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Old 04-03-2013, 11:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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1997 98 Stadium Club Kobe Bryant Karl Malone Co Signers Test Auto Lakers RARE La | eBay


Seller seems to have a lot of unsigned 1/1 superfractors. Guessing must have a topps backdoor connection of some sort?
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Won't this just end up having someone put fake signatures on it?
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Won't this just end up having someone put fake signatures on it?
Yes, almost definitely. Scary thought since this even has the Autograph stamp on it.
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These are bad news, the cosigners will be so easy to fake, and the supers almost make me sick. YIKES
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These are bad news, the cosigners will be so easy to fake, and the supers almost make me sick. YIKES
You can put a sticker from a $1 card to those supers
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with these. The auction states test cards. Whats the issue?
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with these. The auction states test cards. Whats the issue?
The issue is that with the amount of scammers around these days, someone is likely to buy them, put fake signatures on them, and then sell them off as legit.
How is that hard to see?
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The issue is that with the amount of scammers around these days, someone is likely to buy them, put fake signatures on them, and then sell them off as legit.
How is that hard to see?
Hypocrisy at its best. You cant control what other people do.

The seller is stating its a test. If someone else decides to pull a stunt, thats up to them. The seller has done his part.

Stop replying to my post. Its evident that the business is full of scams. Just a shame you pick and choose which ones to crucify while ignore the rest.

Like you with other scams, I see nothing wrong with this seller selling "LEGIT TEST" proofs. He has done his part in stating they are test cards.
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Hypocrisy at its best. You cant control what other people do.

The seller is stating its a test. If someone else decides to pull a stunt, thats up to them. The seller has done his part.

Stop replying to my post. Its evident that the business is full of scams. Just a shame you pick and choose which ones to crucify while ignore the rest.

Like you with other scams, I see nothing wrong with this seller selling "LEGIT TEST" proofs. He has done his part in stating they are test cards.
No, but selling things like this clearly helps them get out into the market and aids scammers. You seemed to not be able to understand this, and when I point it out you rage at me?
It is irresponsible to sell these.

It's like someone selling a gun to a child, and because it's clearly stated as a gun they shouldn't be accountable for what the child does with it??
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No, but selling things like this clearly helps them get out into the market and aids scammers. You seemed to not be able to understand this, and when I point it out you rage at me?
It is irresponsible to sell these.

It's like someone selling a gun to a child, and because it's clearly stated as a gun they shouldn't be accountable for what the child does with it??
Didnt you sell a fake patch card to someone? Even after knowing it was fake? How is this different?

You dont get it do you. The seller is doing his part by stating it as a test. What happens there after is not his doing. Selling guns to a minor is against the law. Selling a Test sheet on ebay is not against any law that I know.
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Didnt you sell a fake patch card to someone? Even after knowing it was fake? How is this different?
Didn't you try to acquire said fake patch card?

I sold it to him for a massive loss on the promise that he wouldn't sell it, because he only wanted it for the auto. That's how it's different, you bitter fool.
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Didn't you try to acquire said fake patch card?

I sold it to him for a massive loss on the promise that he wouldn't sell it, because he only wanted it for the auto. That's how it's different, you bitter fool.
Buying it is totally different than selling it KNOWINGLY that it is fake. Do you even know what I would have done with it?
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Buying it is totally different than selling it KNOWINGLY that it is fake. Do you even know what I would have done with it?
How could I? Did you tell me?

Hmm, choices - sell to someone clearly with personal issues, or sell to someone who gave me a promise. Pretty easy decision there. Looks like both would have been the wrong one though...
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How could I? Did you tell me?

Hmm, choices - sell to someone clearly with personal issues, or sell to someone who gave me a promise. Pretty easy decision there. Looks like both would have been the wrong one though...
People still sell to you eventhough you are major personal issues. I dont get your point.

This guy is selling a test proof, just like you sold a fake patch. See nothing wrong with it !! He is stating its a proof.
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seller didnt do anything wrong.
It is scary for us collectors to know that there are "Blank" auto cards lying around.... someone can fake auto it and lots of us wont even know it...

