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Old 05-23-2010, 08:32 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Those Gordon's probably look better with the sticker, nice cards
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Old 05-23-2010, 10:49 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I don't mind stickers at all. The card still has the player's Auto on it. Think about it like this, people hate redemptions, but with stickers it can help cut down on redemptions. Of course, not all the time, but just imagine they never used stickers. You would have numerous more redemptions.
Not true for all companies. I know of at least one product that's 100% on-card autos with zero redemptions. It can be done. Stickers suck, plain and simple. Any excuse as to why they are necessary is exactly that...an excuse.

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Plus, when cards have to be shipped numerous times to a player & then back to the company or from numerous players (for multi signed cards) & then back to the company, imagine how many times those cards could get lost or damaged. Everyone hates damaged cards, but wit having to ship all of these cards numerous times there will always been damage to these cards.
Just because you have on-card autos, doesn't mean the cards have to be damaged. It's called "quality control". Now, I know this word is barely in the vocabulary of some companies let alone in their business practices, but it does exist in other companies.

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And, my last point. If they have players sign many stickers, they can have a good supply of Auto's to use in many different products & for thos instances when it is an old time player, if he dies, they could still have a good supply of Auto's before they have to start using some of those god awful cuts used. So, stickers aren't all that bad. Either way, are you going to actually complain if you pulled a Michael Jordan sticker Auto when you could've pulled an on card Auto of some no name Rookie who averages 1 minute a game & last no more than 1 year in the league?
Stickers have brought the value of autographs down. They are too plentiful. They are the lazy man's way of making a profit, and they are hurting the industry. You might not see it right now, but you will most definitely see it in the future.

The time for sticker autos is fading quickly, and the cards containing them will only go down in value as a whole. Nearly everyone admits they would much rather have on-card autos. The card companies need to take the time and do it right. That's what the collectors want.

Hard to fit some of these autos on a sticker. Notice how good of shape the cards are still in? I would say Mint and Gem Mint cards with on-card autos are a nice addition to anyone's PC.
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Old 05-23-2010, 11:05 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Dr. Price doesn't run your average card company. If he every decides to put out an IPO, it'd probably be stickers galore with him, too.

p.s. when is someone going to start the Series D group break?
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Dr. Price doesn't run your average card company. If he every decides to put out an IPO, it'd probably be stickers galore with him, too.
So you're saying Dr. Price runs an above average card company...I like that!

If Sportkings was ever produced and sold as a major brand with 10,000 boxes or more, there's no way Dr. Price would include sticker autos in it. Series C had around 2500 boxes in it I believe. Series D will have around 9000 boxes in it, and there won't be a single sticker auto in it.
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So you're saying Dr. Price runs an above average card company...I like that!

If Sportkings was ever produced and sold as a major brand with 10,000 boxes or more, there's no way Dr. Price would include sticker autos in it. Series C had around 2500 boxes in it I believe. Series D will have around 9000 boxes in it, and there won't be a single sticker auto in it.
The difference is that Sportkings doesn't manage many different products, so they have more time to focus on each set. I like how they manage their on-card autos... much better than Panini putting stickers in $400 products.
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Old 05-23-2010, 02:35 PM   #31 (permalink)
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So you're saying Dr. Price runs an above average card company...I like that!

If Sportkings was ever produced and sold as a major brand with 10,000 boxes or more, there's no way Dr. Price would include sticker autos in it. Series C had around 2500 boxes in it I believe. Series D will have around 9000 boxes in it, and there won't be a single sticker auto in it.
I love ITG Products that Dr. Price puts out. I wish they still had a hockey license. But, just so you know, he does use sticker Auto's in products as well. I have opened Between the Pipes along with Heores & Prospects boxes & pulled sticker Auto's. So, there are times when stickers will come into play. I understand some people don't like them & that is their opinion, but if you pulled a Jordan/Kobe/Lebron Triple Auto 1/1 or something along those lines & they had sticker Auto's, would you just complain & throw it in the garbage?
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Old 05-26-2010, 01:31 PM   #32 (permalink)
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My own personal preference is that I would much rather have an on card auto than a sticker auto, but there are sets that a sticker auto works well.

I have always liked how UD uses a design that easily incorporates a sticker in SPX and Topps always did a nice job with Topps Chrome, and I think those cards look very good with a sticker auto.





I have always wondered why the card manufacturers don't just have the players sign jersey pieces or patches, instead of the stickers. There are hardly any sets that have on jersey and/or on patch autos and I think that would be a great alternative. UD always made Scripted Swatches in Exquisite, but there is no reason why other card companies can't do the same.

Have you seen some of the 09-10 Topps Letter autos? That could be why. The two CDRs I have, you can barely tell they are auto'd. But if you look at the Hot Prospects letter autos from 08-09, the CDRs are much better. Manufactured letters though. *shrug*
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Old 05-26-2010, 01:37 PM   #33 (permalink)
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And on the sticker/on-card debate:
I definitely prefer on-card autos. However, I am a fairly hardcore player collector. I'm not going to turn down a CDR auto because it's a sticker. But the sticker would play a role in how much I'm willing to pay, and whether I'm willing to go after multiples of the card. Right now, the autos that I pursue as many of as possible are all either on-card or on-swatch.
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Old 05-26-2010, 03:23 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Exactly what the previous poster stated, on-card auto's are so much more personable. I find stick autographs to be a major deterant and will pay much less for them. The majority of the autographs I purchase are on-card, unless the particular player doesn't have any issued or if I can pick it up for a really good price. There's just something about the fact that it's not handled by the player that really bugs me, sure it's their autograph on the sticker and it's authenticated, but in the end, it's still just a sticker that could be put on anything. I really like knowing the card was actually handled by the player, however brief it may have been, way more personal! Exquisite, Ultimate Collection and SP Authentic all the way for me baby... I buy Contenders only because they have historically been popular with collectors, but I really try to avoid them even now.

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Old 05-26-2010, 04:10 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Not necessarily in this thread, but I like how people are bashing Panini/Donruss for products having sticker autos, and how Upper Deck wasn't like that for their products. Umm Hello!!! Just about EVERY Upper Deck product except for Exquisite and SP Authentic were stickers. Hell, in recent years Ultimate began having sticker autographs. SP Signature Edition, ENTIRELY sticker autos, SPGU...Stickers. SPx....Stickers. I don't even need to get into any of the lower end UD products cause those were all Stickers as well with the exception of maybe one or two autographed insert sets.

A run down of Panini products this year....
Elite - stickers
Absolute - stickers
Panini Basketball - stickers for most part, with rare on-card rookie autos
Certified - stickers
Classics - mostly on-card autographs
Limited - stickers
Prestige - stickers
R&S - stickers
Studio - mix of stickers and on-card
Threads - mix of stickers and on-card
Timeless Treasures - stickers
Contenders - mix of stickers and on-card
Court Kings (not out yet) - looks like stickers
Crown Royale (not out yet) - looks mostly on-card
Hall of Fame (not out yet) - looks mostly on-card
National Treasures (not out yet) - mix of stickers and on-card


A run down of 08/09 Upper Deck Releases....
Fleer - stickers
Hot Prospects - stickers
Upper Deck - stickers
Exquisite - on-card
Black - mostly on-card with some stickers
Lineage - stickers
Premier - mostly on-card with some stickers
MVP - stickers
Radiance - mostly stickers with some on-card
SkyBox - stickers
SP Authentic - on-card
SP Threads - mostly stickers except for the rookie autos
SPx - stickers
Ultimate - on-card
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