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Old 10-04-2013, 03:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default The ceiling on copper age books

I have noted that among the 5 ages, copper books seems to have the lowest in terms of price potential, even lower than moderns!

NM98 is probably the hottest copper age books and a 9.8 only fetches $400-$450, while a raw NM is probably $100+.

That seems kind of low when you see the likes of key silver age 6.0 books, bronze age 8.0 crossing the $500 mark. Even modern books with variants such as Saga, East of West and Five ghosts are crossing the $400 mark.

So, are copper age books worth the investment (NM87, Batman adventures 12, spider man 361 etc) or are we better off putting our money in books from other ages?
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I think copper books will eventually heat up. It is just the "rule of generations" in play.


The people who always have the most money(collectors) are the ones in their 30s and above and what they have seen or grew up with on their generation basically is the hot commodity when it comes to collecting.


10-20 years ago GA books were the hottest ones in the market then the SA books came in hot in the market about 10 years ago and so on...
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Were copper age books more heavily printed?
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Were copper age books more heavily printed?
Much more printed, seeing X-Men #1 by Jim Lee have over 8.1 Million copies made in total. Spawn #1 had 1.9 Million copies made, ASM #30 said to be over a million, etc. Spawn #1 still sells for $12 at my shop every time I get a decent copy in, so compare it as being 20 times more printed than Saga #1, East of West #1, or 15 times more printed than recent key issues like Walking Dead #108, these newer books have HUGE long term potential based on rarity versus 90's books that are climbing just because they are getting stashed in collections rather that 20-50 copies lying in speculator's hands at the moment.

Because there are so many more of them out there, your mainstream books from Marvel and DC that are considered key issues will go up more slowly since every time there is a major announcement about said characters, 200 of them pop up on ebay in the next week as opposed to maybe 25 of them from Silver Age first appearances.
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The rule with CA books is it is 9.8 or bust.

There are a few exceptions (very few)

Another rule is the Rule of 25...
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How can we talk about copper age books without mentioning TMNT
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How can we talk about copper age books without mentioning TMNT
It's the WD #1 of the Copper Age
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It's the WD #1 of the Copper Age
So what does the Wolverine #145 Nabisco Variant count as?
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So what does the Wolverine #145 Nabisco Variant count as?
Wolverine #1 J. Scott Campbell Deadpool Variant

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Siege #3 Deadpool Variant

Both are more sought after than the Nabisco variant IMO, though.
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Hands down THE grail for copper is TMNT #1 1st print.
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Hands down THE grail for copper is TMNT #1 1st print.
Albedo #2, Bone #1 and Gobbledygook #1 & #2 aren't too far behind. Definitely don't have the cultural significance, but are major keys from the Copper age.
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I have noted that among the 5 ages, copper books seems to have the lowest in terms of price potential, even lower than moderns!

NM98 is probably the hottest copper age books and a 9.8 only fetches $400-$450, while a raw NM is probably $100+.

That seems kind of low when you see the likes of key silver age 6.0 books, bronze age 8.0 crossing the $500 mark. Even modern books with variants such as Saga, East of West and Five ghosts are crossing the $400 mark.

So, are copper age books worth the investment (NM87, Batman adventures 12, spider man 361 etc) or are we better off putting our money in books from other ages?
You are ignoring a lot of important Copper Age books that fetch a lot more than the titles you listed, which are from the very tail end of the CA. I'm not sure about the ceiling for these books, but books like TMNT, Bone and others will continue to appreciate IMHO.

Remember, while the beginning and end of the Copper Age is debatable, it started in the VERY early 80s and ended in the early to mid 90s.
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You are ignoring a lot of important Copper Age books that fetch a lot more than the titles you listed, which are from the very tail end of the CA. I'm not sure about the ceiling for these books, but books like TMNT, Bone and others will continue to appreciate IMHO.

Remember, while the beginning and end of the Copper Age is debatable, it started in the VERY early 80s and ended in the early to mid 90s.
I intentionally left these out to focus on the Big two. Most of these titles you mentioned do command >1k price tag for 9.4 but I am not sure how relevant these characters will be going forward. The big 2 characters will always be around so my question is more targeted towards the attractiveness of buying the first appearance of these characters.
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I intentionally left these out to focus on the Big two. Most of these titles you mentioned do command >1k price tag for 9.4 but I am not sure how relevant these characters will be going forward. The big 2 characters will always be around so my question is more targeted towards the attractiveness of buying the first appearance of these characters.
I think TMNT are and will be more relevant than Deadpool, Carnage or Harley Quinn. My 2 cents and is definitely open to debate.

If you are looking for a big two copper book with a ceiling that keeps going up, look no further than ASM 300.
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If you are going buy Big Two first appearances from the Copper age, remember condition is king and only spend between $0.50 - $10 depending on the book. NM87 98, Batman Adventures 12 and a few others being the exception.
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NM 98 will keep rising in value...
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I used to have a flaming carrot #1..back when I was in college in the 80's..I think it was worth something now
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NM 98 will keep rising in value...
I would love to hear more on why you think this is so. No book can increase forever so what do u think is the eventual price point for a 9.8?
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I would love to hear more on why you think this is so. No book can increase forever so what do u think is the eventual price point for a 9.8?
When the movie comes out...
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There is a deadpool movie??
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There is a deadpool movie??
It's been in the works for the last five years.
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Actually shouldn't the dr. Strange issues be rising soon with a movie supposedly coming out in 2015, and possible connection to colson?
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I would love to hear more on why you think this is so. No book can increase forever so what do u think is the eventual price point for a 9.8?
marvel promotes him like wolverine back in the 80's and 90's..

I see this book to keep rising and Its only a matter of time for a movie to come out.

I really wonder wut the print run on this book is because the auctions are very competitive for this book.
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marvel promotes him like wolverine back in the 80's and 90's..

I see this book to keep rising and Its only a matter of time for a movie to come out.

I really wonder wut the print run on this book is because the auctions are very competitive for this book.
I agree with this. The print run is probably stupid high, but so was IH 181 and that book keeps rising.
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I agree with this. The print run is probably stupid high, but so was IH 181 and that book keeps rising.
True, but collecting in 1991 and 1974 was two different things. How many people actually took care of comics and used bags and boards in 1974? By 1991, people already got hip to collectibles and started to hoard, etc. Both have a large following, but i honestly think they ruined Deadpool unlike Wolverine.
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