BigBoydSportscards3 Shill bidding

[Razorsharp79]

Justify this someone, or explain it to me please...swag's bidding practices...I don't have a dog in the hunt and could careless.

eBay.com Item Bid History

This 10 day auction had started and 17 minutes into it with a high bid of 10 bucks and you place a 488.77 bid?

[maggliofan01]

Originally Posted by SwagCards

Thank you for the mention! I acutally have over 126,000 cards on COMC right now (only 94,000+ different cards) and I have another 15,000 to be priced that will be available soon. Since I am talking about me, I want to point out that I am having a sale on COMC right now.

Year End COMC Sale - $800k+ in inventory

I think it is against the BLOWOUT rules to promote sales other than on here - like you have done here - Just letting you know that will probably be deleted

[Razorsharp79]

View topic - Is wolverine24 linked to bigboydsportscards @ Freedom Card Board

Some posts in this thread above are

what's up guys i recently sold a card to queencitysportscardz on ebay and when i received payment, which took nearly 10 days on a $6 card, the paypal name was wolverine24... just thought everyone should know...


^^Taken from a Hobby Kings thread.


queencity-sportscards
queencitysportscardz

Appears Queen Z is Wolverine and Queen S is Burge.

ANother post
As someone who used to be involved with Wolverine24 (then I got smart) I can guarantee you that Wolverine24 and bigboydsportscards are the same seller and same company. PLEASE beware of this seller and this company!

[ManInTheMirror]

Originally Posted by maggliofan01

I think it is against the BLOWOUT rules to promote sales other than on here - like you have done here - Just letting you know that will probably be deleted

Blowout and comc have a thing going...have you ever noticed the links under people's names to their comc accounts?

[allday_vikes]

Originally Posted by Razorsharp79

View topic - Is wolverine24 linked to bigboydsportscards @ Freedom Card Board

Some posts in this thread above are

what's up guys i recently sold a card to queencitysportscardz on ebay and when i received payment, which took nearly 10 days on a $6 card, the paypal name was wolverine24... just thought everyone should know...


^^Taken from a Hobby Kings thread.


queencity-sportscards
queencitysportscardz

Appears Queen Z is Wolverine and Queen S is Burge.

ANother post
As someone who used to be involved with Wolverine24 (then I got smart) I can guarantee you that Wolverine24 and bigboydsportscards are the same seller and same company. PLEASE beware of this seller and this company!

So is wolverine Bigboyd and swag his wife?? Humm and the plot thickens

[w.engelman]

To me it just seems that Swag and BigBoyd are either the same or partners. Swag sells the same inventory he has apparently legitimately won on COMC while BigBoyd sells on Ebay. If Swag wins the card he legitimately transfers money to a bank account that is joint and then post the card over on COMC. It seems legit but really isn't, why wouldn't BigBoyd also have an account on COMC? Why doesn't Swag sell on Ebay? Simple, because they are pretty much partners. IT is way worse then shilling but at the end of the day until there is cold hard evidence nothing can be done. It probably is a partner situation with both having employees that they tell to bid and buy on eachothers stuff to drive prices and the market up on stuff. This is just my opinion of what I have read and what I have seen myself, I haven't been doing this long but can see something just doesn't seem to add up. All you can do is put in a amount you want to pay on their stuff and if you don't win then move on.

[dbo808]

Originally Posted by w.engelman

To me it just seems that Swag and BigBoyd are either the same or partners. Swag sells the same inventory he has apparently legitimately won on COMC while BigBoyd sells on Ebay. If Swag wins the card he legitimately transfers money to a bank account that is joint and then post the card over on COMC. It seems legit but really isn't, why wouldn't BigBoyd also have an account on COMC? Why doesn't Swag sell on Ebay? Simple, because they are pretty much partners. IT is way worse then shilling but at the end of the day until there is cold hard evidence nothing can be done. It probably is a partner situation with both having employees that they tell to bid and buy on eachothers stuff to drive prices and the market up on stuff. This is just my opinion of what I have read and what I have seen myself, I haven't been doing this long but can see something just doesn't seem to add up. All you can do is put in a amount you want to pay on there stuff and if you don't win then move on.

Totally agree

[SacGWYNN19]

Regarding Swag, he says boyd ships directly to COMC and that is convenient for him. I guarantee he could pick up the same cards delivered for less and ship himself to COMC and pay at least 10% less than the "inflated" boyd prices. Really doesn't make any sense.

