Thoughts on Von Miller...sell or hold?

ninjacookies · 07-05-2012, 06:35 PM

Just curious what you guys thought. I have a few of his NT /99's right now, but unsure whether he's a sell or hold. Of course Broncos have Manning now, but I'm not sure how they could help Miller's hype unless the team as a whole goes deep into the playoffs or goes on an epic winning streak like the packers.

Miller is a beast but seems like the hobby just doesn't really appreciate defensive players as much these days. Think there's still room for growth in the hobby with this guy?

Thanks in advance

lennox.p · 07-05-2012, 07:11 PM

i need one plmk your price!

friarbolt · 07-05-2012, 07:19 PM

Little room for growth IMO. Like you said defensive players get no love, and the issue with Miller is that he has none of the features going for him that make those rare defensive guys actually valuable.

He's not a DB and for whatever reason the top defensive guys in terms of popularity tend to be DB's like Troy Polamalu and Darrelle Revis.

He also has signed a ton of cards. Most guys like Charles Woodson get crazy hobby love because they have very few autographed cards.

He also isn't coming out of nowhere, his value and hype were already up due to being a really good prospect and a really high draft pick. So you don't have the come out of nowhere style emergence that can really spike values.

I'd wait to see if they can find some success with Manning, but as soon as they start winning and it's Manning talk all over the news, dump them.

CardCollector · 07-05-2012, 09:54 PM

Sell. Defensive players dont really hold or keep much value. The top Defensive players rareley bring much anyways. sell them now!

Oilngo · 07-05-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CardCollector

Sell. Defensive players dont really hold or keep much value. The top Defensive players rareley bring much anyways. sell them now!

Bingo! Sell now if your trying to make money or whatnot.

dgamboa · 07-05-2012, 10:57 PM

Sell! the next time his prices will inflate is if he becomes Super Bowl MVP or gets elected to the HOF

MJDisMAN · 07-05-2012, 11:04 PM

Hold if you have a few of those cards because you like the player, why not hold them. He is a beast and unless becomes injury prone, he will have an excellent career in the NFL.

Sell if you want to make money because like the last guy said, the next time his cards go up is when he wins Super Bowl MVP, HOFer or turns into a white guy with long blonde hair and changes his number to #52.

CardCollector · 07-05-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dgamboa

Sell! the next time his prices will inflate is if he becomes Super Bowl MVP or gets elected to the HOF

Ding Ding Ding! Bingo. It takes alot to sell for more. Honestly, the player dieing is the best chance of the cards really going up. Its a terrible thing, but it escalates the cards prices?

Clarka3 · 07-06-2012, 02:17 AM

#@#@#@#@, let me know when you move some of them.

gabebroncos · 07-06-2012, 03:04 AM

i mean i collect the guy and to sell now would be the worst time, this kid is an absolute raw specimen that got 11.5 sacks in 12 games then an injury.

all of his sacks came off of pure skill and talent where some say he has yet to learn a lot of techniques (aka a very large ceiling off of his already great career)

the guy missed no tackles in his rookie season

runs as fast as larry fitzgerald

oh and not to mention he did all of this with no training camps or OTA's

IMO the road for him is going to be legendary and itll reward the ones who held on to his cards too

for those nimrods saying defense doesnt hold value let alone the linebacker position i got two letters for you: L and T baby

Srt42004n · 07-06-2012, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by MJDisMAN

Hold if you have a few of those cards because you like the player, why not hold them. He is a beast and unless becomes injury prone, he will have an excellent career in the NFL.

Sell if you want to make money because like the last guy said, the next time his cards go up is when he wins Super Bowl MVP, HOFer or turns into a white guy with long blonde hair and changes his number to #52.

Well Marrying a Kardashian would increase his value just ask Kris Humphries

blevins26 · 07-06-2012, 05:49 AM

I would hold for now. I think this year he'll get more exposure and his hobby value will increase. #52 on NFL top 100 as a rookie. He's a beast but, despite being NFL Def ROY, he doesn't have the street cred of a Clay Mathews just yet.

I'm expecting his play to continue to rise this year. Manning will certainly help his value. Teams with high powered offenses force the opposing offense to pass more, which gives more opportunities for sacks and ints.

Look for him to pop in value around mid-season. I would say hold for now but sell when that happens. Once the hype hits, his card values will peak. While most defensive players' cards don't have as much value as offensive guys, they can still go up in value once they get a little buzz.

