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Old 04-28-2013, 01:50 AM   #326 (permalink)
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The thing is it seems to keep going over your head , it's not about people busting out of BGS and selling it is about Busting knowing it was an 8 and selling raw to avoid the 8 grade hoping to get more and not disclosing it was an 8.

Very simple I do not get why you are twisting so hard .

Is that a practise you maybe use and your defending ?
I've said multiple times that I've never done it. I've also stated that I would rather sell an 8.5 to avoid any type of item not as described case. But as a buyer, I have no issue with it because I am capable of looking at quality scans and making a decision on my own. Please read the entire thread before making accusations.
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:58 AM   #327 (permalink)
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The thing is it seems to keep going over your head , it's not about people busting out of BGS and selling it is about Busting knowing it was an 8 and selling raw to avoid the 8 grade hoping to get more and not disclosing it was an 8.

Very simple I do not get why you are twisting so hard .

Is that a practise you maybe use and your defending ?
Just curious, whats wrong with the seller listing a cracked out BGS 8 as NM-MT. That is the exact same grade that beckett gave it. If buyers want to take a chance that its better than an 8, that's their choice. But if he has NM-MT and quality scans, there is no issue IMO. Most people who want graded cards wants 9s and 9.5s. People who want raw typically don't want to crack out a BGS 8. So you have a very limited buyer pool with a BGS 8. So cracking it out opens up the pool of buyers to the raw collectors, which outnumbers the BGS 8 collectors. An accurate description plus quality pics should be sufficient.
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Old 04-28-2013, 03:12 AM   #328 (permalink)
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so the card was graded an 8.5 near mint/mint+ and he described it as being near mint which is a 7 on the scale. im not sure how that is deceitful and deserves punishment? the card was in better condition then what he stated. im just shocked someone would pay that much for a card when the picture is only a close up and does not show the edges or corners.
Because it's a card I would pay $1,000 for so I was happy to take the risk.
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Old 04-28-2013, 03:20 AM   #329 (permalink)
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Old 04-28-2013, 08:20 AM   #330 (permalink)
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The only thing that matters is the reason why yet bust.

You can skip around it all you want but the reason is to make more money by trying to trick the buyer.

That's sketchy.
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Old 04-28-2013, 11:47 AM   #331 (permalink)
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Agreed,I just witnessed a member who resides here and is quite judgemental of others (will not disclose names) buy a card last week on EBAY now it is busted and is now back on Ebay for sale without any mention of the cards previous grade.This member has a bad history of this method and was banned from another forum.I guess he learned nothing and a few extra bucks is worth being dishonest
I'll disclose the name.

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And he was banned for that and a number of other moral offenses, including repeated attempts to extort resident supercollectors.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:07 PM   #332 (permalink)
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I'll disclose the name.

Paul

And he was banned for that and a number of other moral offenses, including repeated attempts to extort resident supercollectors.
Oh boy, it was only a matter of time before the biggest troll of internet card message boards arrived!



I'm not going to even argue your false points. Banned for extorting resident supercollectors?!

BAHAHAHA ... get real bro!

Because people were mad I'd buy a card cheap and re-list/sell for a profit? YOU DO THE SAME THING! And there's about, oh, 500 THOUSAND other people out there who do the same thing! But you're right, that's a just, bannable offense!!!

Does it really matter what HobbyKings thinks is actually moral?! Does anyone respect that site? lol .... (3) of the most active members in the bkb section here are banned on Hobby Kings.


why are you even here?! I'm sure about 100% of your 198 feedbacks here are from cards you bought here and flipped to people for a profit! LOL!!!



Ughh, trolling at it's finest!!!
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:10 PM   #333 (permalink)
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I'll disclose the name.

Paul

And he was banned for that and a number of other moral offenses, including repeated attempts to extort resident supercollectors.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:13 PM   #334 (permalink)
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"This message is hidden because penny1fan's post is based off of misconceptions and lies, to which you do not have to defend yourself against anymore."



Sorry Aaron, I have my privacy settings set to hide numbskull posts .... looks like it's working just fine!
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:21 PM   #335 (permalink)
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This is my final post in this thread.

Looks like 76%+ wins the vote here.


It's unfortunate that the troll that started this thread, and the hypocritical flipper-hater troll had to make appearances ... otherwise this would have been a nice, smooth discussion thread!

I've stated my case relevant to the thread, I guess we see where the majority stands!

Breaking cards out of graded cases is OK. You are selling the card as RAW. If you show high-res pictures displaying the card in it's exact condition, there is no problems with selling this way. Of course there are some people who don't agree it's OK to do, however I'm sure those people have bought cards from eBay in the past that had been broken out of a graded case at one point. It's one thing if a seller crops scans, takes deceiving pictures, or neglects to disclose serious, conditional information. Grading is subjective, a grade can fluctuate from grader to grader, day-to-day, etc. One thing is always for sure though, if a card is sold in it's raw form, that is what the buyer is paying for and will receive.
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:23 PM   #336 (permalink)
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And he was banned for that and a number of other moral offenses, including repeated attempts to extort resident supercollectors.
It would be nice if HK would stop hiding the culprits on their site. How about outing some of your mods for supporting filthy habits. Like accepting donations through the guise of keeping the site up, but re directing that money to personal wax breaks then banning members who call them out for no transparency on where money goes when donated?

