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Old 11-10-2011, 03:02 PM   #176 (permalink)
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So will refractors and color refractors go with the team lots?
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So will refractors and color refractors go with the team lots?
Yes. All refractors and color refractors are part of the team lots or insert lots. The only thing that is not, are the autos.

The Carolina Panthers lot with the blue ref Cam Newton will be in the top 10 of my default draft list. There should be at least 4 Newton RC Base and that Blue ref.

The Insert lots may end up pretty high as well now that I'm not splitting them into even/odd. I'll have a default list up tonight.
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I have a preliminary list for myself but need to know what kind of low numbered refractors were pulled. Can you give a brief rundown of the better ones?
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I will need a full rundown of all the items pulled (and new Pakman PC items)to set my default list for the draft, since I will not be able to make it live tomorrow or this weekend. Thanks!
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BTW, pakman would you be interested in doing a chrome FB blaster box 2 or 3 case draft? Prices are only around 300 a case...and good stuff has been pulled from those.
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I would be very interested in getting this one done It's Friday, where is the draft?
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I have the whole day off today and I'm getting all of the information for what we pulled together. Based on the timing, the draft will not start till after I get my default list posted. Although we may start the draft immediately, I think it would be best to start the actual draft clock tomorrow. I know this puts some of you out a little. I'm also open to starting the draft clock next week on Monday if that's more convenient for you guys.

There are just to many little things I need to provide you guys to be able to make good choices with your draft picks. I want to make sure we do this right. The full breakdown of both cases should be up shortly. I finished shorting both cases last night and have the inserts broken down. Now I just need to break down the parallels and get some scans up and we should be good to go.

Check back in a few hours, I should have everything up.
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One other question...I have a lot of various parallels. Do you want scans? Or is it enough for me to just post the breakdown with the card numbering.

Sepia, Atomic, Black Parallels... I will scan the blue, gold and red parallels.
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Old 11-11-2011, 02:07 PM   #184 (permalink)
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Insert Breakdown:

Case #1:
Finest Freshman
A.J. Green
Andy Dalton
Austin Pettis
Cam Newton
Colin Kaepernick
Daniel Thomas
Delone Carter
Demarco Murray
Greg Little
Jake Locker
Jamie Harper
Jerrel Jernigan
Jon Baldwin
Julio Jones
Kendall Hunter
Leonard Hankerson
Marcell Dareus
Mark Ingram
Ryan Mallett
Stevan Ridley
Taiwan Jones
Titus Young
Torrey Smith
Von Miller
Alex Green(x2)
Bilal Powell(x2)
Blaine Gabbert(x2)
Christian Ponder(x2)
Edmond Gates(x2)
Jordan Todman(x2)
Kyle Rudolph(x2)
Mikel Leshoure(x2)
Randall Cobb(x2)
Ryan Williams(x2)
Shane Vereen(x2)
Vincent Brown(x2)

Superlative Rookies:
Cam Newton
Colin Kaepernick
Ryan Mallett
Torrey Smith
Bilal Powell
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Edmond Gates
Kyle Rudolph
Mikel Leshoure
Randall Cobb
Shane Vereen

Rookie Recognition:

Colin Kaepernick
Ryan Mallett
Torrey Smith
Bilal Powell
Christian Ponder
Edmond Gates
A.J. Green
Austin Pettis
Daniel Thomas
Delone Carter
Demarco Murray
Greg Little
Jake Locker
Jamie Harper
Jerrel Jernigan
Jon Baldwin
Julio Jones
Kendall Hunter
Leonard Hankerson
Marcell Dareus
Mark Ingram
Stevan Ridley
Taiwan Jones
Vincent Brown

Bowman Chrome:
BCR-1 Blaine Gabbert
BCR-2 Jake Locker
BCR-3 Cam Newton
BCR-5 Mark Ingram
BCR-6 Ryan Williams
BCR-7 Mikel Leshoure
BCR-8 AJ Green
BCR-10 Jon Baldwin
BCR-11 Marcell Dareus
BCR-12 Von Miller
BCR-13 Andy Dalton
BCR-14 Kyle Rudolph
BCR-15 Christian Ponder
BCR-16 Blaine Gabbert
BCR-17 Jake Locker
BCR-19 Ryan Mallett
BCR-20 Mark Ingram
BCR-22 Mikel Leshoure
BCR-23 AJ Green
BCR-24 Julio Jones
BCR-25 Jon Baldwin
BCR-26 Marcell Dareus
BCR-28 Andy Dalton
BCR-29 Kyle Rudolph

