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Old 03-31-2013, 05:29 PM   #51 (permalink)
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While you might be right about him going down as that, it would certainly be a shame.

I feel Kobe is incredibly underrated when it comes to passing
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He is absolutely incredible at driving, drawing a second defender, going up in the air and when the defender commits, fining an open cutter. He has incredible vision in crowds like that.

If he only goes down as a volume shooter that would be a bit of a shame
As underrated as his passing may be at times you can't classify him with the other greats because he has been a scorer for almost all his career. Only this season is he becoming a playmaker all around so to say.
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Hands down?
Nice one.... completely subjective and most people would disagree......
Hands down. He's has way more accomplishments and accolades than any other player they could name. Bill Russell? Wilt Chamberlin? Kareem? Now I did have someone once tell me Kareem was the 2nd best ever. The thing is, Kobe can do it in so many ways where those guys were more less just back to basket type players. If you look deeper in the numbers Kobe has actually hit 1,000 more 3s than MJ did.
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Old 03-31-2013, 05:37 PM   #53 (permalink)
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In a cutthroat one on one tournament? Agreed. Starting a team from scratch and trusting him to take you all the way? No.
........He's been part of 5 NBA Championship teams bud. I liked the use of cutthroat there though lol
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Hands down. He's has way more accomplishments and accolades than any other player they could name. Bill Russell? Wilt Chamberlin? Kareem? Now I did have someone once tell me Kareem was the 2nd best ever. The thing is, Kobe can do it in so many ways where those guys were more less just back to basket type players. If you look deeper in the numbers Kobe has actually hit 1,000 more 3s than MJ did.
Hands down seems a little far fetched. I can see a n argument for Kobe at second best all time...have to see where his career needs. To say he is hands down better than Russell,Wilt, or Kareem is kinda dispatching th older guys...

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As underrated as his passing may be at times you can't classify him with the other greats because he has been a scorer for almost all his career. Only this season is he becoming a playmaker all around so to say.
Alrighty, He must have gotten a TON of assists this season! I think he's 32nd or 33rd all time in assists.
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Alrighty, He must have gotten a TON of assists this season! I think he's 32nd or 33rd all time in assists.
You aren't comprehending what I am typing.

No where did I say Kobe doesn't have high career assist numbers.
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Hands down. He's has way more accomplishments and accolades than any other player they could name. Bill Russell? Wilt Chamberlin? Kareem? Now I did have someone once tell me Kareem was the 2nd best ever. The thing is, Kobe can do it in so many ways where those guys were more less just back to basket type players. If you look deeper in the numbers Kobe has actually hit 1,000 more 3s than MJ did.
Again, completely subjective and most people would disagree...

Do a poll - is Kobe the 2nd best player of all time? The results would be resoundingly against, I'm sure.
You're entitled to your opinion, but to say "hands down" is far too strong because you're stating it as fact then, not just opinion. And it's not a fact.
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You aren't comprehending what I am typing.

No where did I say Kobe doesn't have high career assist numbers.
You were talking about how this is the only season he's been a playmaker.

Gotta leave it to the resident troll to go into a Kobe milestone thread and start trolling! I forget how cute you are sometimes murrkey
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You were talking about how this is the only season he's been a playmaker.

Gotta leave it to the resident troll to go into a Kobe milestone thread and start trolling! I forget how cute you are sometimes murrkey
That's not what I said.
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Kobe was not a 'playmaker' the majority of his career. Does that mean at times he didn't play like one. No.

This season Kobe has changed his game into being a 'playmaker' the majority of the time. This season is very different then the rest of his career.

In simple terms. Kobe has been a scorer the majority of his career until this season.
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He will pass Jordan. Not Mailman.
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This season he is averaging the most assists and rebounds among shooting guards

In 2011 he was second in assists and 2nd in rebounds among shooting guards

In 2010 he 3rd in assists and 3rd in rebounds among shooting guards

In 2009 he was 3rd in assists and 2nd in rebounds among shooting guards

In 2008 he was 5th in assists and 4th in rebounds among shooting guards

In 2007 he was 5th in assists and 2nd in rebounds among shooting guards

In 2006 he was 4th in assists and 2nd in rebounds among shooting guards

The fact is, when it comes to shooting guards there hasn't been a better playmaker than Kobe in a long time
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last time i checked him scoring 81 proved he was an amazing scorer.

playmaker in this conversation equates to being an assist man and guy who gets his team involved in multiple ways.

the game he scored 81 is not a good example game.

