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Jin 08-29-2012 12:48 PM

The first of 100 people to say it...

PETE ROSE? Best hitter of all time, that's why!

The HOF should just concern baseball and how the player performed on the field; it really has nothing to do with personal issues

pkscards 08-29-2012 12:48 PM

The answer to this question is Rock Raines.

Let me start off by comparing a few stats with you.

A: .293 BA, .343 OBP, .753 OPS, 3023 Hits, 149 HRs, 938 SBs, 1610 R, 39.1 Career WAR

B: .294 BA, .385 OBP, .810 OPS, 2605 Hits, 170 HRs, 808 SBs, 1571 R, 64.6 Career WAR

Then, let me tell you that Player A was a first-ballot Hall of Famer (maybe the worst all time, I might add), while player B has consistently been in the 30-percent region throughout his time on the ballot.

Yes, Tim Raines was a considerably better player than Lou Brock. It's really not even close. Raines was the second best lead-off hitter of all time, behind Rickey Henderson who is one of the Top 10 players of all time.

Since he didn't play for a World Series team and wasn't given the opportunity to be the hero that Brock was, he is not in Cooperstown. Also, finishing with less than 3,000 hits will keep him away, but the only reason Brock had so many more hits was because he played a bit longer and was MUCH less patient.

The .385 career OBP from a lead off hitter with considerable speed should say it all. This guy was one of the most valuable players a team could have, and played for a LONG time.

odiegoat 08-29-2012 12:50 PM

Easy choice would be Shoeless Joe Jackson or Pete Rose, but ignoring the whole banned from baseball for life thing, I would say Steve Garvey. Solid stats across the board and good defensive player. Underrated because of the era of players he played with like Winfield, Henderson, Rose, Morgan etc.

jkneer 08-29-2012 12:56 PM

Bill Dahlen, SS. Pre-war player that to this day ranks in the top 100 in: Gms, PAs, ABs, runs, hits, singles, triples, times on-base, HBP, BB & SB.

As a pre-war player, he deserves in.

Edited to add his wiki page, it's a good read.

Wiki: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Dahlen]Bill Dahlen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

lbailey 08-29-2012 12:56 PM

I believe the Hall of Fame should stand for what the name means. Who has brought the most fame to the hall. One of the greatest players in the history of baseball would be Shoeless Joe Jackson. We grow up as young boys, hearing about a guy who played a game without shoes. We idolize this guy who died 50 years before we were born. He set the stage of the Majors and brought it into fame. He is one of the top 10 most famous players to ever play and he is not in the hall. The court did not find him guilty so why do we? He transformed the game with his swing. That very swing is the one that Babe Ruth modeled his after and found his fame. The guys bat alone is the most famous bat in Baseball. Lets get him in.

carl2001 08-29-2012 12:57 PM

I think Pete Rose derserves to be in the Hall of Fame. He paid his dues and got punished but he still deserves to on the hall because of his accomplishment on field.

bigdogbrady 08-29-2012 01:06 PM

Mark McGwire. one of the greatest home run hitters ever. shouldn't be excluded for using anything since it wasn't tested for at the time. blaming someone after the fact is very hypocritical.

gergs1134 08-29-2012 01:12 PM

Tony Oliva: 3 time Batting Champion, AL Hits Leader 5 times, Doubles leader 4 times, 4 time top 5 for Al MVP (should have won the 1965 MVP), ROY 8 time All Star whose career was cut short by injury. He had a stretch of 6 seasons in a pitching dominated circuit that would rival any during that time. A catalyst in late 1960's for a strong Twins team reaching the playoffs 3 times and advancing the WS once.

PlayerOfTheGame 08-29-2012 01:33 PM

Fred McGriff: Such a great player! He was a 9th round pick which would have made him a steal for the Yankees had they started him. Instead they traded him and he went on to have a stellar career! He was only 7 homeruns shy of having 500 in his career had he not retired and was always consistent on a year to year basis (10 seasons with at least 30 homeruns). He was a 5 time all star and played well in both the national and american leagues. He actually is actually one of the few to lead both national and american leagues in home runs during a season.

giandonko 08-29-2012 01:34 PM

Pete Rose because other people said his name. I don't know baseball :(

zpk35 08-29-2012 01:37 PM

Dick Bartell: Pre WWII era shortstop- 2 time all star, 3 time pennant winner, batting average over .300 in a season 5 times in his career, one of the premier defensive players in the league, and one of the most forgotten players on this era. He had better numbers than many shortstops/infielders of this era (Rizzuto, Schoendienst) and almost identical numbers to Pee Wee Reese- A .284 career average and 2,165 hits during the pre war era for a shortstop are well above average accomplishments, as was his defense at a premium position.

poipounda 08-29-2012 02:21 PM

orel hershiser wasn't he good with a name "Bulldog" and a cy young, world series mvp, couple all star appearance??

KenTyler 08-29-2012 02:25 PM

I would go with Pete Rose as well. You have to have the best hitter in baseball included.

SethMurphy 08-29-2012 02:30 PM

I know he doesn't have all of the "major" stats, but Bernie Williams' contribution to not only the Yankees dynasty, but his postseason stats carry a lot of weight.

