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Old 09-05-2013, 06:19 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Durant/Kobe/Ralph Sampson is way better than MJ/Kobe/Lebron!

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Old 09-05-2013, 06:21 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Besides rookies, what are the best hit in flawless? In Black you got MJ/Lebron/Kobe; Flawless has Durant/Kobe/...?
... and a lot of todays superstars and big name legends.

well we just saw one preview, let's se what we will get.

as a collector it's not allways about jordan. because i do not think about $$$ when i'm holding my cards, i rather have a lakers legend auto patch then a jordan au. i know must of the modern collectors are all about the money!!
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:21 PM   #103 (permalink)
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To those saying this product is unique, you are SO SO very wrong! They look clean, safe, and nice... But this product does not scream different, it is not groundbreaking!
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:26 PM   #104 (permalink)
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To those saying this product is unique, you are SO SO very wrong! They look clean, safe, and nice... But this product does not scream different, it is not groundbreaking!
It's definitely unique in terms of design. I've never seen patch windows and autographs orientated in that manner before
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It's definitely unique in terms of design. I've never seen patch windows and autographs orientated in that manner before
I'll give you that one, those cards look amazing and unique... But that is (so far), the ONLY card in the preview that looks unique enough to set it apart from other sets. And one subset out of the entire product does not make the product itself unique.
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:29 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Tracy also confirmed in the blog post comments that EVERYTHING would be game-worn, rookies and all. Having game-worn material in rookie cards is significant. Is it $1,250 worth of significance? Who knows, it's noteworthy though. I generally ignore rookie cards in hockey products but if it was game-worn patches instead of photoshoot stuff I'd have to reconsider.
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Old 09-05-2013, 06:42 PM   #107 (permalink)
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I think I would truly pick up a box or case if these players were part of the checklist for the Jumbo Patch Autos:

Previous Signers for Panini
  • Penny Hardaway
    Shaquille O'Neal
    Dwayne Wade
    Karl Malone (Newly introduced to Panini)
    Gary Payton
    Scottie Pippen
    Grant Hill

and just for wishful thinking.. lol


Signed Cards for other companies
  • Shawn Kemp
    Chris Webber
    Reggie Miller
    Charles Barkley
    Patrick Ewing

Signed with Panini before, but have none this year
  • Derrick Rose
    Carmelo Anthony

Just a Dream of your UD Signers
  • Kevin Garnett
    LeBron James
    Michael Jordan

but damn, why is Jameer is this product?! $1250/box

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Old 09-05-2013, 07:02 PM   #108 (permalink)
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WoW ... FLAWLESS... STICKER-LESS

WillC - preferred is sticker-free
so this will be the second one....

Guys... this product will bring our hobby to the "NEW" level..... of price point

(remember 2003-04 Exquisites...$500 a box)
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:07 PM   #109 (permalink)
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Looks really good but the price? Whoa whoa whoa!
What is going on here!
Is it guarateed Diamond cards?
Im old school a pack is like 1.99
Now packs are on the $600, 750,

Then boom 1250
Gotta love deep pockets!
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:09 PM   #110 (permalink)
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Maybe they made a deal with Upper Deck to have Jordan and LeBron sign for 1 product like they made a deal with Leaf to get Lillard to sign for a few products. Imagine the demand for this product then. That is about the only thing that would justify this price.
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:12 PM   #111 (permalink)
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Looks really good but the price? Whoa whoa whoa!
What is going on here!
Is it guarateed Diamond cards?
Im old school a pack is like 1.99
Now packs are on the $600, 750,

Then boom 1250
Gotta love deep pockets!
That sounds different to:

"Absolutely Flawless!
National Treasures Move Over! This will be King!
Thank you for the historic year of releases Panini!
This will be the perfect end to a run of perfect products!
Thanks Tracy!"


Exactly how many Pinoy-named people are there that simply adore Panini??
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:21 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Wasn't UD Black cost more per-card than Exquisite?
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Great designs, Horrible price. But what did we expect? Another failed experiment.
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For the record, KG is no longer a UD exclusive.