Parallels:
Cam Newton Bowman Chrome Ref 85/99
Delone Carter Finest Freshman Ref 65/99
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Insert Breakdown:

Case #2:
Finest Freshman
A.J. Green
Andy Dalton
Austin Pettis
Cam Newton
Colin Kaepernick
Daniel Thomas
Delone Carter
Demarco Murray
Greg Little
Jake Locker
Jamie Harper
Jerrel Jernigan
Jon Baldwin
Julio Jones
Kendall Hunter
Leonard Hankerson
Marcell Dareus
Mark Ingram
Ryan Mallett
Stevan Ridley
Tiawan Jones
Titus Young
Torrey Smith
Von Miller
Alex Green(x2)
Bilal Powell(x2)
Blaine Gabbert(x2)
Christian Ponder(x2)
Edmond Gates(x2)
Jordan Todman(x2)
Kyle Rudolph(x2)
Mikel Leshoure(x2)
Randall Cobb(x2)
Ryan Williams(x2)
Shane Vereen(x2)
Vincent Brown(x2)

Superlative Rookies:
Cam Newton
Colin Kaepernick
Julio Jones
Ryan Mallett
Torrey Smith
Bilal Powell
Blaine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Edmond Gates
Kyle Rudolph
Mikel Leshoure
Shane Vereen

Rookie Recognition:
Colin Kaepernick
Julio Jones
Ryan Mallett
Torrey Smith
Edmond Gates
A.J. Green
Andy Dalton
Austin Pettis
Daniel Thomas
Delone Carter
Demarco Murray
Greg Little
Jake Locker
Jamie Harper
Jerrel Jernigan
Jon Baldwin
Kendall Hunter
Leonard Hankerson
Marcell Dareus
Mark Ingram
Stevan Ridley
Tiawan Jones
Titus Young
Von Miller

Bowman Chrome:
BCR-2 Jake Locker
BCR-3 Cam Newton
BCR-4 Ryan Mallett
BCR-5 Mark Ingram
BCR-6 Ryan Williams
BCR-7 Mikel Leshoure
BCR-8 AJ Green
BCR-9 Julio Jones
BCR-12 Von Miller
BCR-13 Andy Dalton
BCR-14 Kyle Rudolph
BCR-15 Christian Ponder
BCR-16 Blaine Gabbert
BCR-18 Cam Newton
BCR-19 Ryan Mallett
BCR-21 Ryan Williams
BCR-22 Mikel Leshoure
BCR-23 AJ Green
BCR-24 Julio Jones
BCR-25 Jon Baldwin
BCR-27 Von Miller
BCR-28 Andy Dalton
BCR-29 Kyle Rudolph
BCR-30 Christian Ponder

Parallels:
Mikel Leshoure Bowman Chrome Ref 63/99
Marcell Dareus Finest Freshman Ref 81/99
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Parallel Refractors:

CASE #1

Black Border:
Antonio Gates 298/299
Ronnie Brown 153/299
Randy Moss 017/299
Darrelle Revis 214/299
Ryan Mathews 181/299
Matt Ryan 217/299
Rob Gronkowski 210/299
Vernon Davis 277/299
Wes Welker 176/299
Kenny Britt 283/299

Crystal Atomic Refractor:
Robert Quinn RC (RAMS) 106/139
Von Miller RC (BRONCOS) 116/139
Shane Vereen RC (PATRIOTS) 081/139
Rob Housler RC (CARDINALS) 075/139
Alex Green RC (GREEN BAY) 094/139
Vincent Brown RC (CHARGERS) 049/139
Ryan Williams RC (CARDINALS) 068/139
Bruce Carter RC (COWBOYS) 010/139
Brooks Reed RC (TEXANS) 061/139
Blaine Gabbert RC (JAGUARS) 044/139
Jordan Cameron RC (BROWNS) 085/139
Julius Thomas RC (BRONCOS) 043/139

