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Old 11-13-2013, 10:25 PM   #101 (permalink)
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Too many garbage auto's in immaculate and cards appear to have rough and chipped edges. to me flawless is way better
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:26 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Just cause you got lucky, it means NADA about the overall product!!!
this guy spits the truth ^^
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:26 PM   #103 (permalink)
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LOL..I know I was kidding. If I had to rank the three it would be:

1.Flawless
2.NT
3.Immaculate

This is only my opinion guys please do not crucify me
that's how i would rank them too
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:33 PM   #104 (permalink)
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That's exactly how I feel. I wish prices would "tank" on The Flawless singles I still haven't acquired. Someone sell me a Shaq or Kobe dual patch auto for cheap...
I was hoping money went to immaculate and flawless dipped for this week. but it looks like flawless is going up today .
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:42 PM   #105 (permalink)
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Whats there to explain?!? Immaculate is better designed, cheaper by the box/case, and has better chase.cards.

This thread and the sunglass icon you chose for it is so smug. you re clearly looking for validation. Its sad that you need a confidence boost, with this "i told you so" type thread. I have zero immaculate and flawless cards in my PC, but i guess you must do what you can to protect your investment
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:44 PM   #106 (permalink)
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Whats there to explain?!? Immaculate is better designed, cheaper by the box/case, and has better chase.cards.

This thread and the sunglass icon you chose for it is so smug. you re clearly looking for validation. Its sad that you need a confidence boost, with this "i told you so" type thread. I have zero immaculate and flawless cards in my PC, but i guess you must do what you can to protect your investment
100% Agreed Immaculate has better chase cards better design IMO and is cheaper.
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:45 PM   #107 (permalink)
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100% Agreed Immaculate has better chase cards better design IMO and is cheaper.
it is definitely cheaper!!! lol
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Old 11-13-2013, 10:47 PM   #108 (permalink)
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When people say Immaculate has "better chase cards" what they mean is that there are lots of patches, autos, and logoman cards of people you have never heard of.

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When people say Immaculate has "better chase cards" what they mean is that there are lots of logoman cards of people you have never heard of.
This comment is dumb beyond belief. Immaculate has scrubs, just like every product ever made. But I guess people have never of anthony davis, durant, david robinson, and other rookie, current star, and HOFers. You may not want a chance at those cards, but if i opened a high-end product, i sure would love the thrill and excitement that comes with those chase cards.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:00 PM   #110 (permalink)
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This comment is dumb beyond belief. Immaculate has scrubs, just like every product ever made. But I guess people have never of anthony davis, durant, david robinson, and other rookie, current star, and HOFers. You may not want a chance at those cards, but if i opened a high-end product, i sure would love the thrill and excitement that comes with those chase cards.
Just call it like like I see it. I see lots of scrub autos, patches, and logoman.
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When people say Immaculate has "better chase cards" what they mean is that there are lots of patches, autos, and logoman cards of people you have never heard of.
Should we prefer watered down Kyrie and kobe autos? I would prefer a logoman as a hit vs a Kyrie team panini parallel any day. That is if we must compare cards of completely different cost basis.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:06 PM   #112 (permalink)
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Should we prefer watered down Kyrie and kobe autos? I would prefer a logoman as a hit vs a Kyrie team panini parallel any day. That is if we must compare cards of completely different cost basis.
Immaculate logoman currently on Ebay (not including redemptions)
Bismack Biyombo
Perry Jones
Adrian Dantley
Robert Parish
Chris Singleton
Artis Gilmore
Goran Dragic
Austin Rivers
Lavoy Allen
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:12 PM   #113 (permalink)
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Immaculate logoman currently on Ebay (not including redemptions)
Bismack Biyombo
Perry Jones
Adrian Dantley
Robert Parish
Chris Singleton
Artis Gilmore
Goran Dragic
Austin Rivers
Lavoy Allen
Not all of them are scrubs what are you saying. And it's worth the risk in Immaculate for the reward of what you could get so many sick and nasty cards in the product. Also what do you expect for every logoman to be of an all star.

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Old 11-13-2013, 11:16 PM   #114 (permalink)
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Not all of them are scrubs what are you saying. And it's worth the risk in Immaculate for the reward of what you could get so many sick and nasty cards in the product.
I agree that they are not all scrubs. I disagree that it is worth the risk. It's a sucker bet.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:16 PM   #115 (permalink)
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Immaculate logoman currently on Ebay (not including redemptions)
Bismack Biyombo
Perry Jones
Adrian Dantley
Robert Parish
Chris Singleton
Artis Gilmore
Goran Dragic
Austin Rivers
Lavoy Allen
1/3 of those guys are HOF's.

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Old 11-13-2013, 11:17 PM   #116 (permalink)
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I agree that they are not all scrubs. I disagree that it is worth the risk. It's a sucker bet.
Haha sucker bet when you could get cards worth 10k plus I would say its worth it.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:20 PM   #117 (permalink)
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Hey Exquisite man

DO YOU LIKE IMMACULATE ?
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:20 PM   #118 (permalink)
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Haha sucker bet when you could get cards worth 10k plus I would say its worth it.
You can make more than 10K at the roulette wheel, but it is also a sucker bet.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:30 PM   #119 (permalink)
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You can make more than 10K at the roulette wheel, but it is also a sucker bet.
I guess that's your opinion then.
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Old 11-13-2013, 11:33 PM   #120 (permalink)
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Haha sucker bet when you could get cards worth 10k plus I would say its worth it.
2.8k case price to bet 10k card and you said worth it? Just 3.6x reward and the chance is less than 1/100...
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Old 11-14-2013, 01:15 AM   #121 (permalink)
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Regardless it was remarkable marketing on Panini's sense.... Flawless was better quality wise, I know it had it's hiccups, but let's be honest it is. And Immaculate has the booklets and logomans, Immaculate wouldn't even have touched Flawless had flawless had booklets and logomans. Just really smart of Panini to release a premium product without logomans and have those and the more affordable product at the end. Too bad the product is very chippy....
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Old 11-16-2013, 12:12 AM   #122 (permalink)
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Leon, in creating this thread you sure have opened a lot of Immaculate and now you say you have more on the way in the breaks section.... Have a change of heart did we??

Immaculate has looked great so far. It seems like 1 out of 6 boxes per case is a bit of a dud for 300-400 per other than that there is great cards and value coming out per case/box.
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Old 11-16-2013, 12:31 AM   #123 (permalink)
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At the end of the day I'm glad both products exist. I'm glad that we have something to talk about, new products to break and new cards to chase.
Well said sir.
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Old 11-16-2013, 01:13 AM   #124 (permalink)
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flawless immacuate nt ..... PANINI wins
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Old 11-16-2013, 01:17 AM   #125 (permalink)
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I have to admit, Immaculate is a bit nicer than I expected, still lots of bad players on the checklist, but that's expected with a double rookie class.

That being said, I still love Flawless. The handful of singles I've picked up have looked amazing in person and they certainly have a bit of a timeless feel to them. I'm not investing, just collecting, so I'm quite happy to have picked up what I have from flawless for my PC
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