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Old 09-12-2012, 10:51 PM   #26 (permalink)
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He doesn't have anywhere near the natural ability Moss has, I used to collect Moss as well
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jeffrey is big, but he's not fast at all for a WR so I don't see him ever becoming a stud, possibly a possession guy and a redzone threat, but not high-ceiling
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I like Jeffery.

I watched the game from start to finish and even replayed several plays with the DVR option.

Tough to put up 41 points and look like total crap. Unfortunately that is what Cutler looked like. Completely average, nothing elite, not even close to being accurate. I love the Bears but I saw the same QB who in preseason couldn't hit the broad side of the barn against the Giants. I think he targeted brandon marshall 13 times on sunday and he seems to be still loyal to his buddy Earl Bennett. The TE is non-existent which I feel will change tomorrow. I would probably sell now, it is a WR who will never get that big game (unlike stephen hill for example on a team with no identity) to cash in at the height of the hype. Also, he will not get many red zone targets. It will be brandon Marshall, TEs and the vulture, Michael Bush....so he won't be piling up TDs during the season unless he gets behind the defense and catches a bomb...which he did against a pitiful defense in the Colts with a big lead and Cutler got lucky that he threw the ball well. Difficult to repeat that against the Packers IMO.

Best of luck with whatever you decide to do my friend.
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jeffrey is big, but he's not fast at all for a WR so I don't see him ever becoming a stud, possibly a possession guy and a redzone threat, but not high-ceiling
Yes. He's is fast. Very very fast. Maybe not for the first ten yards but from 10-40 yards he's a fast as most receivers out there
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:30 AM   #31 (permalink)
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RE: Alshon's speed

Jeffery's 40 yard dash at his Pro Day went like this:
10 yard split - 1.64
20 yard split - 2.63
40 yard split - 4.48

10 to 20 yards - 0.99 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.85 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.84 seconds

I know you're wondering what my point is here. Look at Alshon's 10 yard split, it's VERY slow for a WR. Which is why I've made the point again and again that he doesn't possess great initial burst. He builds up speed. For a smaller WR, this would be an issue but on the vast majority of the routes that need burst, Alshon's big body, physicality and great hands will allow him to make the catch even with a defender on him.

Here's where it gets very interesting. Some have wondered how Alshon is such an effective intermediate to deep threat despite not looking fast on tape. I've always said that he has deceptive deep speed due to his long strides and I'm going to attempt to confirm that.

Julio Jones:
10 yard split - 1.50
20 yard split - 2.47
40 yard split - 4.34

10 to 20 yards - 0.97 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.87 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.84 seconds

Percy Harvin:
10 yard split - 1.47
20 yard split - 2.51
40 yard split - 4.39

10 to 20 yards - 1.04 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.88 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.92 seconds

DeSean Jackson:
10 yard split - 1.53
20 yard split - 2.52
40 yard split - 4.35

10 to 20 yards - 0.99 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.83 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.82 seconds

What I'm attempting to show here is that once Alshon is up to speed, surprisingly, he's actually quite fast. He takes time to build up to speed but from the 10 yard mark to the finish, he was faster than Percy Harvin, tied with Julio Jones and only .02 seconds slower than DeSean Jackson.

Here are some similarly sized WRs with similar 40s(4.46 to 4.51) to show that this isn't a normal thing for big WRs:
Hakeem Nicks:
10 yard split - 1.52
20 yard split - 2.60
40 yard split - 4.51

10 to 20 yards - 1.08 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.91 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.99 seconds

Kenny Britt:
10 yard split - 1.56
20 yard split - 2.62
40 yard split - 4.50

10 to 20 yards - 1.06 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.88 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.94 seconds

Carlton Mitchell:
10 yard split - 1.52
20 yard split - 2.60
40 yard split - 4.46

10 to 20 yards - 1.08 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.86 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.94 seconds