TheHelmutt · 07-06-2012, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MJDisMAN

Sell ... the next time his cards go up is when he wins Super Bowl MVP, HOFer or turns into a white guy with long blonde hair and changes his number to #52.

Lol, great way to start the morning.
I'd sell some and keep the ones you like.

CardCollector · 07-06-2012, 09:32 AM

Second year defensive player value will not increase. Who is the best defender in the entire league? Maybe Darrelle Revis? What do his patches sell for ? $10 if your lucky, usually less. His autos, not much more. Defensive players do not hold there value. Sell them before his value drops even more

texastank · 07-06-2012, 09:35 AM

yea i would say sell as well but keep the nicer looking ones for urself

Drdduet · 07-06-2012, 11:35 AM

Check out the values on Mario Williams's stuff, his highest prices were when he first came into the league. Even after an awesome career, another couple of solid seasons will get him into the Hall, his card value dwindles.

Say Von Miller is the next LT, just wait another 8 years or so and you'll get these cards for $20.

bbplaya11 · 07-06-2012, 12:56 PM

I would sell now, I sold my shield right after he won d~roy and I got bank

superynaldo · 07-06-2012, 01:14 PM

SELL... you will be able to get them back cheap in the future...

crac0018 · 07-06-2012, 02:26 PM

Pertty much agree with everyone else. Would you be happy if he's as productive as other recent Pro Bowl LBs like Terrell Suggs, Jerod Mayo, Jon Beason, Lance Briggs, or even Broncos great Tom Jackson? Look up their recent eBay sales and if you're happy with what you see then take take a chance.

The other poster who mentioned death as a factor for propping prices is correct, assuming the player had a great career. Look at what posthumous values have been on Derrick Thomas and Reggie White.

Razorsharp79 · 07-06-2012, 02:45 PM

I do not see the point in picking these /99 up. To me when something can be had easily it is not worth having at all. I can go to ebay and complete the whole set today if I wanted to complete it. I would rather pay up and go after the /5 or /25 that will be harder to find down the road. That IMO is the better flip, cards that never show their head but once a year or two.

And I would sell this season, go after lower # stuff personally

07-05-2012, 06:35 PM	#1 (permalink)
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: West Coast, formerly Mother Russia Posts: 3,894	Thoughts on Von Miller...sell or hold? Just curious what you guys thought. I have a few of his NT /99's right now, but unsure whether he's a sell or hold. Of course Broncos have Manning now, but I'm not sure how they could help Miller's hype unless the team as a whole goes deep into the playoffs or goes on an epic winning streak like the packers. Miller is a beast but seems like the hobby just doesn't really appreciate defensive players as much these days. Think there's still room for growth in the hobby with this guy? Thanks in advance

07-05-2012, 07:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
friarbolt Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: California Posts: 6,476 kramerattack	Little room for growth IMO. Like you said defensive players get no love, and the issue with Miller is that he has none of the features going for him that make those rare defensive guys actually valuable. He's not a DB and for whatever reason the top defensive guys in terms of popularity tend to be DB's like Troy Polamalu and Darrelle Revis. He also has signed a ton of cards. Most guys like Charles Woodson get crazy hobby love because they have very few autographed cards. He also isn't coming out of nowhere, his value and hype were already up due to being a really good prospect and a really high draft pick. So you don't have the come out of nowhere style emergence that can really spike values. I'd wait to see if they can find some success with Manning, but as soon as they start winning and it's Manning talk all over the news, dump them. __________________ Supercollecting Josh Johnson (University of San Diego, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Cincinnati Bengals) Collecting Chargers, Padres, Packers, Lakers, University of San Diego alumni My Bucket, always selling and trading: http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/kramerattack/library/

07-05-2012, 09:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
CardCollector Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: OH Posts: 6,199 Cardcollector12	Sell. Defensive players dont really hold or keep much value. The top Defensive players rareley bring much anyways. sell them now! __________________ Buying Current Warriors!! Main want is STEPH CURRY, Klay Thompson & Harrison Barnes! PM ME!!