Sepia Refractors:
Dwayne Harris RC (COWBOYS) 40/99
Taiwan Jones RC (RAIDERS) 50/99
Mikel Leshoure RC (LIONS) 28/99
Lance Kendricks RC (RAMS) 92/99
Cameron Heyward RC (STEELERS) 87/99
Cameron Jordan RC (SAINTS) 55/99
Lee Smith RC (PATRIOTS) 93/99
Rob Housler RC (CARDINALS) 53/99
Julius Thomas RC (BRONCOS) 88/99

Blue Refractors:
Delone Carter RC (COWBOYS) 139/199
Cameron Jordan RC (SAINTS) 168/199
Alex Green RC (GREEN BAY) 083/199
Dontay Moch RC (BENGALS) 035/199
Greg Salas RC (RAMS) 046/199
Jimmy Smith RC (RAVENS) 039/199

Gold Refractors:
Jake Locker RC (TITANS) 03/50
Taiwan Jones RC (RAIDERS) 25/50

Red Refractor:
Felix Jones (COWBOYS) 23/25

Rookie Variation:
Kyle Rudolph

Cam Newton:
Cam Newton Ref
Cam Newton Base (x4)

Team Breakdown:
49ers [1]
Bengals [1]
Broncos [3]
Browns [1]
Cardinals [3]
Chargers [3]
Cowboys [4]
Falcons [1]
Green Bay [2]
Jaguars [1]
Jets [1]
Lions [1]
Dolphins [1]
Patriots [4]
Raiders [2]
Rams [3]
Ravens [1]
Saints [2]
Steelers [1]
Titans [3]
Vikings [1]
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Parallel Refractors


Case #2

Black Border:
Taiwan Jones RC (RAIDERS) 266/299
Von Miller RC (BRONCOS) 061/299
Muhammad Wilkerson RC (JETS) 291/299
Justin Houston RC (CHIEFS) 040/299
Ryan Kerrigan RC (REDSKINS) 276/299
Anthony Castonzo RC (COLTS) 092/299
Dwayne Harris RC (COWBOYS) 205/299
Curtis Brown RC (STEELERS) 255/299
Mikel Leshoure RC (LIONS) 142/299
Derek Sherrod RC (GREEN BAY) 265/299

Crystal Atomic:
Cameron Heyward RC (STEELERS) 094/139
Corey Liuget RC (CHARGERS) 013/139
Nate Solder RC (PATRIOTS) 033/139
Torrey Smith RC (RAVENS) 042/139
Da'Rel Scott RC (GIANTS) 090/139
Evan Royster RC (REDSKINS) 056/139
J.J Watt RC (TEXANS) 010/139
Mike Pouncey RC (DOLPHINS) 093/139
Virgil Green RC (BRONCOS) 031/139
Phil Taylor RC (BROWNS) 043/139
Lance Kendricks (RAMS) 117/139
Cameron Jordan (SAINTS) 076/139

Sephia Refractors:
Josh Freeman 04/99
James Harrison 24/99
Rashard Mendenhall 48/99
LeSean McCoy 25/99
Calvin Johnson 22/99
Joe Flacco 92/99
Wes Welker 25/99
Brandon Lloyd 98/99
Matt Forte 34/99
Donovan McNabb 29/99

Blue Refractor:
Cam Newton RC (PANTHERS) 128/199
James Carpenter RC (SEAHAWKS) 154/199
Bilal Powell RC (JETS) 123/199
Anthony Castanzo RC (COLTS) 122/199
Taiwan Jones RC (RAIDERS) 148/199
Austin Pettis RC (RAMS) 047/199

Gold Refractor:
Bilal Powell RC (JETS) 30/50

Red Refractor:
Matt Ryan 06/25

Rookie Variation:
Randall Cobb RC (GREEN BAY)

Cam Newton:
Cam Newton Base (x4)