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This season he is averaging the most assists and rebounds among shooting guards

In 2011 he was second in assists and 2nd in rebounds among shooting guards

In 2010 he 3rd in assists and 3rd in rebounds among shooting guards

In 2009 he was 3rd in assists and 2nd in rebounds among shooting guards

In 2008 he was 5th in assists and 4th in rebounds among shooting guards

In 2007 he was 5th in assists and 2nd in rebounds among shooting guards

In 2006 he was 4th in assists and 2nd in rebounds among shooting guards

The fact is, when it comes to shooting guards there hasn't been a better playmaker than Kobe in a long time
this year is different then the others no?
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last time i checked him scoring 81 proved he was an amazing scorer.

playmaker in this conversation equates to being an assist man and guy who gets his team involved in multiple ways.

the game he scored 81 is not a good example game.
Since when is scoring/creating your own play/running the triangle offense to score isn't a play?
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Since when is scoring/creating your own play/running the triangle offense to score isn't a play?
because thats not what i am talking about.

i am using 'playmaking' meaning passing, running the offense and getting the involvement of teammates in the game.
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"It's trying to evolve and figured out what we need as a ballclub," Bryant said of his new style. "Instead of me being a finisher, I'm just really facilitating and drawing the defense in and making plays. I game-planned for it, and it seems to be working."

I don't need to tell him. He's already addressed it this year.

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this year is different then the others no?
Nope.

Over the past 6 years he's been in the top 5 in both categories.

This year he's first in both, last season he was 2nd in both. I don't think that proves a change.

If someone averaged 27 points last season and is averaging 28 points this season, does that mean they changed offensively?
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Nope.

Over the past 6 years he's been in the top 5 in both categories.

This year he's first in both, last season he was 2nd in both. I don't think that proves a change.

If someone averaged 27 points last season and is averaging 28 points this season, does that mean they changed offensively?
You are ignoring context.

Kobe is easily top 3 sg overall EVER.

Being 5 th in assists out of only sg in a given year is not that remarkable. Being 1st is a lot different then 5th when discussing one of the 10 greatest players ever.
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You are ignoring context.

Kobe is easily top 3 sg overall EVER.

Being 5 th in assists out of only sg in a given year is not that remarkable. Being 1st is a lot different then 5th when discussing one of the 10 greatest players ever.
Not really, considering this season he's 1st among shooting guards with 5.9 and in 04-05 he was 3rd while averaging 6.0 assists.

I'm just saying discounting Kobe as a playmaker is a mistake.

In 2 seasons with the Lakers, Smush Parker averaged 11.5 and 11.1 ppg on 45% and 44% shooting.

In two seasons AFTER the Lakers he averaged 6.4 and 4.8 ppg on 36% and 32% shooting.

He is now out of the league.

How did Lamar Odom do after the Lakers?

Chris Mihm had the best season of his career playing with Kobe.

Kobe makes players better.
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Not really, considering this season he's 1st among shooting guards with 5.9 and in 04-05 he was 3rd while averaging 6.0 assists.

I'm just saying discounting Kobe as a playmaker is a mistake.

In 2 seasons with the Lakers, Smush Parker averaged 11.5 and 11.1 ppg on 45% and 44% shooting.

In two seasons AFTER the Lakers he averaged 6.4 and 4.8 ppg on 36% and 32% shooting.

He is now out of the league.

How did Lamar Odom do after the Lakers?

Chris Mihm had the best season of his career playing with Kobe.

Kobe makes players better.
Of course Kobe makes players better. Hes one the 10 greatest players ever.

Fact is Kobe will be known as a elite scorer - not a team playmaker. There's a reason for that.
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Kobe is great. Wilt is great. Jordan is great. No one is wrong and everyone is right. Yeah Baby, Chive On.
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Of course Kobe makes players better. Hes one the 10 greatest players ever.

Fact is Kobe will be known as a elite scorer - not a team playmaker. There's a reason for that.
Disagree.

Kobe will be known as one of the greatest offensive players of all time along with being a great leader, playmaker and defender.

Sorry if that makes you miserable
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