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Old 01-29-2011, 07:49 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I guess what angers me most would be that somebody is going to massively overpay for this thing because some idiot with 80/100 vision says it's 9.5. A great card, with absolutey zero reason to be graded. Slabbed authentic, possibly. Graded? Not necessary, unless you're the one taking a cut of the final sale price. In that case, ohhh... riiiiiiiggghhhtttt.......
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Old 01-29-2011, 09:32 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Yeah i don't get why anybody would grade a 1 of 1. To me i would think it would drive the price down
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Old 01-29-2011, 09:34 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Yeah i don't get why anybody would grade a 1 of 1. To me i would think it would drive the price down
Likely it's mostly for the protection, don't want to risk damaging the card, and it's hard when it's in the holder unless you really #@#@#@#@ up
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Old 01-29-2011, 09:46 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I have been thinking Beckett selling their graded cards was a conflict for a while now. How can a company whose opinion can influence the price of a card also sell said card and not have a conflict? I guess I know who to consign my raw cards to now. Get Beckett to sell them and get a guaranteed 9.5 or 10!
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I have been thinking Beckett selling their graded cards was a conflict for a while now. How can a company whose opinion can influence the price of a card also sell said card and not have a conflict? I guess I know who to consign my raw cards to now. Get Beckett to sell them and get a guaranteed 9.5 or 10!
You got that right, they knew what they were doing, at 3,999.99 starting bid this card got no bids raw, they put the gem mint pics up with the 10 auto and within the next 24 hours it was up to 7k, not a bad business decision.
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Old 01-29-2011, 10:13 PM   #31 (permalink)
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i heard rumors back in the 90's that good old dr beckett was buying all the 1990 frank thomas no names errors - hence the high price
another rumor was that he also bought all the left over topps kobe bryant redemptions (once they expired)

as said before
how can a company that prices cards also grade cards and sell them
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not a bad business decision.
In a perfect world, it's a terrible business decision. It's a conflict of interest, it's unethical, and it shows that BGS has absolutely zero integrity.

I haven't bought a BGS graded card or submitted to them since 2003, when the trimmed Mark Prior and Tom Brady BGS 9.5 controversies came to light. Not to mention them grading sheet cut OPC cards. Why ANYONE would give them business after the Strasburg Super is beyond me.

BGS is a joke
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In a perfect world, it's a terrible business decision. It's a conflict of interest, it's unethical, and it shows that BGS has absolutely zero integrity.

I haven't bought a BGS graded card or submitted to them since 2003, when the trimmed Mark Prior and Tom Brady BGS 9.5 controversies came to light. Not to mention them grading sheet cut OPC cards. Why ANYONE would give them business after the Strasburg Super is beyond me.

BGS is a joke
I was being sarcastic, forgot the

Just saying if you can dictate the price of a card that easily you should not be selling cards. Someone told me that they pulled the AP 1/1 from 07 Exquisite which would suck to anyone who bought a ton of the product knowing that is the best pull. Any truth to that?
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Sorry, it's hard to detect sarcasm...especially since I don't know any of you guys yet

And yes, the AD Exquisite thing is true
Does Upper Deck Fix Beckett Box Breaks? | Sports Collectibles News

To be fair, that was UD's doing, not Beckett's
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Sorry, it's hard to detect sarcasm...especially since I don't know any of you guys yet

And yes, the AD Exquisite thing is true
Does Upper Deck Fix Beckett Box Breaks? | Sports Collectibles News

To be fair, that was UD's doing, not Beckett's
a topps gave beckett loaded tribute boxes
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how many kobe autos have you seen in beckett breaks

you can not just throw upper deck under the bus and forget to mention other companies track history
now this thread is going be a ud sucks thread once wheeler gets involved
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He specifically asked about a UD product. I responded with information about a UD product.

I'm well aware that every other company does the same thing. If those loaded boxes didn't short other collectors the chance to pull certain cards, I'd have no problem with the practice
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Sorry, it's hard to detect sarcasm...especially since I don't know any of you guys yet

And yes, the AD Exquisite thing is true
Does Upper Deck Fix Beckett Box Breaks? | Sports Collectibles News

To be fair, that was UD's doing, not Beckett's
Thanks for the link, I had heard that never looked into it.

Does anyone know if that card ever surfaced to the public or does beckett still have it, probably graded the auto a 10 even though it runs off the bottom...LOL...who knows anymore!
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Gellman - the guy who runs sportscardsuncensored.com - would probably know.
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That's a pretty generous 9 for the corners, the back corners on the back are both dinged. What a scam.
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That's a pretty generous 9 for the corners, the back corners on the back are both dinged. What a scam.
I guarantee me or you send that card in to Beckett and those corners are lucky to get a 8.5. They even say in their listing under magnification, but I can see the corners dinged with my naked eyes, who needs magnification to know the corner grade is a joke, they know that makes the gem mint grade stick other wise it would be a boring mint 9.

Not to mention I have seen several of his SP Authentic autos graded 9 that look identical to the auto on his 1/1 that magically got a 10. There is a BGS 9.5 on ebay with 9 auto where the auto looks just as good as the 1/1 to me at least.
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Yeah i don't get why anybody would grade a 1 of 1. To me i would think it would drive the price down
Why exactly would it drive the price down if it was graded GEM? Just curious why anyone would think that. Also, I've graded quite a few 1/1's. Mostly, as said before, for protection. If it looks like a 9(anything less I CAN see it hurting the value) why not put it in what boils down to the best protection you can have(or close to it).
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Thanks for the link, I had heard that never looked into it.

Does anyone know if that card ever surfaced to the public or does beckett still have it, probably graded the auto a 10 even though it runs off the bottom...LOL...who knows anymore!
Beckett gave the card away. They gave away at least 2/3 of the 1/1s from that break. I never saw the Tomlinson base card 1/1 given away, but I could be wrong.
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That was the right thing to do, give them away to people who spend thousands on high end product and did not hit anything worth a fark.
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Amazing this is a bigger same then the Bradford backdoor. It started with the Starsburg and continues. Just replace with rodgers the bananas garding co courtsey of someone on another site

What's the Bradford backdoor?
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Old 02-04-2011, 11:13 AM   #45 (permalink)
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This is just further proof that Beckett needs to be boycotted. I plan on letting 3 dozen eggs sit on my back porch in the summer sun for 2 months before the 2011 Chicago National Convention. Slinging them at the Beckett booth should get their attention, no?
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