I'm not confirming there's a fire, but I definitely smell smoke.

[nflbackspace]

Originally Posted by Razorsharp79

View topic - Is wolverine24 linked to bigboydsportscards @ Freedom Card Board

Some posts in this thread above are

what's up guys i recently sold a card to queencitysportscardz on ebay and when i received payment, which took nearly 10 days on a $6 card, the paypal name was wolverine24... just thought everyone should know...


^^Taken from a Hobby Kings thread.


queencity-sportscards
queencitysportscardz

Appears Queen Z is Wolverine and Queen S is Burge.

ANother post


As someone who used to be involved with Wolverine24 (then I got smart) I can guarantee you that Wolverine24 and bigboydsportscards are the same seller and same company. PLEASE beware of this seller and this company!

I've pointed this out on quite a few occasions just by watching the same auctions over the last few years for my PC. Very very very identical selling patterns and problems with patches, shills and fake autos. There are very few high volume card dealers in that region. Wolverine had ties to Dayton. Queencity in Cinci. Where is bigboyd? Good luck finding their stores, I went looking for fun on a few occasions.

[bigboyd3]

Originally Posted by w.engelman

To me it just seems that Swag and BigBoyd are either the same or partners. Swag sells the same inventory he has apparently legitimately won on COMC while BigBoyd sells on Ebay. If Swag wins the card he legitimately transfers money to a bank account that is joint and then post the card over on COMC. It seems legit but really isn't, why wouldn't BigBoyd also have an account on COMC? Why doesn't Swag sell on Ebay? Simple, because they are pretty much partners. IT is way worse then shilling but at the end of the day until there is cold hard evidence nothing can be done. It probably is a partner situation with both having employees that they tell to bid and buy on eachothers stuff to drive prices and the market up on stuff. This is just my opinion of what I have read and what I have seen myself, I haven't been doing this long but can see something just doesn't seem to add up. All you can do is put in a amount you want to pay on their stuff and if you don't win then move on.

Really? Another intelligent mind on these boards.. Yes, everything is one big conspiracy... We don't have an account on COMC because I don't want to pay them 20%+ in fees. Did research on the site and it is not for me and my business plan. Really don't need to explain my business to anyone. I obviously work with a lot of different people in the business buying and selling to keep up our extensive inventory, but I am not directly affiliated with any other sports card business - past or present.

Terry

[HadWayTooMuch]

All I have to say is this thread is an interesting read.

[ManInTheMirror]

Originally Posted by bigboyd3

I've decided to stop responding to all the negative attacks.

Once a liar, always a...

[SacGWYNN19]

Originally Posted by bigboyd3

Really? Another intelligent mind on these boards.. Yes, everything is one big conspiracy... We don't have an account on COMC because I don't want to pay them 20%+ in fees. Did research on the site and it is not for me and my business plan. Really don't need to explain my business to anyone. I obviously work with a lot of different people in the business buying and selling to keep up our extensive inventory, but I am not directly affiliated with any other sports card business - past or present.

Terry

LOL, didn't need to tell us!

[fullmetal]

If I were Mr. Boyd I would request registration information for several of the posters on this site and consider a libel suit.

Children: You must realize that your school yard banter has real world implications.

[allday_vikes]

Originally Posted by fullmetal

If I were Mr. Boyd I would request registration information for several of the posters on this site and consider a libel suit.

Children: You must realize that your school yard banter has real world implications.

But, but, what if everything turn out true?!! What then?!! lol

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by allday_vikes

But, but, what if everything turn out true?!! What then?!! lol

Then you can prove it to the judge you are brought before.

[HadWayTooMuch]

Originally Posted by allday_vikes

But, but, what if everything turn out true?!! What then?!! lol

Interesting question.

Let's just pretend legal action was pursued and those being served decide to do serious investigation to prevent the legal action.

This, in theory, could open up a whole mess of problems.

It's very interesting actually. I don't know any of the parties involved so I have no clue who is or isn't doing things wrong. But I do know if you pursue legal action, you had best be 100% clean.

[w.engelman]

Originally Posted by bigboyd3

Really? Another intelligent mind on these boards.. Yes, everything is one big conspiracy... We don't have an account on COMC because I don't want to pay them 20%+ in fees. Did research on the site and it is not for me and my business plan. Really don't need to explain my business to anyone. I obviously work with a lot of different people in the business buying and selling to keep up our extensive inventory, but I am not directly affiliated with any other sports card business - past or present.

