BigBoydSportscards3 Shill bidding

[wheeler281]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

Thanks vikes. Saved me the time.

Here is a hint. Don't buy from Boyd if you think he is doing something shady.

Poeple piss and moan about the number of non bidders when they run their OMG Mojoz 20 auctions at a time.

How many non payers do you think he has on 1000's of auctions?

How many small brained and small genitalia keyboard warriors JUST from here at Blowout have created Ebay accounts to drive up Boyd's and not pay JUST to try to prove their point? I would say a few. Now multiply this by 20 forums.

Hell at one point here I had 94% bid history with a member here on Ebay. If people had seen this they would have called out this seller as well. He was selling things I wanted and I bought some.

Me? If he has something I want. I make a bid. If I win yay for me. If not then oh well.

True that. Haters are gonna hate Period.

/thread.

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by wheeler281

True that. Haters are gonna hate Period.

/thread.

If he is shilling people should know about it. Scammers love people who stand and do nothing. It only encourages scammers to keep doing it. And what are you a rapper? Haters gonna hate?

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by Jackg1980

If he is shilling people should know about it. Scammers love people who stand and do nothing. It only encourages scammers to keep doing it. And what are you a rapper? Haters gonna hate?

Ok please show me PROOF he is doing it.

Showing a listing that is "won" and relisted? Is that PROOF? What about all the non payers everyone here bitches about. Can't he have them?

Very high bid% of a buyer? Swag Cards says he buys a lot of stuff from Boyd. So he must be lying too?

How about I start a thread saying you buy tranny pron for your Aunt Edna? I have as much PROOF of that as you do about this.

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

Ok please show me PROOF he is doing it.

Showing a listing that is "won" and relisted? Is that PROOF? What about all the non payers everyone here bitches about. Can't he have them?

Very high bid% of a buyer? Swag Cards says he buys a lot of stuff from Boyd. So he must be lying too?

How about I start a thread saying you buy tranny pron for your Aunt Edna? I have as much PROOF of that as you do about this.

Who said I had proof. I said if there is then we should know. I was asking was him questions about some of his auctions because he did not answer them through ebay. Also what kind of proof would you need? Just saying if he is shilling we should know. Just like any other scammer/forger out there. We should ask question to help identify these people. Its not called bithing or moaning. Even tho the FBI stated up to 90% of autograph memorabilia is forge it is hard to get proof. It even took the FBI years or spying, undercover work ect... to get proof of these scams. So you really can not expect us to have proof.

[Jackg1980]

Not saying this does not happen but where is your proof of this?

"How many small brained and small genitalia keyboard warriors JUST from here at Blowout have created Ebay accounts to drive up Boyd's and not pay JUST to try to prove their point? I would say a few. Now multiply this by 20 forums."

Are you making assumptions?

[hugh]

Originally Posted by allday_vikes

not to defend BigBoyd, but Beckett's isn't??

Beckett prices are derived from ACTUAL sales reported by dealers, and from online auctions like ebay

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by hugh

Beckett prices are derived from ACTUAL sales reported by dealers, and from online auctions like ebay

Thank you Hugh.

[mcgahee21nfl]

Doesn't even f'n matter. He is clearly doing wrong. The f'd up practices in other markets only CONFIRMS that what he is doing is unethical.

BigBoyd has been known to fly at an angle for a lonnnnnng time now. Sad, he used to be legit back in the old AOL days. Now he's the furthest thing from it.

And yea, clearly stay away from him if you don't like what you've read, and continue to call action like this out. Why hasn't he answered where the Britney Spears and MJ values came from?

[tolrobb]

Originally Posted by Jackg1980

Who said I had proof. I said if there is then we should know. I was asking was him questions about some of his auctions because he did not answer them through ebay. Also what kind of proof would you need? Just saying if he is shilling we should know. Just like any other scammer/forger out there. We should ask question to help identify these people. Its not called bithing or moaning. Even tho the FBI stated up to 90% of autograph memorabilia is forge it is hard to get proof. It even took the FBI years or spying, undercover work ect... to get proof of these scams. So you really can not expect us to have proof.

The hole in that train of logic is that it would generally create a witch hunt. A thread like this should not be created with the title it has unless there is proof shown. What's to stop the next guy from creating the thread "Jackg1980 Shill bidding" and calling you out sans proof? It would be okay since they would just be "asking questions to identify these people"?

[wheeler281]

Originally Posted by hugh

Beckett prices are derived from ACTUAL sales reported by dealers, and from online auctions like ebay

That's what they want you to believe. I would like to see numbers on how many dealers reported. They put that propaganda out there to protect a ship that has sunk years ago

Originally Posted by mcgahee21nfl

Why hasn't he answered where the Britney Spears and MJ values came from?

Who cares what arbitrary value he puts on cards. It amazes me that is still an issue for a few

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by tolrobb

The hole in that train of logic is that it would generally create a witch hunt. A thread like this should not be created with the title it has unless there is proof shown. What's to stop the next guy from creating the thread "Jackg1980 Shill bidding" and calling you out sans proof? It would be okay since they would just be "asking questions to identify these people"?

I agree he should of worded it better but I did not make this thread. What do you need as proof? some will say a few suspicious listings while others want undercover work and video tapes.