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Just a Dream of your UD Signers
  • Kevin Garnett
    LeBron James
    Michael Jordan
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:51 PM   #115 (permalink)
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Great designs, Horrible price. But what did we expect? Another failed experiment.
Yup, for stuff like this
2008-09 UD Black #67 - Walter Sharpe JSY AU RC (Rookie Card)/99 - COMC

Of course, people will go absolutely crazy for this brand new "high end" flawless stuff, so there won't be any cards selling for that low (for at least a year)

I honestly feel that there HAS to be a Jordan or Lebron signing in this product, I dont know why I give Panini the benefit of the doubt, but i dont see how they could think they would get away with this without a couple "tricks up their sleeve".
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Old 09-05-2013, 07:59 PM   #116 (permalink)
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USATODAY.com - LeBron James hits jackpot with endorsement deals

multi year with upper deck..what if it is 10 year deal... should have ended ...

we can dream, can we ?
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Man, this still looks brutal. I mean honestly, the product is BEAUTIFUL... On the other hand, it is very underwhelming. I hope Panini shows us some pictures of Kyrie, Kobe or Durant! And there are not even RPA's in it! I still think its pretty, but not for $1250. I will just wait for Immaculate
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Old 09-05-2013, 08:06 PM   #118 (permalink)
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Everything negative previously said is correct. That being said.

The highs are you will have a great crack at some of the best, most limited rookie cards.

Not sure why they put base cards,But only numbered to 20 several. Will do very well.

When exquisite came out at 500 per pack, everyone though upper deck was crazy. Those who bought that set are laughing all the way to the bank.

This will be a lot more limited than exquisite was also. Any idea how many cases are being made?
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Everything negative previously said is correct. That being said.

The highs are you will have a great crack at some of the best, most limited rookie cards.

Not sure why they put base cards,But only numbered to 20 several. Will do very well.

When exquisite came out at 500 per pack, everyone though upper deck was crazy. Those who bought that set are laughing all the way to the bank.

This will be a lot more limited than exquisite was also. Any idea how many cases are being made?
I bet you those base cards sell for more than a lot of the autos! I wouldn't be surprised one bit if the base Jameer sells for more than the base auto of Jameer.
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Another thing of note, what about the allegations of Panini showing preferential treatment to their biggest customers in terms of loaded cases... The evidence is pretty clear, everything from Boomo, to them drawing smiley faces on the best redemptions possible (jersey number, spurs logo) when they send them to their "preferred" customers. If panini has done this in the past, then wants us to cough up $1300 for a box... Haha, I guess there are suckers born every minute.
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what is the extra "S" at the end of the Flawless emblem? looks like FlawlessS or Flawless5

This product looks like the weird test tube results of Panini Signatures+11-12Exquisite +12-13NT

some cards look really nice. but the emerald looks a bit cheap to me - not the right color to use as writing and borders. Silver and Gold looks much better on the same card

Like always I'll probably change my tune when I get one of these in hand.
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Panini puts out junk crap all year long so when they release something a little better people automatically think its "High End", so they increase the price exponentially

But in all honesty, nothing really Blows me away. Only the price. The cards do look better, but shouldn't panini have been doing this with NT in the first place?
At $500-$600 a box, I could see it. But $1250? I just can't see it. Even with Diamonds (Lowest grade Diamonds are a dime a dozen)

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Tracy also confirmed in the blog post comments that EVERYTHING would be game-worn, rookies and all. Having game-worn material in rookie cards is significant. Is it $1,250 worth of significance? Who knows, it's noteworthy though. I generally ignore rookie cards in hockey products but if it was game-worn patches instead of photoshoot stuff I'd have to reconsider.
I think this is a key post that is being missed. When was the last time we had a Rookie Auto Patch that was game worn? I can't even remember
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I think this is a key post that is being missed. When was the last time we had a Rookie Auto Patch that was game worn? I can't even remember
I feel that trust within the hobby for "game worn" material is disappearing, people buy patches now for aesthetics.
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I think this is a key post that is being missed. When was the last time we had a Rookie Auto Patch that was game worn? I can't even remember
no RC stamp means these "RPAs" will be viewed as a sub-set and won't fetch as high a price. hopefully they change this in final release
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