There are some Exquisites cards that was Non numbered too.... do you guys know anything about those?
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seller didnt do anything wrong.
It is scary for us collectors to know that there are "Blank" auto cards lying around.... someone can fake auto it and lots of us wont even know it...

There are some Exquisites cards that was Non numbered too.... do you guys know anything about those?
The exquisite patch autos with no numbering were replacements that were backdoored from UD. People buy and sell them.

The seller here is stating it to be a "proof" card. He is doing his part. What happens from there on in, is not his concern. I used to fight this fight, but since the loopholes have opened up for double standards, I no long care.

I see nothing wrong with stating the truth and selling the card. We cannot control what other people "MIGHT" do. Just like what people say around here... "Buyer beware"
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I see nothing wrong with stating the truth and selling the card. We cannot control what other people "MIGHT" do. Just like what people say around here... "Buyer beware"

i'm inclined to agree. for a bryant or malone collector this would be a nice piece with actual value and scarcity, and it is being sold honestly and with (presumably) honest intentions.

unfortunately we just live in a world where some people buy cold medicine for colds and some buy it to make meth.
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People still sell to you eventhough you are major personal issues. I dont get your point.

This guy is selling a test proof, just like you sold a fake patch. See nothing wrong with it !! He is stating its a proof.
"People still sell to you eventhough you are major personal issues." - um, what?

Firstly, I hardly buy anything anymore. Secondly, huh? Use English.

The guy is selling a card that without a shadow of a doubt, will end up with fake sigs. Just like those Topps ones (McDonalds or photoshoot, can't remember) that stated autograph but didn't have one on them. He shouldn't be allowed to sell these on ebay, just like those other Topps ones, because of things like moral obligations - letting these out into the hobby via the most worldwide method possible. Ebay is wrong for letting him sell them, but they won't notice and won't care. Everything is about $$ these days, morals be damned.
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"People still sell to you eventhough you are major personal issues." - um, what?

Firstly, I hardly buy anything anymore. Secondly, huh? Use English.

The guy is selling a card that without a shadow of a doubt, will end up with fake sigs. Just like those Topps ones (McDonalds or photoshoot, can't remember) that stated autograph but didn't have one on them. He shouldn't be allowed to sell these on ebay, just like those other Topps ones, because of things like moral obligations - letting these out into the hobby via the most worldwide method possible. Ebay is wrong for letting him sell them, but they won't notice and won't care. Everything is about $$ these days, morals be damned.
You really expect ebay to check every single auction listed there? Seriously?
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You really expect ebay to check every single auction listed there? Seriously?
I don't expect them to do anything, no.
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The guy is selling a card that without a shadow of a doubt, will end up with fake sigs. Just like those Topps ones (McDonalds or photoshoot, can't remember) that stated autograph but didn't have one on them. He shouldn't be allowed to sell these on ebay, just like those other Topps ones, because of things like moral obligations - letting these out into the hobby via the most worldwide method possible. Ebay is wrong for letting him sell them, but they won't notice and won't care. Everything is about $$ these days, morals be damned.
I have no dog in this fight, but what about the Topps Football Tallboys from this year (I think it's Chrome) where it states on the back that "the auto on the front of this card is guaranteed by Topps. It was an error on Topps' part that the base version of those cards had that on them.....so using your logic, should no one ever be able to sell those cards too??

Just curious.
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I have no dog in this fight, but what about the Topps Football Tallboys from this year (I think it's Chrome) where it states on the back that "the auto on the front of this card is guaranteed by Topps. It was an error on Topps' part that the base version of those cards had that on them.....so using your logic, should no one ever be able to sell those cards too??

Just curious.
In an ideal world they should be recalled, or never released.
Things which can be manipulated to be passed off as real when they are not, should not be allowed to be sold IMO.
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In an ideal world they should be recalled, or never released.
Things which can be manipulated to be passed off as real when they are not, should not be allowed to be sold IMO.
I'm sorry, but "ideal world" is making me laugh.
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Bump to the top. Check these out:

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Is it possible that these were the proof cards?
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