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by wheeler281

That's what they want you to believe. I would like to see numbers on how many dealers reported. They put that propaganda out there to protect a ship that has sunk years ago

I know for sure that they at least went to dealers for price value. I knew a few.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by hugh

Beckett prices are derived from ACTUAL sales reported by dealers, and from online auctions like ebay

Wow...would you like to buy some oceanfront property in Nebraska I am selling?

[Zerokruel]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

Wow...would you like to buy some oceanfront property in Nebraska I am selling?

Only if it comes with a bridge!

[tolrobb]

Originally Posted by Jackg1980

I agree he should of worded it better but I did not make this thread. What do you need as proof? some will say a few suspicious listings while others want undercover work and video tapes.

Proof would be one singular instance of definite shill bidding. You'd think that with this guy selling thousands of items a day, someone would be able to show just once where it can not immediately be debunked. I've seen folks try, not one success.

[tolrobb]

Originally Posted by wheeler281

Who cares what arbitrary value he puts on cards. It amazes me that is still an issue for a few

Agreed. It's a lame marketing tactic and certainly shady, but not illegal.

[bigboyd3]

Originally Posted by Jackg1980

I agree he should of worded it better but I did not make this thread. What do you need as proof? some will say a few suspicious listings while others want undercover work and video tapes.

I swore on my kids we don't shill bid auctions, if that isn't proof for you then you must not have kids.. Not to mention I've answered all questions and provided screenshots FCB.. All questions have been answered somewhere in this thread or the FCB thread. If you want answers read the threads. I swear some of you just keep posting the same thing over and over again.. I'm done with this.

[FreeMan12406]

Originally Posted by bigboyd3

I swore on my kids we don't shill bid auctions, if that isn't proof for you then you must not have kids..

Well then it must be true!

I actually think we should except this statement as truth in all circumstances. When people are accused of crimes, drug addicts, anything! It will be great.

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by tolrobb

Proof would be one singular instance of definite shill bidding. You'd think that with this guy selling thousands of items a day, someone would be able to show just once where it can not immediately be debunked. I've seen folks try, not one success.

What would be considered proof? Give me an example? I read excuses for everything but the known scammers/forgers did the same thing. Gave excuses. Like I bought it from someone I didnt know, it was part of my dads collection, etc...

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by bigboyd3

I swore on my kids we don't shill bid auctions, if that isn't proof for you then you must not have kids.. Not to mention I've answered all questions and provided screenshots FCB.. All questions have been answered somewhere in this thread or the FCB thread. If you want answers read the threads. I swear some of you just keep posting the same thing over and over again.. I'm done with this.

I did not find an answer for this question.

Do you think a sport card dealer should be honest to the customer about the value/condition of any card before selling it? Simple yes or no question.

[bigboyd3]

Originally Posted by FreeMan12406

Well then it must be true!

I actually think we should except this statement as truth in all circumstances. When people are accused of crimes, drug addicts, anything! It will be great.

Well I have provided actual proof on all questions, that's more than you or anyone else has provided. I'm guessing you haven't read the FCB thread, but there are actual screenshots there. You all just make assumptions. I'm still shocked about the lack of common sense and maturity of some of the people on this forum.

[tolrobb]

Originally Posted by Jackg1980

What would be considered proof? Give me an example? I read excuses for everything but the known scammers/forgers did the same thing. Gave excuses. Like I bought it from someone I didnt know, it was part of my dads collection, etc...

C'mon man, there have been enough shill bidders exposed on this very forum for you to know what would constitute proof.

Nonetheless, how about just one instance where bigboyd can't come in here and respond with a perfectly viable explanation. he has shot down every accusation that i've seen so far and has brought more to the table than a "take my word for it".

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by Jackg1980

I did not find an answer for this question.

Do you think a sport card dealer should be honest to the customer about the value/condition of any card before selling it? Simple yes or no question.

Define honest. If I think my Jordan auto is worth $1000, $2000 or $5000 and I put that in my listing how am I not being honest?

Beckett values are not honest.

If I am bidding on something I know what it is worth to ME. If it's not high enough I don't win.

[bigboyd3]

Originally Posted by Jackg1980

I did not find an answer for this question.

Do you think a sport card dealer should be honest to the customer about the value/condition of any card before selling it? Simple yes or no question.

For the most part, we sell auctions. We don't know the value. The value of any item is what someone is willing to pay for it. Just out of curiosity, if you list an item with a fix price of $100 and someone buys it, but someone else has the same item listed for $60 are you going to email them and tell them the true value of the card is is $60 because they could have bought the item from someone else at that price? If you aren't listing the card for the price that the last one sold for then using your theory you are giving a false value for the card.

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

Define honest. If I think my Jordan auto is worth $1000, $2000 or $5000 and I put that in my listing how am I not being honest?

Beckett values are not honest.

If I am bidding on something I know what it is worth to ME. If it's not high enough I don't win.

Honest is not (making up) a unreasonable high value for the sole purpose of selling it for more money. Again Beckett values have a low and high book value and are not considered auction values. Tell me one card which SV is the same over a period of many sales. Not many. So SV has it share of problems also. If Boyd says he really believes those values are accurate then I understand. But the Spears sold to a non bidder for 400$ and he still has a value of 2500$. Is he still going to say he still truly believes its worth 2500$?