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View Poll Results: Devin Hester-Hall of Fame
He will make it in and deserves to be in the hall 29 22.66%
He will make it in but does not deserve it 7 5.47%
He won't make it in but he deserves to 15 11.72%
He won't make it in and he doesn't deserve to 77 60.16%
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:58 PM   #26 (permalink)
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As a returner, absolutely.

As a receiver

Cribbs
104 receptions-1,137 yards--7 touchdowns

Hall
162 receptions-1,747 yards--9 touchdowns

Hester
201 receptions-2,679 yards--14 touchdowns

So he's been a more productive receiver as well

Again, not saying he's a hall of famer, but he's a better receiver and a better returner than those guys
Lets be clear here -

He is better punt returner then those guys. Cribbs is statistically (since that's what you are using) a much better kick returner.
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I know 13 people, as of right now, that should stop watching football permanently. Maybe football isn't for you. Take up cricket or ping pong. Hester a HOF'er? Hilarious.
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:17 PM   #28 (permalink)
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He should be. He isn't just a great kick returner he changes the game. He doesn't just have a run back here and there. He gives the Bears incredible field position all the time. Teams have to kick away from the guy.
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You must be one of the 13. If you don't understand how vital field postion is a part of the game then you don't understand the game. He was a huge reason the bears made it to the Super Bowl. People think stats are the only reason players get into the hall of fame. Players that changed the game and how teams play it are there too.

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Zolton Mesko is one of the best punters I have ever seen at pinning teams inside of the 10-15 yard line. Should Zolton Mesko be in the Hall of Fame?

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He should be. He isn't just a great kick returner he changes the game. He doesn't just have a run back here and there. He gives the Bears incredible field position all the time. Teams have to kick away from the guy.
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Old 10-08-2012, 04:38 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Does he deserve to? Maybe.

Will he? Doubtful.

Do I like answering my own questions? Absolutely.
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He should be. He isn't just a great kick returner he changes the game. He doesn't just have a run back here and there. He gives the Bears incredible field position all the time. Teams have to kick away from the guy.
And it goes back to page 1...

Statistically Cribbs is a better KR'er so is he going in the HOF? He gives the Browns a better average starting position off kicks then Hester does. Not to mention he has the NFL record (much like Hester in punts) for Kicks returned for TD's.

So we're putting Hester in the HOF purely because he gets good position on punts alone?

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Can he get you 6 points to go along with the great field position? NO!

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Zolton Mesko is one of the best punters I have ever seen at pinning teams inside of the 10-15 yard line. Should Zolton Mesko be in the Hall of Fame?
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Lets be clear here -

He is better punt returner then those guys. Cribbs is statistically (since that's what you are using) a much better kick returner.
Right, but compare the two

Cribbs has:
362 Kick Returns
23.9 Yard Average
8 Touchdowns

Hester has:
156 Kick Returns
23.8 Yard Average
5 Touchdowns

So yes, Cribbs is a bit better, but it's not THAT big of a difference, plus Hester had the kick return in the Super Bowl

But now looking at punt returns

Cribbs has:
169 Punt Returns
10.9 Yard Average
3 Touchdowns

Hester has:
217 Punt Returns
12.6 Yard Average
12 Touchdowns

So basically, Hester has had less than half the amount of kick returns as Cribbs, but only has 3 less touchdowns, whereas Cribbs has only had about 50 less Punt Returns than Hester, but Hester 4x the amount of touchdowns.

Cribbs Vs Hester KICK RETURN is comparable with the slight edge to Cribbs
Cribbs Vs Hester PUNT RETURN is absolutely no comparison.

Hester is a better return man than Cribbs, no question about it
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Devin Hester is the best to ever do what he does. That is a ticket straight to the Hall in my opinion. Surprised to see that so many people disagree.
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Right, but compare the two

Cribbs has:
362 Kick Returns
23.9 Yard Average
8 Touchdowns

Hester has:
156 Kick Returns
23.8 Yard Average
5 Touchdowns

So yes, Cribbs is a bit better, but it's not THAT big of a difference, plus Hester had the kick return in the Super Bowl

But now looking at punt returns

Cribbs has:
169 Punt Returns
10.9 Yard Average
3 Touchdowns

Hester has:
217 Punt Returns
12.6 Yard Average
12 Touchdowns

So basically, Hester has had less than half the amount of kick returns as Cribbs, but only has 3 less touchdowns, whereas Cribbs has only had about 50 less Punt Returns than Hester, but Hester 4x the amount of touchdowns.

Cribbs Vs Hester KICK RETURN is comparable with the slight edge to Cribbs
Cribbs Vs Hester PUNT RETURN is absolutely no comparison.

Hester is a better return man than Cribbs, no question about it
Didn't say he wasn't. He is better then Cribbs.