AJ Green:
10 yard split - 1.55
20 yard split - 2.53
40 yard split - 4.48

10 to 20 yards - 0.98 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.95 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.93 seconds

Jonathan Baldwin:
10 yard split - 1.58
20 yard split - 2.57
40 yard split - 4.49

10 to 20 yards - 0.99 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.92 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.91 seconds

Limas Sweed:
10 yard split - 1.54
20 yard split - 2.62
40 yard split - 4.48

10 to 20 yards - 1.08 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.86 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.94 seconds

Justin Blackmon:
10 yard split - 1.53
20 yard split - 2.60
40 yard split - 4.46

10 to 20 yards - 1.07 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.86 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.93 seconds

What am I saying? Alshon doesn't have burst but he has great build up speed. Those saying he's possession WR and chain mover are pretty much stating the opposite of what his strengths are. His speed translates to attacking the intermediate and deep areas of a defense because once he reaches his top end speed, he's fast
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NFL Forum :: - Is Alshon Jeffery's deep speed underrated?
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RE: Alshon's speed

Jeffery's 40 yard dash at his Pro Day went like this:
10 yard split - 1.64
20 yard split - 2.63
40 yard split - 4.48

10 to 20 yards - 0.99 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.85 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.84 seconds

I know you're wondering what my point is here. Look at Alshon's 10 yard split, it's VERY slow for a WR. Which is why I've made the point again and again that he doesn't possess great initial burst. He builds up speed. For a smaller WR, this would be an issue but on the vast majority of the routes that need burst, Alshon's big body, physicality and great hands will allow him to make the catch even with a defender on him.

Here's where it gets very interesting. Some have wondered how Alshon is such an effective intermediate to deep threat despite not looking fast on tape. I've always said that he has deceptive deep speed due to his long strides and I'm going to attempt to confirm that.

Julio Jones:
10 yard split - 1.50
20 yard split - 2.47
40 yard split - 4.34

10 to 20 yards - 0.97 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.87 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.84 seconds

Percy Harvin:
10 yard split - 1.47
20 yard split - 2.51
40 yard split - 4.39

10 to 20 yards - 1.04 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.88 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.92 seconds

DeSean Jackson:
10 yard split - 1.53
20 yard split - 2.52
40 yard split - 4.35

10 to 20 yards - 0.99 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.83 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.82 seconds

What I'm attempting to show here is that once Alshon is up to speed, surprisingly, he's actually quite fast. He takes time to build up to speed but from the 10 yard mark to the finish, he was faster than Percy Harvin, tied with Julio Jones and only .02 seconds slower than DeSean Jackson.

Here are some similarly sized WRs with similar 40s(4.46 to 4.51) to show that this isn't a normal thing for big WRs:
Hakeem Nicks:
10 yard split - 1.52
20 yard split - 2.60
40 yard split - 4.51

10 to 20 yards - 1.08 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.91 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.99 seconds

Kenny Britt:
10 yard split - 1.56
20 yard split - 2.62
40 yard split - 4.50

10 to 20 yards - 1.06 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.88 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.94 seconds

Carlton Mitchell:
10 yard split - 1.52
20 yard split - 2.60
40 yard split - 4.46

10 to 20 yards - 1.08 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.86 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.94 seconds

AJ Green:
10 yard split - 1.55
20 yard split - 2.53
40 yard split - 4.48

10 to 20 yards - 0.98 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.95 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.93 seconds

Jonathan Baldwin:
10 yard split - 1.58
20 yard split - 2.57
40 yard split - 4.49

10 to 20 yards - 0.99 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.92 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.91 seconds

Limas Sweed:
10 yard split - 1.54
20 yard split - 2.62
40 yard split - 4.48

10 to 20 yards - 1.08 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.86 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.94 seconds

Justin Blackmon:
10 yard split - 1.53
20 yard split - 2.60
40 yard split - 4.46

10 to 20 yards - 1.07 seconds
20 to 40 yards - 1.86 seconds
10 to 40 yards - 2.93 seconds

