rather then having to pay retail which makes it easier to turn a profit.

Why is elite the one product your not profiting from? What in your opinion did they do wrong there?

[bmuelle21]

Originally Posted by jj2

Some people on here are convinced that you can't make any money breaking Panini products despite being told you can by people who actually do.

I understand, he is right in a couple of ways. If you break at retail pricing you are going to lose money unless you get lucky on a case and hit a huge card. Also, if you bust every Panini product that get's released you will get ran over, even if you buy at distributor pricing.

[QUOTE=dasiegel;4382377]

Originally Posted by bmuelle21

Lower end products can actually be the easiest to make money off of. You aren't having to rely as much on hits. I just finished a 10 case break of 2013 Topps Series 1 so I'm fine with sorting. Fortunately, I'm not going to have to sort 25,000+ cards, lol

I actually stay away from high end products that are basically hit based. I would never touch timeless treasures, gold standard, absolute, or even preferred. National treasures is fine because I end up flipping the cases since I can get a decent size allocation from my distributor.

I understand, my post was basically saying I hate what it takes in order to make money off the low end stuff. I also put a value on the time it takes to sort and also while I flip regularly and also get stuff at distributors prices most of the time, its still a hobby for me and that is no fun for me personally... my biggest pet peeve is when I do a few boxes or even a case and I make like $30-40 bucks and spent hours sorting and shipping.

I do know that on a good case you can do really well, I do know that I do well often on Panini and I wouldn't touch any of the boxes you named as a profit mechanism either!!!

I get you completely. The time that goes into a break can be ridiculous. Fortunately I have a few advantages that other breakers don't have. First, I'm in college so I have a LOT more time then someone that has a full time job. Second, I have a LOT of free help from friends, etc so it helps get things done quicker. All I have to do is order a couple of pizzas and some beer and my friends are happy, lol. Third, after doing this for awhile now I can do things pretty quickly. I guess you can say I have this method that helps cut down on time drastically.

Where people go wrong is when they jump into this and they don't really realize all the work that goes into this, and how much time sorting, shipping, and listing take. They basically get all pumped for opening multiple cases of a product (who would't lol) and then when they have everything open they have an "o #@#@#@#@" moment because they see a mountain of cards in front of them. Now I have done a couple of breaks where I had no help and although I got it done that SUCKS (mainly the sorting). I can tell you one thing, I would NEVER do this in place of a full time job. Too much volatility.

Unlike most people that tend to sell common base, rookies, or inserts in lots I like to break everything up to get the most out of it. It does take a lot longer to sell everything but it also helps the bottom line in the long run.

Originally Posted by Shaun

Why is elite the one product your not profiting from? What in your opinion did they do wrong there?

The problem with Elite is that although it has a TON of content and different parallels people just aren't paying a premium price for the /99 and under cards. The golds that are in this /24 and under just aren't getting high prices. Don't get me wrong, people are buying this stuff up on eBay but the problem is they are paying prices as if this was a $80-$100 MAPP product not $120.

Also, I understand that top rookies need to be SP'ed but it seems in Elite that I'm getting 2x more no name auto's then I was getting in any other product. Elite has a ton of vet auto's but the problem is a lot of those auto's are from guys like Nick Collison or other similar players that don't sell well.

Like, don't get me wrong there is a ton of content in this product but it's almost like there is too much of everything. Most people aren't going to pay a high price on a gold /24 when they can get the same player in a different insert/parallel numbered to /66 or some other similar number. The reason Prizm worked was one the hype surrounding it, and the lack of chrome in the basketball market but I think it was the fact that they didn't load the product up with numbered parallels. The essentially had no numbered refractors and then the gold /10. People recognized that, and mixed in with the hype around the product went nuts. You had everybody bidding on the golds because there simply weren't other options to bid on.

[nateadams2]

If anyone pulls melo cards (even the base) hit me up. Interested in buying!!!!!!!!

[pham504]

What product is ? 2012-13 panini ?? Basketball

[crazymj]

My heart is saying no but my body is saying lets go

[Frankp2311]

Originally Posted by pham504

What product is ? 2012-13 panini ?? Basketball

What is your question? Thats the name.

[RandysHobby]

any one have a checklist

[S.Gallagherfan6]

would of got a case but they went from saying the autos were on card, and was looking forward to the red ink. but they showed the pics and there all stickers.

[eddiejr]

Checklist is live on their website if anyone is interested. After you select Panini, select Base.
Panini America, Inc.

[buckeyeforlife]

wow, only 90 rookie autos in the checklist..sweet!
way better than the normal 100 rookie auto checklist
good luck to all you case brweakers.

[paul06901]

Originally Posted by S.Gallagherfan6

would of got a case but they went from saying the autos were on card, and was looking forward to the red ink. but they showed the pics and there all stickers.

Yeah I don't get this either? They said on-card rookie autos ... and red ink SP's? Is that what the 'Rated Rookie" autos will be? They look to have a print run of only 50. Would 10 of those be red ink and all on-card?
I thought the previews only showed the base card autos.

[Frankp2311]

Originally Posted by buckeyeforlife

wow, only 90 rookie autos in the checklist..sweet!
way better than the normal 100 rookie auto checklist
good luck to all you case brweakers.

Only 60 RC autos. The rated rookie has 85 but all SP. Not bad at all.

[Hallco]

Is there going to be anything in retail that isn't available in Hobby(like Green Prizm)?