But he isn't that much better that he'd be a HOF'er and Cribbs would just be your run of the mill guy.

Not to mention Cribbs plays defense on special teams as well - has plenty of tackles to show his "versatility"

Both guys are specialists. That's it.

Until Hester becomes a legit WR he's no more of a HOF'er then Cribbs is.
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Why isn't the best long-snapper to ever play the game in the Hall of Fame?

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Devin Hester is the best to ever do what he does. That is a ticket straight to the Hall in my opinion. Surprised to see that so many people disagree.
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Devin Hester is the best to ever do what he does. That is a ticket straight to the Hall in my opinion. Surprised to see that so many people disagree.
Define best...

Because he has the most return TD's ever?

Then Cribbs is in the HOF as well.
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What you are missing is Hester is a reason why his team went to the Super Bowl and could go again. Cribbs team hasn't gone and I doubt will go anytime soon. Hester gets them good field position on both punts and returns. Just not record setting kick returns. He should be in the hall of fame because he is a record setting returner AND a game changer that helped lead a team to the Super Bowl. Teams have to set game plans according to Devin Hester. I think that makes him HOF worthy.

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And it goes back to page 1...

Statistically Cribbs is a better KR'er so is he going in the HOF? He gives the Browns a better average starting position off kicks then Hester does. Not to mention he has the NFL record (much like Hester in punts) for Kicks returned for TD's.

So we're putting Hester in the HOF purely because he gets good position on punts alone?

Got it.
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Define best...

Because he has the most return TD's ever?

Then Cribbs is in the HOF as well.
Overall, his ability to constantly give his team a short field, and being the most explosive returner ever (as far as total TDs). The thing with Cribbs is he's a kick return specialist, and I see a less consistent impact on his team's success.
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Where have the Browns gone with Cribbs. NOWHERE so you can't compare them.

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Because he has the most return TD's ever?

Then Cribbs is in the HOF as well.
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Where have the Bears gone with Hester? One measly Super Bowl loss in a watered down NFC?

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Where have the Browns gone with Cribbs. NOWHERE so you can't compare them.
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Didn't say he wasn't. He is better then Cribbs.

But he isn't that much better that he'd be a HOF'er and Cribbs would just be your run of the mill guy.

Not to mention Cribbs plays defense on special teams as well - has plenty of tackles to show his "versatility"

Both guys are specialists. That's it.

Until Hester becomes a legit WR he's no more of a HOF'er then Cribbs is.

Umm....really? Unless something incredible happens and Cribbs goes off completely in the coming years, Hester is far closer to being a Hall of Famer than Cribbs.

Hester is one of, if not THE best return man ever, Cribbs is not.
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Where have the Browns gone with Cribbs. NOWHERE so you can't compare them.
Hester won a Super Bowl I don't know about?

Right now they have the same number of rings.

Call me when the Browns have the same defense as Chicago - because obviously Hester was responsbile for all that as well.
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OMG. I see 5 more people don't have a clue.

We live in a world where two of the best WR's of all time in Cris Carter and Tim Brown can't seem to even sniff the HOF yet people still believe a player like Hester, who is worthless outside of the return game, should get in. Come on now. Really?
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If this is how you want to play then why isn't evey wr, te, or rb that Tom Brady threw to in the HOF. We all know Brady is going to be in the HOF and we all know he can't get there by himself. So you can stop with the 3rd grade reasoning.

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Umm....really? Unless something incredible happens and Cribbs goes off completely in the coming years, Hester is far closer to being a Hall of Famer than Cribbs.

Hester is one of, if not THE best return man ever, Cribbs is not.
Why do you call Hester the best? Because he has the most punt return TD's ever?

As I asked above - define best.

This has nothing to do with Cribbs vs. Hester

But if you're going to just unilaterally put Hester in the HOF because of some statistic then you have to look at other guys.

Give me a reason Hester is in the HOF besides his Punt return TD record.
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I seen this and I laughed. He is a playmaker but not no Hall of Famer. He isn't even the best special teams player is, I would say Dave Tasker is and he isn't Hall of Fame.
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Both carter and brown will get in. Just haven't yet. It's only because so many get in every year. Just like if Hester does get in which he might not. I am just saying I feel he is HOF worthy.

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OMG. I see 5 more people don't have a clue.

We live in a world where two of the best WR's of all time in Cris Carter and Tim Brown can't seem to even sniff the HOF yet people still believe a player like Hester, who is worthless outside of the return game, should get in. Come on now. Really?
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Where have the Bears gone with Hester? One measly Super Bowl loss in a watered down NFC?
Yeah, but that argument is tough.

Peyton is one of the best QBs of all time and has a record of 9-10 in playoff games.

Flacco has a playoff record of 5-4, so that doesn't make him a better QB.

Especially in football, it takes a whole team to succeed. There are plenty of great players who never won the SB, so that argument isn't very good
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