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Old 11-08-2012, 02:19 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Because it's not FACT, that's why! I've seen it go the other way on several occasions as a vintage Jim Brown collector.
I'm talking about BGS 10 does not equal PSA 10. One is pristine, the other is gem mint.

I'm not talking about value
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Old 12-29-2015, 06:24 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I took 5 cards graded BGS raw out of the semi rigid sleeves and sent to PSA instead. All except one came back lower, and one even came back trimmed. Pics are here, kind of interesting:

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I am not surprised the vintage all came back lower in PSA form. Beckett states on their webpage that they are more lenient on older cards. Something along the lines "we take into account the technology of the day when factoring grades". This is one of the main reasons why you don't see much BVG graded cards.

Personally, I think Beckett in general has become very lax on grading standards. I don't send anything into PSA, but from what I have seen it looks they ebb and flow between fair and tough. I would love to see what SGC says on those cards, could be a tie breaker of sorts to see who is correct.
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PSA is more lenient on older cards, old Baseball and Football sets are really hard to get above BVG 6's & 7's, whereas PSA 8's & 9's are a lot more common on those older cards.

Also, PSA holders are quite thin compared to Beckett holders, most vintage sets contain tons of cards (several of the 1960's Topps baseball sets are north of 600 different cards).
No its because of the PSA registry. Also they are not more lenient but I believe more knowledgeable with vintage cards. If a card is graded BVG 9 out of 10 people are going to get it regraded PSA or SGC.
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Old 12-29-2015, 01:31 PM   #30 (permalink)
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No its because of the PSA registry. Also they are not more lenient but I believe more knowledgeable with vintage cards. If a card is graded BVG 9 out of 10 people are going to get it regraded PSA or SGC.
I don't get why people think Beckett is tougher on vintage. This is from their website on BVG grading (bolded for emphasis).

"Vintage cards deserve a vintage service. BVG allows for 1980 and prior sports cards to be graded with the respect and attention they deserve.

Quality vintage grading service for your pre-1981 cards
Takes into consideration the technology of the time
Half-point grading scale for more precise assessment
Online Population Report available 24/7
On-time, every time guarantee"
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I don't get why people think Beckett is tougher on vintage. This is from their website on BVG grading (bolded for emphasis).

"Vintage cards deserve a vintage service. BVG allows for 1980 and prior sports cards to be graded with the respect and attention they deserve.

Quality vintage grading service for your pre-1981 cards
Takes into consideration the technology of the time
Half-point grading scale for more precise assessment
Online Population Report available 24/7
On-time, every time guarantee"
I was speaking of PSA and why people use it for vintage.
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