I dont know how a site full of sketch members version of why people get banned can hold water when they are criminals themselves?
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:26 PM   #337 (permalink)
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This is my final post in this thread.

Looks like 76%+ wins the vote here.


It's unfortunate that the troll that started this thread, and the hypocritical flipper-hater troll had to make appearances ... otherwise this would have been a nice, smooth discussion thread!

I've stated my case relevant to the thread, I guess we see where the majority stands!

Breaking cards out of graded cases is OK. You are selling the card as RAW. If you show high-res pictures displaying the card in it's exact condition, there is no problems with selling this way. Of course there are some people who don't agree it's OK to do, however I'm sure those people have bought cards from eBay in the past that had been broken out of a graded case at one point. It's one thing if a seller crops scans, takes deceiving pictures, or neglects to disclose serious, conditional information. Grading is subjective, a grade can fluctuate from grader to grader, day-to-day, etc. One thing is always for sure though, if a card is sold in it's raw form, that is what the buyer is paying for and will receive.

I have never busted out to sell .

But i have a question for you Paul , Why do you not disclose the cards previous grade prior to busting out ??
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Old 04-28-2013, 12:42 PM   #338 (permalink)
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I have never busted out to sell .

But i have a question for you Paul , Why do you not disclose the cards previous grade prior to busting out ??
That would scare bidders away and drive his prices down,Money over morals FTW!

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Old 04-28-2013, 01:15 PM   #339 (permalink)
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This is my final post in this thread.

Looks like 76%+ wins the vote here.


It's unfortunate that the troll that started this thread, and the hypocritical flipper-hater troll had to make appearances ... otherwise this would have been a nice, smooth discussion thread!

I've stated my case relevant to the thread, I guess we see where the majority stands!

Breaking cards out of graded cases is OK. You are selling the card as RAW. If you show high-res pictures displaying the card in it's exact condition, there is no problems with selling this way. Of course there are some people who don't agree it's OK to do, however I'm sure those people have bought cards from eBay in the past that had been broken out of a graded case at one point. It's one thing if a seller crops scans, takes deceiving pictures, or neglects to disclose serious, conditional information. Grading is subjective, a grade can fluctuate from grader to grader, day-to-day, etc. One thing is always for sure though, if a card is sold in it's raw form, that is what the buyer is paying for and will receive.
Why do you bust cards out? Whats the reason?
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Old 04-28-2013, 01:25 PM   #340 (permalink)
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I don't know how to multi-quote threads. So here was what I posted, and then your response:

"Maybe he is just an honest seller who felt the card did not deserve to be in a BGS 8.5 holder. So he took it out of the holder and called it Near Mint instead of the overgrade of NM-MT+."

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Um... what?
I'm pretty sure that would be the first time in history that would have occurred...
OK. So just say your Wilt Chamberlain auto came back an 8.5 from beckett. After owning it for a few months, something comes up and you need money and have to sell the card. While looking it over 1 last time before selling, you notice that beckett missed the surface crease when grading the card.

You know that the card should not be an 8.5 due to the crease. Would you be an honest seller and tell people beckett made a mistake and overgraded the card, or would you just say sell it as a BGS 8.5?
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I don't know how to multi-quote threads. So here was what I posted, and then your response:

"Maybe he is just an honest seller who felt the card did not deserve to be in a BGS 8.5 holder. So he took it out of the holder and called it Near Mint instead of the overgrade of NM-MT+."



OK. So just say your Wilt Chamberlain auto came back an 8.5 from beckett. After owning it for a few months, something comes up and you need money and have to sell the card. While looking it over 1 last time before selling, you notice that beckett missed the surface crease when grading the card.

You know that the card should not be an 8.5 due to the crease. Would you be an honest seller and tell people beckett made a mistake and overgraded the card, or would you just say sell it as a BGS 8.5?
Why would that be my place to say? If a professional grader was paid to grade the card and they gave it that grade, why would I have any responsibility to 'bust it' for any potential buyer. I'd probably state "I have no idea how it got an 8.5 as there is a crease in it" but it would not be my obligation to bust it out. Maybe send it back to Beckett, but never to bust it myself.
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Funny he doesn't answer , Obviously I knew why already

I guess the others are right about him .
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Funny he doesn't answer , Obviously I knew why already

I guess the others are right about him .
Yeah he said (again) he was done posting in the thread .. I mean he already caught a case of the foot & mouth disease admitting that he purposly does it to deceive and dupe his buyers.He knows what he does and why he does it.He will run off and pretend this thread did not exist.
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I don't know how to multi-quote threads. So here was what I posted, and then your response:

"Maybe he is just an honest seller who felt the card did not deserve to be in a BGS 8.5 holder. So he took it out of the holder and called it Near Mint instead of the overgrade of NM-MT+."



OK. So just say your Wilt Chamberlain auto came back an 8.5 from beckett. After owning it for a few months, something comes up and you need money and have to sell the card. While looking it over 1 last time before selling, you notice that beckett missed the surface crease when grading the card.

You know that the card should not be an 8.5 due to the crease. Would you be an honest seller and tell people beckett made a mistake and overgraded the card, or would you just say sell it as a BGS 8.5?
Damn BGS, always missing those pesky surface creases!
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