Also Bernie was a switch hitter, 10th all-time on that list, but I think Bernie's contribution is based on postseason merit

metsy617 08-29-2012 02:33 PM

gil hodges.... why this man is not in the hall is a travesty
here are his numbers
Gil Hodges
Gil Hodges Hitting Stats

Yr Age Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR GRSL RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG
1943 19 Dodgers 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 - 2 0 - 0 0 .000 .333 .000
1947 23 Dodgers 28 77 9 12 3 1 1 0 7 14 - 19 0 - 0 3 .156 .286 .260
1948 24 Dodgers 134 481 48 120 18 5 11 0 70 43 - 61 4 - 0 11 .249 .311 .376
1949 25 Dodgers 156 596 94 170 23 4 23 2 115 66 - 64 10 - 4 13 .285 .360 .453
1950 26 Dodgers 153 561 98 159 26 2 32 2 113 73 - 73 11 - 1 14 .283 .367 .508
1951 27 Dodgers 158 582 118 156 25 3 40 2 103 93 - 99 1 - 5 13 .268 .374 .527
1952 28 Dodgers 153 508 87 129 27 1 32 2 102 107 - 90 2 - 2 9 .254 .386 .500
1953 29 Dodgers 141 520 101 157 22 7 31 1 122 75 - 84 0 - 3 4 .302 .393 .550
1954 30 Dodgers 154 579 106 176 23 5 42 1 130 74 - 84 5 19 1 13 .304 .373 .579
1955 31 Dodgers 150 546 75 158 24 5 27 1 102 80 3 91 3 10 3 16 .289 .377 .500
1956 32 Dodgers 153 550 86 146 29 4 32 0 87 76 10 91 5 2 0 16 .265 .354 .507
1957 33 Dodgers 150 579 94 173 28 7 27 2 98 63 6 91 4 6 2 11 .299 .366 .511
1958 34 Dodgers 141 475 68 123 15 1 22 1 64 52 3 87 2 3 0 15 .259 .330 .434
1959 35 Dodgers 124 413 57 114 19 2 25 0 80 58 6 92 3 3 3 13 .276 .367 .513
1960 36 Dodgers 101 197 22 39 8 1 8 0 30 26 1 37 4 3 1 5 .198 .291 .371
1961 37 Dodgers 109 215 25 52 4 0 8 0 31 24 1 43 2 4 0 5 .242 .313 .372
1962 38 Mets 54 127 15 32 1 0 9 0 17 15 1 27 0 0 0 4 .252 .331 .472
1963 39 Mets 11 22 2 5 0 0 0 0 3 3 0 2 0 0 0 0 .227 .320 .227
Career G AB R H 2B 3B HR GRSL RBI BB IBB SO SH SF HBP GIDP AVG OBP SLG
18 Years 2,071 7,030 1,105 1,921 295 48 370 14 1,274 943 31 1,137 56 50 25 165 .273 .359 .487


considered to be the best 1st baseman of his day

also his record as a manager, while we cannot speculate what he would have done before his ntimely death

XL5 08-29-2012 02:51 PM

Dick Allen.

Reasons:


1. Career OPS .912 and [B]OPS+ 156![/B]

2. Led the league in HR twice, RBI and Runs once, [B]OPS 4 times![/B] Led the league in oWAR twice.

3. '64 AL ROY, '72 AL MVP, 7x All-Star

Still have doubts?

4. This SI cover:
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Case closed. Thank you.

Mendo 08-29-2012 03:36 PM

Gonna go with [B]Lee Smith[/B], 7x All Star, Ranking 3rd in MLB with 478 saves.

Smith led the NL in saves in 4 seasons, and his career ERA of 3.03 is on par with other Hall of Fame relievers Bruce Sutter (2.83) and Rollie Fingers (2.90).

solo92s10 08-29-2012 04:16 PM

Charlie Hustle AKA pete rose.
4,256, Nuff Said!

ssc8734 08-29-2012 04:16 PM

It has got to be Pete Rose. All Time hits leader great career, poor judgement. Needs to be in the Hall of Fame.

ryo1549 08-29-2012 04:35 PM

Which Former Baseball Player Belongs in the Hall of Fame and WHY?

Barry Bonds.

I know I know. He used steroid "allegedly". However if you think about what Bonds actually did, he should be in the hall of fame. Dude was such as good hitter that his career BA was .298. Steroids doesn't help with that. He was also an 8 time gold glover, which also (imo) would not be helped by using steroids. Finally the guy helped bring excitement back to baseball and the HR race when baseball was dipping in popularity.

KidDemon 08-29-2012 05:35 PM

I would also have to say Pete Rose! Best hitter.

rentychase 08-29-2012 05:41 PM

barry bonds because he is the greatest hitter of all tim enogh said

Onepercent 08-29-2012 05:55 PM

Pete Rose, Anyone who gambles, drinks and plays ball all at the same time, should be in hall of fame!

cowboyzqna 08-29-2012 05:59 PM

Barry Bonds. He was a beast!


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