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Old 10-26-2010, 10:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A little strange... about 45 minutes before the auction ended, a new eBayer (who happens to have 17 retractions) made eight bids in $2-3 increments - until he was the high bidder. He canceled his last bid immediately thereafter.

If there's an explanation other than shilling, please post it. Thanks.

EDIT: The seller is waxliquidators

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Old 10-26-2010, 10:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Other than they don't understand the rules yet, I'm guessing you mean the 1 with the lil person beside the 22??
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Yes. That person made eight bids in a matter of minutes, then canceled his final bid when he learned he was the high bidder.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:16 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Lots of bids and only 1% activity with seller, but you've got to admit that is extreeeeeemly suspicous, only because they withdrew their bid once leading (and really quickly after bidding). I didn't think you could withdraw with under 12 hours left to run or something...
I would refuse to pay, saying give it as a 2nd chance to the other bidder who wanted it so much that they bid 7 times on it...
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Agree 100%. Something is fishy here. Buyers are not supposed to be able to cancel bids within the last 12 hours, unless something has changed? You should only have to pay ~$34 for that card. I'd contact eBay too, if that happened to me. Sorry dude, good luck.
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You mean the guy with 18 bid retractions in the last 6 months?

lol .....no other reason then shilling
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Lots of bids and only 1% activity with seller, but you've got to admit that is extreeeeeemly suspicous, only because they withdrew their bid once leading (and really quickly after bidding). I didn't think you could withdraw with under 12 hours left to run or something...
I would refuse to pay, saying give it as a 2nd chance to the other bidder who wanted it so much that they bid 7 times on it...
That's the part that throws me... otherwise, I'd be 100% sure it was shilled.

Still, is there an explanation other than shilling for this pattern of bids, with the retraction?
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If it wasn't shilled (I think it was) then something else fishy is/was going on.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:32 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Apparently, this guy (Sean Patrick) has a history of selling re-sealed boxes.

Mini box searched - 2007 Topps Finest Football

Other posts and comments from different board about him, too... not surprised.

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Update... a couple of PMs back and forth -- and the seller canceled the transaction.
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Agree 100%. Something is fishy here. Buyers are not supposed to be able to cancel bids within the last 12 hours, unless something has changed? You should only have to pay ~$34 for that card. I'd contact eBay too, if that happened to me. Sorry dude, good luck.
Straight from ebay...

Listing ends in less than 12 hours

Yes, but only if you retract the bid within one hour of placing it

When you retract the bid, we remove only your most recent bid. Bids you placed prior to the last 12 hours of the listing are not removed.



and not within 12 hours.....

Listing ends in more than 12 hours


Yes

When you retract the bid, we remove all bids you placed on the item. If you are correcting a bidding error, you must bid again.
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Old 10-27-2010, 05:24 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Thanks SacGWYNN19, so let me make sure I get this straight:

- bidders can retract ANY bid up to an hour before the end of an auction.
- if a bidder cancels their bid BEFORE T-12 hours, ALL bids are canceled.
- if a bidder cancels their bid AFTER T-12 hours, ONLY the most recent bid is canceled.

Is the above correct?
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Thanks SacGWYNN19, so let me make sure I get this straight:

- bidders can retract ANY bid up to an hour before the end of an auction.
- if a bidder cancels their bid BEFORE T-12 hours, ALL bids are canceled.
- if a bidder cancels their bid AFTER T-12 hours, ONLY the most recent bid is canceled.

Is the above correct?
NO
You can retract any bid up until the end of the auction.. but if there is less then 12hrs left then you can only retract your last bid but that bid has to be retracted within 1 hr of placing it. The rest of above is correct. So basically a shill bidder can come in with less then 1hr....5 min, etc and bid until they are high bidder then retract bid and it just takes away the last bid leaving the auction at the max of "real bidder"
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You can retract any bid up until the end of the auction.. but if there is less then 12hrs left then you can only retract your last bid but that bid has to be retracted within 1 hr of placing it. The rest of above is correct. So basically a shill bidder can come in with less then 1hr....5 min, etc and bid until they are high bidder then retract bid and it just takes away the last bid leaving the auction at the max of "real bidder"
Great info, thanks. But damn, with those rules, no wonder there are shill bidders. Ugh.
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eBay.com Item Bid History

A little strange... about 45 minutes before the auction ended, a new eBayer (who happens to have 17 retractions) made eight bids in $2-3 increments - until he was the high bidder. He canceled his last bid immediately thereafter.

If there's an explanation other than shilling, please post it. Thanks.

EDIT: The seller is waxliquidators
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Apparently, this guy (Sean Patrick) has a history of selling re-sealed boxes.

Mini box searched - 2007 Topps Finest Football

Other posts and comments from different board about him, too... not surprised.
Thanks for posting this selller and the past thread about him! I recognize that name as this seller was at one point selling a ton of single box 2010 Razor Rookie Retro. Thankfully I never purchased any but watched the price. I know now I am never going to be dealing with him.
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I don't really know if you can tell "shilling" just by that though, I have had to bid up to 5 to 6 times in a row to get to my top price of what I was willing to pay for a card. Other times I see it also but it could be that the first bidder set his "paying" price to $15 and the auction still read $0.99 so when you bid, his bid automatic comes in til his top bid is reached.
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I don't really know if you can tell "shilling" just by that though, I have had to bid up to 5 to 6 times in a row to get to my top price of what I was willing to pay for a card. Other times I see it also but it could be that the first bidder set his "paying" price to $15 and the auction still read $0.99 so when you bid, his bid automatic comes in til his top bid is reached.
How do you explain the immediate retraction of his top bid then? If he retracted his bid completely then all of his bids would be gone wouldn't they?
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