Terry

I am not saying anything is a conspiracy, what I am saying is you aren't dumb, obviously, or wouldn't do as well as you do. What I am also saying is that it's ignorant to think with the Mass quantity of inventory that you have that you would only use one avenue to sell those cards. If it doesn't sell on ebay, then try a different market where you don't have to let it take up space (COMC). It doesn't take a brain-child to figure out there are other places to sell cards if they are not selling on Ebay, so why not use any avenue available to sell inventory that would be completely ignorant. I applaud you at trying to protect your reputation on here, and I will do what most people do and that is bid on something that I want and if I lose then I will move on to another auction. Come on though, you don't have to keep on trying to defend yourself it isn't going to matter, have you been reading what is on this thread and another. The judgement has already been determined and that is "you are apparently using shady methods to make money" pretty simple.

[bigboyd3]

Originally Posted by fullmetal

If I were Mr. Boyd I would request registration information for several of the posters on this site and consider a libel suit.

Children: You must realize that your school yard banter has real world implications.

Don't give them that much credit, they have no real world implications. Not even sure I can file suit against a minor for libel? I'm assuming this thread will ultimately get deleted just like the last one anyway wiping out all evidence.

[coltsfan23]

Originally Posted by w.engelman

What I am also saying is that it's ignorant to think with the Mass quantity of inventory that you have that you would only use one avenue to sell those cards. If it doesn't sell on ebay, then try a different market where you don't have to let it take up space (COMC). It doesn't take a brain-child to figure out there are other places to sell cards if they are not selling on Ebay, so why not use any avenue available to sell inventory that would be completely ignorant.

Terry already addressed this; for the type of cards he sells, it would make little business sense to do that. For one, most of his inventory are higher-end items, which Ebay is invariably better than COMC, both on a revenue basis and profit basis. Two, his business model revolves around turnover; Ebay auctions obviously have far greater turnover than COMC does.

Overall, I've found this thread to be quite telling of a number of things. Personally, I think Mr. Boyd has defended himself well. However, the whole debate is largely irrelevant. Bid the amount you want and if you lose, so be it. Move on to the next cards; there's plenty of supply in this market.

[golferphil]

Originally Posted by bigboyd3

Don't give them that much credit, they have no real world implications. Not even sure I can file suit against a minor for libel? I'm assuming this thread will ultimately get deleted just like the last one anyway wiping out all evidence.

I imagine that the thread deletion has (an will have) a lot to do with potential libel. As the host of the forum, I would think that any type of libel/slander would be a big pain in the ass for them as well.

I have bought cards from you before as BIN/BO and never had any problems. I agree that some of you auctions look fishy, but I have to ask everyone - what can someone do to prove they are NOT shilling?

[Army19K]

Originally Posted by fullmetal

If I were Mr. Boyd I would request registration information for several of the posters on this site and consider a libel suit.

Children: You must realize that your school yard banter has real world implications.

Like the court system isn't tied up enough with crap, libel suits are very tough to prove, you have to show where you were damaged financially by what was writen/spoken, then you have to chase people down all over the country, THEN even if you do win, you most likely won't collect a dime anyways. There is no way that what a few posts on some message board will ever even come close to meeting the qualifications of a libel suit.

[w.engelman]

Originally Posted by fullmetal

If I were Mr. Boyd I would request registration information for several of the posters on this site and consider a libel suit.

Children: You must realize that your school yard banter has real world implications.

You must be talking about Defamation because you have to show financial damage for antything to be libel and if anything, this thread has probably helped with driving traffic to his auctions. The same people that complain about the shilling are the same ones who bid, lose, and get mad. If its Defamation you are talking about, then that has been going both ways, as plenty of slanderous remarks have been made towards people's intelligence and age.

Thanks for listening

[avjp87]

fullmetal, you are a moron.

And even worse, you have the best genre of music in your name.

[SwagCards]

Originally Posted by rletlow

I didn't bring you into the discussion. I didn't even know who you were. eBay hides the identify of each bidder. I singled out a single auction I was bidding on and you just happened to be the one bidding on his items exclusively. You are the one who came on here and told us who you were. I still believe if you are such a high volume seller, you would try to find better deals.

This is just my opinion based on the facts presented to me by researching bidding patterns.

I apologize, only part of my response was really directed at your original post and then I kept rambling halfway responding to other posts and halfway just talking.