Team Breakdown:
Bears [1]
Broncos [3]
Browns [1]
Bucs [1]
Chargers [1]
Chiefs [1]
Colts [2]
Cowboys [1]
Dolphins [1]
Eagles [1]
Falcons [1]
Giants [1]
Green Bay [2]
Jets [3]
Lions [2]
Panthers [1]
Patriots [2]
Raiders [2]
Rams [2]
Ravens [2]
Redskins [3]
Saints [1]
Seahawks [1]
Steelers [4]
Texans [1]
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Dude, putting a default list for this entire thing is hard! I've been at it for a while and I'm getting a headache and I'm not even 1/4 the way through. I think you should just start the draft and see how it shakes out. I bet a good chunk of people, at least in the beginning, will make their picks in the allotted time.
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I am curious to see what the default list is
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Dude, putting a default list for this entire thing is hard! I've been at it for a while and I'm getting a headache and I'm not even 1/4 the way through. I think you should just start the draft and see how it shakes out. I bet a good chunk of people, at least in the beginning, will make their picks in the allotted time.
There's nothing to stop people from drafting off the clock. Pick #1 can make the pick now. I'm just not enforcing a clock. I won't until tomorrow at 8PM. If your draft pick is up and you know what you want, please make your pick and then PM the next person.

I'm still working on my default draft list. I should have it up shortly.
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There's nothing to stop people from drafting off the clock. Pick #1 can make the pick now. I'm just not enforcing a clock. I won't until tomorrow at 8PM. If your draft pick is up and you know what you want, please make your pick and then PM the next person.

I'm still working on my default draft list. I should have it up shortly.
I take that back. I owe you guys the inception cards I'm throwing in. My bad. Scans coming.
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Yeah, I'm an idiot.

After looking over my OP and the original way I broke up the inserts, I NOW realize that I had it right from the start. Sorta of. There were only 8 lots, not 16 lots in my OP. I still made a mistakes because the cards ended up not being numbered. So I couldn't do even and odd. BUT, there were only 8 lots regardless.

SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That means you guys will be getting 13 free lots from my PC. 96 from the break and 13 from my PC makes 109 draft picks.
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Holy smokes! I just discovered that the Torrey Smith Auto is his variation card!!!

Not to mention, it's not numbered. Which is odd. The DeMarco Murray Ref is numbered to 99. But the Torrey Smith Ref is not. Error Card? Probably not, but I'm guessing the other ones are not numbered either.
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FINALLY HAVE MY DEFAULT LIST!!! Let me just say, doing these breaks is like a full time job! But it's so much fun!!! Thanks for being patient everyone.

Just a quick disclaimer about the list. The way I built it was I averaged prices based on eBay, then sorted by price. So some cards may seem in a weird place. Also, with regards to the team lots. I factored in the top 10 players and averaged their "per card" price to determine the lot price. Some teams do not have standout players, so I just clumped them together with regards to price. Each team lot had about 3-5 cards per player. Anyway, some of you may not agree with my default list, but feel free to create you own.

