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FreeMan12406 10-03-2012 10:11 PM

Question about BGS grading 'authentic'
 
I obtained a card in a trade. It is a Chris Johnson Contenders rookie auto. It is slabbed by BGS and the auto is graded a 10. But instead of a card grade, it says 'Authentic'. I never thought anything of it but has been told that it happens because the card is damaged. I looked over the card myself, the best I could and the card doesn't appear to have any noticeable damage.

So why do cards get labeled like this and how does that affect the value of the card?

pats4dawin 10-03-2012 10:14 PM

I am not sure but I think that it is slabbed authentic if you chose that for if it does not meet a minimum grade....if this is true it is possible he had it at a min. 9.5....not positive at all.

Imac7065 10-03-2012 10:15 PM

You tell the grader (IE BGS in this case) "if it doesn't get X grade, just slab it authetntic"... PSA does this as well. Hope that helps

bradsholly 10-03-2012 10:30 PM

either that or its trimmed

Gr5 10-03-2012 11:03 PM

[QUOTE=bradsholly;3417794]either that or its [B]trimmed[/B][/QUOTE]

Ding ding ding. This is your winner.

Greg

FreeMan12406 10-03-2012 11:08 PM

[QUOTE=Gr5;3418070]Ding ding ding. This is your winner.

Greg[/QUOTE]

So no matter what, it's trimmed? That is the only option?

Gr5 10-03-2012 11:12 PM

[QUOTE=FreeMan12406;3418116]So no matter what, it's trimmed? That is the only option?[/QUOTE]

No, BUT I'd say its very likely. To put a percentage on it (obviously just my opinion, number means nothing), I'd say 65% or more are altered. I think some of them even say authentic and then altered on the bottom. Not all of them though.

Greg

FreeMan12406 10-03-2012 11:15 PM

[QUOTE=Gr5;3418150]No, BUT I'd say its very likely. To put a percentage on it (obviously just my opinion, number means nothing), I'd say 65% or more are altered. I think some of them even say authentic and then altered on the bottom. Not all of them though.

Greg[/QUOTE]

Mine doesn't say altered on it.

Just not sure why you would use percentages when you acknowledge you made them up, lol.

Gr5 10-03-2012 11:16 PM

[QUOTE=FreeMan12406;3418180]Mine doesn't say altered on it.

Just not sure why you would use percentages when you acknowledge you made them up, lol.[/QUOTE]

Well I do a lot of grading and have seen the scenario plenty of times. Good luck.

Greg

FreeMan12406 10-03-2012 11:19 PM

[QUOTE=Gr5;3418187]Well I do a lot of grading and have seen the scenario plenty of times. Good luck.

Greg[/QUOTE]

You grade cards or you send a lot of trimmed cards in to get graded?

Gr5 10-03-2012 11:22 PM

[QUOTE=FreeMan12406;3418206]You grade cards or you send a lot of trimmed cards in to get graded?[/QUOTE]

I grade a lot of cards. Lol, idk what your problem is. All I was trying to do was help, then you attack me :confused:. Have a good night, this will be my last post on this thread.

Greg

FreeMan12406 10-03-2012 11:24 PM

[QUOTE=Gr5;3418222]I grade a lot of cards. Lol, idk what your problem is. All I was trying to do was help, then you attack me :confused:. Have a good night, this will be my last post on this thread.

Greg[/QUOTE]

Wait what? lol

When did I attack you? I was asking a legit question. Your post wasn't very clear.

Calm the jets down turbo.

So you grade cards for BGS?

Jenkinssssss 10-04-2012 12:18 AM

[QUOTE=FreeMan12406;3418236]Wait what? lol

When did I attack you? I was asking a legit question. Your post wasn't very clear.

Calm the jets down turbo.

So you grade cards for BGS?[/QUOTE]

Yes, he's the head grader for the BGS Hollywood office. He also doesn't like strippers.

FreeMan12406 10-04-2012 12:30 AM

[QUOTE=Jenkinssssss;3418569]Yes, he's the head grader for the BGS Hollywood office. He also doesn't like strippers.[/QUOTE]

Good to know. (Tells strippers to get dressed)

hugh 10-04-2012 03:16 AM

[QUOTE=bradsholly;3417794]either that or its trimmed[/QUOTE]

it would also say "altered" if it was trimmed

detox 10-04-2012 03:21 AM

[QUOTE=bradsholly;3417794]either that or its trimmed[/QUOTE]

Completely false. They do not grade authentic on trimmed cards, they grade it altered. Same color label as authentic, blue, but it stated altered, not authentic. My guess is the person who subbed it requested a minimum grade and if it didn't meet it then slab it authentic.

hugh 10-04-2012 05:02 AM

[QUOTE=detox;3418964]Completely false. They do not grade authentic on trimmed cards, they grade it altered. Same color label as authentic, blue, but it stated altered, not authentic. My guess is the person who subbed it requested a minimum grade and if it didn't meet it then slab it authentic.[/QUOTE]

I saw one recently that said authentic and altered, I'll try to find a pic of it

Chaz 10-04-2012 05:08 AM

Bust it out of the case and then no worries.

hugh 10-04-2012 05:18 AM

[QUOTE=hugh;3419030]I saw one recently that said authentic and altered, I'll try to find a pic of it[/QUOTE]

here it is [url=http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Topps-Jerry-Rice-Rookie-Graded-Authentic-by-Beckett-BGS-Card-is-Mint-/251159959785?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3a7a4cd8e9&nma=true&si=WGQUkcEnG46Y00Gv1UQ%2BK%2FeZztY%3D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557]1986 Topps Jerry Rice Rookie Graded Authentic by Beckett BGS Card is Mint | eBay[/url]

detox 10-04-2012 06:25 AM

My apologies, half false, however if it is trimmed
the word altered stands out significantly so if RJ
Would notice if the card had that labeled slab.

FreeMan12406 10-04-2012 12:07 PM

[QUOTE=detox;3419060]My apologies, half false, however if it is trimmed
the word altered stands out significantly so if RJ
Would notice if the card had that labeled slab.[/QUOTE]

That's what I was thinking. Here's the card:

[IMG]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll93/freeman12406/Cards%20FT%20or%20FS/Cards%20For%20Trade/SKMBT_C35201082008520-1.jpg[/IMG]

How would this affect the value?

brose61 10-04-2012 12:09 PM

The card is so far off center (up and down), most likely didn't meet a minimum grade.

I would crack it because most folks know why it's just slabbed authentic. 10 auto doesn't do anything for CJ.

fullmetal 10-04-2012 12:13 PM

I would prefer a graded card, even 7.5 or 8.5 over the authentic. When I see 'authentic' it triggers me to think something was altered and the submitter had it slabbed to help in passing it off.

ryo1549 10-04-2012 12:17 PM

I highly doubt someone would trim a contenders auto rc, but that is just my opinion. I bet someone sent it in for grading and put Minimum BGS 9.5 or Authentic Slab and this is the result. You may be better off cracking that thing out if the authentic slab raises any questions. It doesn't show as altered so it isn't tampered with imo.

Deathgate 10-04-2012 12:49 PM

The only cards I would ask to be slabbed Authentic are printing plates, since they grade so low on Surface. Then again, I don't get any of my cards graded, so it's a moo point.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLwYpSCrlHU]Joey's Moo Point! - YouTube[/url]


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