What am I saying? Alshon doesn't have burst but he has great build up speed. Those saying he's possession WR and chain mover are pretty much stating the opposite of what his strengths are. His speed translates to attacking the intermediate and deep areas of a defense because once he reaches his top end speed, he's fast
Wowwwww I literally just posted these same numbers not realizing you posted them as well lol. Maybe people will see he really is actually fast. Where did you get the information?
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NFL Videos: Bears pick Alshon Jeffery No. 45

go watch this, perfect example of what I was going to say, his pro-day was the fastest he's been in years, if that's really going to be his playing weight and he's really going to maintain that AND still be big and strong or whatever then kudos for no longer being a fatass alshon "jeffreys" according to the stellar commentator

i mean no dis-respect, but when you put up those times that's a terrible argument because everyone that watched college football knew he wasn't fast for a WR, I honestly was floored by those numbers, it made me feel a lot better knowing I wasn't crazy since he never once ran that fast in a football game in his entire life
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Yes. He's is fast. Very very fast. Maybe not for the first ten yards but from 10-40 yards he's a fast as most receivers out there
i already responded to this, but really, "he's very fast", come on bro, his entire draft profile says how he ISN'T FAST

Jeffery enjoyed highly productive sophomore and junior years at South Carolina, where he was a first-team All-America selection and averaged over a touchdown a game. He is an explosive jumper with an impressive frame and has the ability to be an immediate red-zone threat in the NFL. He is a long strider who is methodical in his route running but has just average speed. He relies on technique and variations in his speed.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Jeffery is a lanky prospect who uses his size well to make plays on the ball downfield. He has a massive pair of hands to go with his long arms and is an elite receiver once the ball is in the air. He has the anticipation and jumping ability to high point the ball over nearly any corner he faces. Off the line of scrimmage, he is non-explosive but uses his hands and a subtle jab step to keep defenders at bay. He can work into his route and get back on top of his defender after beating a jam. He will be a prime candidate for back-shoulder fades in the red zone.
WEAKNESSES Jeffery is an elite jump-ball prospect, but he does not stand out as fast on tape and is such a long strider that at times he looks to be moving in slow motion. Speed will never be his game, but he needs to become more comfortable in his routes to work the corner and truly gain separation. The development of his route-running skills will be the key to his success. Jeffery was bit uncoordinated early in his career and only began to look comfortable in his body toward the end of his collegiate career.

oh and lastly, he is a physical beast on a top 15 team with steve freaking spurrier as his coach and he wasn't even taken in the first round, stephen hill whose team ran the option was drafted ahead of him and some guy from APPALACHIAN STATE that NONE OF US have ever heard of was taken ahead
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He is the 'blowout' option......he isn't the "comeback" or "key catch" guy.

With the schedule including: GB, GB, Det, Det, SF, Hou, Dal, Car, Tenn........I see more comebacks than blowouts.
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idk i just posted numbers I found from an article. I like the guy and everything you read about him this pre-season he did nothing but bust his ass. He wasn't even gonna go to the rookie premier b/c he was working preparing for the season until he was made to go by the NFLPA. He's a rookie how many rookies start off as the key catch guy, I think he has a chance to have a top 5 rookie season.

then again I'm a die hard Bears fan
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idk i just posted numbers I found from an article. I like the guy and everything you read about him this pre-season he did nothing but bust his ass. He wasn't even gonna go to the rookie premier b/c he was working preparing for the season until he was made to go by the NFLPA. He's a rookie how many rookies start off as the key catch guy, I think he has a chance to have a top 5 rookie season.