1 DeMarco Murray Ref Auto 88/99
2 PANTHERS Case #2 Lot
3 Bowman Chrome Case #1 Lot (Includes Cam Newton Refractor 85/99) - Last minute change.
4 TITANS Case #1 Lot
5 DeMarco Murray Auto
6 PANTHERS Case #1 Lot
7 Andy Dalton Auto
8 COWBOYS Case #1 Lot
9 FALCONS Case #2 Lot
10 Ryan Mallet Bowman Chrome Ref Auto
11 Bowman Chrome Case #2 Lot (Includes Both Cam Newton Cards/missing 6 cards from complete set)
12 Bilal Powell Rookie Auto Patch Auto 08/25
13 BENGALS Case #1 Lot
14 BENGALS Case #2 Lot
15 JAGUARS Case #1 Lot
16 Torrey Smith Variation Ref Auto NO NUMBER
17 Lance Kendricks Crystal Atomic Ref Auto 02/50
18 Daniel Thomas Rookie Recognition Ref Auto
19 VIKINGS Case #1 Lot (Includes Kyle Rudolph Variation) - Last minute edit.
20 COWBOYS Case #2 Lot
21 VIKINGS Case #2 Lot
22 Ryan Williams Ref Rookie Recognition Auto
23 Delone Carter 2-Color Patch Auto 240/599 Inception
24 JETS Case #2 Lot
25 PACKERS Case #2 Lot
26 Finest Freshman Case #1 Lot
27 Finest Freshman Case #2 Lot
28 SAINTS Case #1 Lot
29 JAGUARS Case #2 Lot
30 SAINTS Case #2 Lot
31 TITANS Case #2 Lot
32 FALCONS Case #1 Lot
33 Superlative Rookies Case #1 Lot
34 Superlative Rookies Case #2 Lot
35 Rookie Recognition Case #1 Lot
36 Rookie Recognition Case #2 Lot
37 Daniel Thomas Auto
38 Mikel Leshoure Auto
39 Kendall Hunter Auto
40 Vincent Brown Auto
41 Leonard Hankerson
42 Kyle Rudolph Auto
43 Taiwan Jones Auto
44 Taiwan Jones Jersey Auto 74/75 Inception
45 Alex Green Auto
46 Greg McElroy Auto
47 Jordan Todman 4-Color Patch Auto 416/599 Inception
48 Jamie Harper Patch 10/10 Inception
49 Alex Green Auto 748/900 Inception
50 Alex Green Auto 742/900 Inception
51 49ERS Case #1 Lot
52 BEARS Case #1 Lot
53 BILLS Case #1 Lot
54 BRONCOS Case #1 Lot
55 BROWNS Case #1 Lot
56 BUCS Case #1 Lot
57 CARDINALS Case #1 Lot
58 CHARGERS Case #1 Lot
59 CHIEFS Case #1 Lot
60 COLTS Case #1 Lot
61 DOLPHINS Case #1 Lot
62 EAGLES Case #1 Lot
63 GIANTS Case #1 Lot
64 JETS Case #1 Lot
65 LIONS Case #1 Lot
66 PACKERS Case #1 Lot
67 PATRIOTS Case #1 Lot
68 RAIDERS Case #1 Lot
69 RAMS Case #1 Lot
70 RAVENS Case #1 Lot
71 REDSKINS Case #1 Lot
72 SEAHAWKS Case #1 Lot
73 STEELERS Case #1 Lot
74 TEXANS Case #1 Lot
75 49ERS Case #2 Lot
76 BEARS Case #2 Lot
77 BILLS Case #2 Lot
78 BRONCOS Case #2 Lot
79 BROWNS Case #2 Lot
80 BUCS Case #2 Lot
81 CARDINALS Case #2 Lot
82 CHARGERS Case #2 Lot
83 CHIEFS Case #2 Lot
84 COLTS Case #2 Lot
85 DOLPHINS Case #2 Lot
86 EAGLES Case #2 Lot
87 GIANTS Case #2 Lot
88 LIONS Case #2 Lot
89 PATRIOTS Case #2 Lot
90 RAIDERS Case #2 Lot
91 RAMS Case #2 Lot
92 RAVENS Case #2 Lot
93 REDSKINS Case #2 Lot
94 SEAHAWKS Case #2 Lot
95 STEELERS Case #2 Lot
96 TEXANS Case #2 Lot
97 Lance Kendricks Auto
98 Bilal Powell 2-Color Patch Auto 293/599 Inception
99 Alex Green Patch 10/25 Inception
100 Jerrel Jernigan Auto
101 Jamie Harper Auto
102 Dwayne Harris Auto
103 Ryan Kerrigan Auto
104 D.J. Williams Auto
105 Kendall Hunter Patch 015/158 Inception
106 Kyle Rudolph Auto 070/900 Inception
107 Jerrel Jernigan Auto 004/150 Inception
108 Jordan Todman Auto 111/150 Inception
109 Edmond Gates Auto 505/600 Inception


Ballpark, if we sold all of these cards on ebay, we'd make about $1378-ish. So not a horrible case.
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with my first pick i want the number one default card; murray auto refractor /99 thanks for hosting and u can ship both break cards together.. i will send pm to next
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If anyone is interested in buying the #3 pick, please send me a pm. Thank you!
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Can pick 2 please pick already? Thanks
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I have a few quick questions. The first is, may someone please tell me what is in these 2 lots:

2 PANTHERS Case #2 Lot
3 TITANS Case #1 Lot

And the other is, has topps been notified that there were 8 missing hits? Because they should send us some pretty nice replacements if we showed them the autos they gave us from 2 cases.

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Pick #2 will take PANTHERS Case #2 Lot (which includes the Blue Cam)
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