Retraced auto or just bad auto?

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by Idol

Wow didn't even notice this thread. Thanks PDawson21. Card is fine..There is a high resolution scan in the auction.

First time I've actually looked at the auto and it looks fine to me. PSA graded it as an authentic autograph card so it will be sold as is.

You can not be serious. PSA and BGS should not be used as an out to sell fake or tampered cards. They do not authenticate the autographs. PSA was caught slabbing lots of fakes. Actually slabbing laser signatures. They also knowing graded lots of trimmed cards. Most notable is the Wagner that sold for 2.8 million.

The card looks very horrible. You can not honestly say it looks fine.

[Bottom9th]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

Can a brother get some love?!?!?!?!

Bravo Jon!

[hche]

If you search "Topps Desean Jackson auto" or "Bowman Desean JAckson auto" on ebay, there are over 200 live and completed items. NONE of them was signed in black ink. It can't be real unless it's an 1/1 black ink sticker.

[Idol]

Originally Posted by Jackg1980

You can not be serious. PSA and BGS should not be used as an out to sell fake or tampered cards. They do not authenticate the autographs. PSA was caught slabbing lots of fakes. Actually slabbing laser signatures. They also knowing graded lots of trimmed cards. Most notable is the Wagner that sold for 2.8 million.

The card looks very horrible. You can not honestly say it looks fine.

Actually PSA and BGS DO in fact look at the autograph before they grade the card. I saw BGS reject cards at the National this past year due to questionable autographs or patch. PSA is the same way once it goes into their 4 or 5 step grading/verifying process.

Look bottom line is the card is what it is. It is authenticated PSA 10 Gem Mint. If you or anybody else does not feel comfortable with the autograph then just simply don't bid. I don't know what else to tell you.

[texas]

wow........

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by Idol

Actually PSA and BGS DO in fact look at the autograph before they grade the card. I saw BGS reject cards at the National this past year due to questionable autographs or patch. PSA is the same way once it goes into their 4 or 5 step grading/verifying process.

Look bottom line is the card is what it is. It is authenticated PSA 10 Gem Mint. If you or anybody else does not feel comfortable with the autograph then just simply don't bid. I don't know what else to tell you.

They look at it but they are not authenticate the autograph. I seen BGS and PSA grade many fake autograph and jersey cards, they are not all rejected.

You can tell me you are not going to sell this very suspicious card until you can verify it is real. That is the right thing to do.

[fishdaddy]

Originally Posted by Idol

Actually PSA and BGS DO in fact look at the autograph before they grade the card. I saw BGS reject cards at the National this past year due to questionable autographs or patch. PSA is the same way once it goes into their 4 or 5 step grading/verifying process.

Look bottom line is the card is what it is. It is authenticated PSA 10 Gem Mint. If you or anybody else does not feel comfortable with the autograph then just simply don't bid. I don't know what else to tell you.

Maybe you just got the same grader that gave your Rodgers SPA a 9.5.

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by fishdaddy

Maybe you just got the same grader that gave your Rodgers SPA a 9.5.

Was that the Rodgers with a bent corner that got a 9.5?

[WilsonValdez]

As someone who has seen a ton of D-Jack autos, that one (not only being the wrong color) looks like it was traced/copied by a 5th grader. That auto is faker than BostonNut's penile implant.

Don't be stupid (like PSA was) Idol....

[texas]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
what he said

[WilsonValdez]

Let's do a comparison between yours and a legit version (thats blue like every single other of his chrome autos):



Legit version:



Yours:




Not EVEN CLOSE!!

[penny1fan]

looks as if the original blue faded to a faint black (very common when the auto's fade) then someone being foolish traced over it with a black sharpie and did a terrible job! If you look closely you can actually see the blue marker under the black scribble.This is obviously a card that was authentic but no longer is due to tampering.Seller should remove the item ASAP.

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by penny1fan

looks as if the original blue faded to a faint black (very common when the auto's fade) then someone being foolish traced over it with a black sharpie and did a terrible job! If you look closely you can actually see the blue marker under the black scribble.This is obviously a card that was authentic but no longer is due to tampering.Seller should remove the item ASAP.

Yes he should, but he probably does not care.

[texas]

wow with the blown up pic you can see the blue no? i swear i see it

[WilsonValdez]

Originally Posted by penny1fan

looks as if the original blue faded to a faint black (very common when the auto's fade) then someone being foolish traced over it with a black sharpie and did a terrible job! If you look closely you can actually see the blue marker under the black scribble.This is obviously a card that was authentic but no longer is due to tampering.Seller should remove the item ASAP.

Wow, you are completely right. Good spot...you can clearly see a thinner/darker line in the blown up pic (especially more if you look at it at 150% like I am).

Congrats on your greatest post in history!

[Razorsharp79]

Originally Posted by penny1fan

looks as if the original blue faded to a faint black (very common when the auto's fade) then someone being foolish traced over it with a black sharpie and did a terrible job! If you look closely you can actually see the blue marker under the black scribble.This is obviously a card that was authentic but no longer is due to tampering.Seller should remove the item ASAP.

wow awesome pick up there, double checking it I can see what you mean. Guess everyone will start tracing faded Aaron Rodgers autos now if PSA will slab them...geez lou wheez

[vitin01]

It looks to me like it's been badly traced not only once but twice over the original blue ink autograph.

[Jackg1980]

Originally Posted by vitin01

It looks to me like it's been badly traced not only once but twice over the original blue ink autograph.

the first one was not dark enough so they did it again! Looks like everyone can see this expect for the seller. Pretty shady if you ask me.

[Divino]

I have a Gridiron gear auto that was signed by desean jackson in black ink. Granted that isn't topps, but there are some 08 Black ink autos out there.

Other than that, this is the fakest looking thing I've seen in a very long time...

Maybe desean's pen ran out of ink and he picked up a black crayon.

[Idol]

Originally Posted by WilsonValdez

Let's do a comparison between yours and a legit version (thats blue like every single other of his chrome autos):



Legit version:



Yours:




Not EVEN CLOSE!!

Thanks for posting this for comparison. I will take this auction down when I get home from work this evening.

Damn Shame

[ManInTheMirror]

Kudos to you Idol- I knew you would do the right thing.

[WilsonValdez]

Originally Posted by Idol

Thanks for posting this for comparison. I will take this auction down when I get home from work this evening.

Damn Shame

to you man. That is the correct thing to do. Glad you took the classy way out. You should talk to whoever you bought it from. They stuck you with sh*t.

[Divino]

I'm just curious how that card came about tho. It's whited out behind the sticker, so it's not like somebody slapped a sticker on a base topps chrome rookie.

[lionsfan20]

Wow I never saw this thread ending this way! Seller took the high road that is a first!

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by Divino

I'm just curious how that card came about tho. It's whited out behind the sticker, so it's not like somebody slapped a sticker on a base topps chrome rookie.

I am sure the auto was very light or got smudged so they tried to "fix" it. Would you pay top dollar for a light or smudged auto? I know I wouldnt. This happens all the time.