07-06-2012, 02:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
Clarka3 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 7,604 Clarka3	#@#@#@#@, let me know when you move some of them. __________________ THE Luke Kuechly Super Collector pending: JK-Amsterdam (8 lot), BillyClapper (2 ET), 03cobrakid (DMac)

07-06-2012, 09:32 AM	#14 (permalink)
CardCollector Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: OH Posts: 6,199 Cardcollector12	Second year defensive player value will not increase. Who is the best defender in the entire league? Maybe Darrelle Revis? What do his patches sell for ? $10 if your lucky, usually less. His autos, not much more. Defensive players do not hold there value. Sell them before his value drops even more __________________ Buying Current Warriors!! Main want is STEPH CURRY, Klay Thompson & Harrison Barnes! PM ME!!

07-05-2012, 07:11 PM	#2 (permalink)
lennox.p Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 149	i need one plmk your price!

07-05-2012, 10:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
dgamboa Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 235	Sell! the next time his prices will inflate is if he becomes Super Bowl MVP or gets elected to the HOF

07-05-2012, 11:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
MJDisMAN Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 441	Hold if you have a few of those cards because you like the player, why not hold them. He is a beast and unless becomes injury prone, he will have an excellent career in the NFL. Sell if you want to make money because like the last guy said, the next time his cards go up is when he wins Super Bowl MVP, HOFer or turns into a white guy with long blonde hair and changes his number to #52.

07-06-2012, 03:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
gabebroncos Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Schenectady Posts: 271 gaborilla7	i mean i collect the guy and to sell now would be the worst time, this kid is an absolute raw specimen that got 11.5 sacks in 12 games then an injury. all of his sacks came off of pure skill and talent where some say he has yet to learn a lot of techniques (aka a very large ceiling off of his already great career) the guy missed no tackles in his rookie season runs as fast as larry fitzgerald oh and not to mention he did all of this with no training camps or OTA's IMO the road for him is going to be legendary and itll reward the ones who held on to his cards too for those nimrods saying defense doesnt hold value let alone the linebacker position i got two letters for you: L and T baby

07-06-2012, 05:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
blevins26 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 467 blevins26	I would hold for now. I think this year he'll get more exposure and his hobby value will increase. #52 on NFL top 100 as a rookie. He's a beast but, despite being NFL Def ROY, he doesn't have the street cred of a Clay Mathews just yet. I'm expecting his play to continue to rise this year. Manning will certainly help his value. Teams with high powered offenses force the opposing offense to pass more, which gives more opportunities for sacks and ints. Look for him to pop in value around mid-season. I would say hold for now but sell when that happens. Once the hype hits, his card values will peak. While most defensive players' cards don't have as much value as offensive guys, they can still go up in value once they get a little buzz.

07-06-2012, 09:35 AM	#15 (permalink)
texastank Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: TEXAS Posts: 27	yea i would say sell as well but keep the nicer looking ones for urself __________________ PC: Texas Stars: Kevin Durant, Nolan Ryan, David Robinson, RGIII

07-06-2012, 11:35 AM	#16 (permalink)
Drdduet Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 807	Check out the values on Mario Williams's stuff, his highest prices were when he first came into the league. Even after an awesome career, another couple of solid seasons will get him into the Hall, his card value dwindles. Say Von Miller is the next LT, just wait another 8 years or so and you'll get these cards for $20.

07-06-2012, 12:56 PM	#17 (permalink)
bbplaya11 Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: boston, MA Posts: 1,832 bbplaya	I would sell now, I sold my shield right after he won d~roy and I got bank __________________ http://bbplaya.webs.com COLLECTING Courtney Lee Brandon Lafell

07-06-2012, 01:14 PM	#18 (permalink)
superynaldo Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: The Woodlands, TX Posts: 2,660	SELL... you will be able to get them back cheap in the future...

07-06-2012, 02:26 PM	#19 (permalink)
crac0018 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Jax, FL Posts: 161 crac0018	Pertty much agree with everyone else. Would you be happy if he's as productive as other recent Pro Bowl LBs like Terrell Suggs, Jerod Mayo, Jon Beason, Lance Briggs, or even Broncos great Tom Jackson? Look up their recent eBay sales and if you're happy with what you see then take take a chance. The other poster who mentioned death as a factor for propping prices is correct, assuming the player had a great career. Look at what posthumous values have been on Derrick Thomas and Reggie White.

07-06-2012, 02:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
Razorsharp79 Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,752	I do not see the point in picking these /99 up. To me when something can be had easily it is not worth having at all. I can go to ebay and complete the whole set today if I wanted to complete it. I would rather pay up and go after the /5 or /25 that will be harder to find down the road. That IMO is the better flip, cards that never show their head but once a year or two. And I would sell this season, go after lower # stuff personally

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