then again I'm a die hard Bears fan
i don't think he's BAD, i think he was one of the top receivers coming out in pedigree and the biggest knock was always his speed, so if he really made himself faster by losing weight and he stays at that weight and everything else stays the same then he could be better than he was projected to be, there was never a knock on his route-running or jumping ability, but i am just really confused by people saying how "fast" he is because as a college football fan I saw a lot of him and when a guy is that big of a name and puts up great stats then goes in the 2nd round when most casual fans think he's going to be a top 10 pick (like blackmon), there has to be something missing and it wasn't off-the-field issues, it was his natural ability...lack of speed

also note that in no real-world situation is a receiver going to be running at full speed 40 yards down the field in a straight line to get open, the fact that he doesn't have the initial burst will always be expounded to the nth degree on all of his routes, i can promise you one thing, there is no situation where he is faster than percy harvin, not in a five yard dash, not in a crawl, not in a sack race, not in checkers, not in brushing his teeth, he is what he is...a big possession and red-zone threat, here's to hoping he gets the most out of it
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Yes he wasnt drafted in the first round this year because of an off season after putting on weight and poor quarterback play. He was slow this past season and that's what scout were going off of. He has lost a substantial amount of weight and hopefully he keeps it down. I mean he was being talked about as being drafted with AJ Green and Julio if he would have been able to come out after his sophomore season. I was dreaming for the past two year for the bears to draft him and when he fell to us in the second I couldn't be happier. All I can really say is numbers don't lie and he is very close in speed times with many considered "fast" receivers and even faster than some. So as long as he keeps the weight down I don't see why he can't consistently run those times. It's not like they were made up.
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Whoa guys, god forbid the guy didn't know Alshon Jefferey was in finest and inception...Jesus, do you like making yourselves look like the biggest nerds on the planet
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Anyone has a chance to be "Big Time". I'd hold it.
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My guess is cutler throws for 265 tonight, he gets 50 if he is lucky. That isn't big time nor is that a 'key' receiver.
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I like Jeffery.

I watched the game from start to finish and even replayed several plays with the DVR option.

Tough to put up 41 points and look like total crap. Unfortunately that is what Cutler looked like. Completely average, nothing elite, not even close to being accurate. I love the Bears but I saw the same QB who in preseason couldn't hit the broad side of the barn against the Giants. I think he targeted brandon marshall 13 times on sunday and he seems to be still loyal to his buddy Earl Bennett. The TE is non-existent which I feel will change tomorrow. I would probably sell now, it is a WR who will never get that big game (unlike stephen hill for example on a team with no identity) to cash in at the height of the hype. Also, he will not get many red zone targets. It will be brandon Marshall, TEs and the vulture, Michael Bush....so he won't be piling up TDs during the season unless he gets behind the defense and catches a bomb...which he did against a pitiful defense in the Colts with a big lead and Cutler got lucky that he threw the ball well. Difficult to repeat that against the Packers IMO.

Best of luck with whatever you decide to do my friend.
Considering he went 20 for 25 and 300 yards and 2 touchdowns after starting 1 for 10 and a pick, I would consider him very accurate. Even Some of the incompletions were balls that he threw in very tight windows where only the receiver could have got to it. When cutler has time to plant his feet and throw downfield, I think he is one of the most accurate QBs in the league and could be elite
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Jeffrey was fast in Under Armor compression gear, he plays much (relatively speaking) with pads on. I think the guy has potential, but I don't think he has the raw athleticism of say Brandon Marshall or even Miles Austin.
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Considering he went 20 for 25 and 300 yards and 2 touchdowns after starting 1 for 10 and a pick, I would consider him very accurate. Even Some of the incompletions were balls that he threw in very tight windows where only the receiver could have got to it. When cutler has time to plant his feet and throw downfield, I think he is one of the most accurate QBs in the league and could be elite

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Hardly elite with that head case throwing it to him, he will have better games but not by much. I think the TE was targeted 5 times tonight.
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how many times did cutler look his way tonight 2-3 times, yet he targeted marshall 15 times and caught what 1 pass...and was in double coverage all night, that was smart of him.

He is not an elite QB, not even in the top 20 IMO. His first option is not open he panics and looks lost...worst QB performance I have ever seen in my life. put anyone in coach lovie, ANYONE...
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