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Old 12-11-2012, 12:26 PM   #76 (permalink)
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They SHOULD let him go. Maybe Arizona will pick him up or Kansas City. As a Bear, he's done nothing wonderful. Name 1 season where he didn't get injured.

Let Cutler go and make Campbell your starting QB. Once Campbell started in Oakland, he took that team on a great win streak. Once he got hurt and they replaced him with Palmer, the Raiders went downhill and are still going downhill. At least Campbell can scramble and if he needs to, he can run the ball.

If the Bear pick someone up, it will most likely be Vick. Unfortunately, the Bears are in need of hiring young talent, but they seem to enjoy sticking with older players. Seems when they are in need of help at a position, they seek out Pro Bowl players for that position, regardless of age. That's why it appears the average age of a Bear player, is around 32-34 years old. Start getting younger talent and that might help.
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They SHOULD let him go. Maybe Arizona will pick him up or Kansas City. As a Bear, he's done nothing wonderful. Name 1 season where he didn't get injured.

Let Cutler go and make Campbell your starting QB. Once Campbell started in Oakland, he took that team on a great win streak. Once he got hurt and they replaced him with Palmer, the Raiders went downhill and are still going downhill. At least Campbell can scramble and if he needs to, he can run the ball.

If the Bear pick someone up, it will most likely be Vick. Unfortunately, the Bears are in need of hiring young talent, but they seem to enjoy sticking with older players. Seems when they are in need of help at a position, they seek out Pro Bowl players for that position, regardless of age. That's why it appears the average age of a Bear player, is around 32-34 years old. Start getting younger talent and that might help.
Easy to say. but when you draft like garbage it's hard to do.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:30 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Cutler isn't going anywhere. Only person that might be leaving is lovie or some of the other coaches. Bears need an o-line. They aren't going to make Cutler a free agent unless they know they are going to be getting something better and I don't seem the Bears able to do that. Where did you hear about them making him a free agent?
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Cutler is a good QB with a strong arm. The chemistry with Marshall is a huge factor. He will stay - the problem is the o-line - they better address that this year in the draft and off-season. Chicago and Philly had the worst O-line's this year, Philly due to injuries and Chicago because they all suck.
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Cutler is a good QB with a strong arm. The chemistry with Marshall is a huge factor. He will stay - the problem is the o-line - they better address that this year in the draft and off-season. Chicago and Philly had the worst O-line's this year, Philly due to injuries and Chicago because they all suck.
Green Bay and Arizona would like to have a word with you.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:32 PM   #80 (permalink)
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Alright....been waiting for this topic for a while... I've been a Bears fan for 30+ years, so there is no question where my loyalties lie... Here is my opinion of what's wrong with our current squad....

Lovie Smith - Guy needs to be shown the door, he is an unemotional POS. He is not a leader, if you watch a postgame conference with him - you can't even tell if we won or lost the game. Nothing stirs him up, and while that attitude can be good for many occupations - I think an NFL head coach needs to be passionate and fired up. The team feeds off that...good or bad, and with Lovie's "High Guy" attitude, its def. bad for us. His uninvolved attitude is partially to blame for Cutler being able to act like the high-maintenance poodle he has shown us several times in the past. I would absolutely LOVE to see Cutler try to throw one of his Paris Hilton B***H Fits with a coach like Ditka.....LMAO.

Jay Cutler - The guy wants to win & has an incredible arm.... The biggest problem with him is he thinks his arm strength can perform miracles - he thinks he is better than he is at this point in his career. He is not extremely “football smart”, when under pressure – instead of throwing the ball away and trying next down, he thinks he has the ability to squeeze the ball into a ridiculous opening – and usually ends up throwing a pick (the Favre-like “Gun-Slinger” quality others have spoken about). The guy is tough, and gets hits a ton (takes some serious shots too). Not until recently have I seen him running a little more, but watch his games – you will very very rarely see him chuck one out of bounds and give up on a play…. His attitude is garbage whens things don’t go as planned, and he needs a head coach that will teach him how to lead and not allow him to pout and throw temper tantrums when things aren’t going his way.

WRs – Honestly, I think potentially we have one of the best receiving corps in the NFL. Brandon Marshall & Alshon Jeffery should be the #1 & #2 (large bodies, good hands, decent speed), combined with an Earl Bennett or Dane Sanzenbacher smaller slot-style receiver. Eric Weems has decent speed, and if Knox ever returns, we could be unstoppable. Notice I don’t mention Hester – this guy is not a WR; he can’t catch, he is afraid of getting hit….his speed is his only weapon, and he has to catch the ball before he can use that….

RBs – Again, I think we have a great RB combo. Forte & Bush….great backs – different styles. Def. not the problem…

O Line – We need to start a complete rebuild here, if we can’t protect our QB or give our RBs any room to do their job, everything else is for nothing. This is where it all starts, and the Bears have been neglecting this fact for many years….We have the offensive weapons, but the O Line is the key to our offensive success. Especially with a QB like Cutler, he wants time to see what opens up and sling the ball there.

Defense – Other than the fact that we’re getting old, I don’t think there are any huge issues that require addressing. Let’s face it – this is the heart of our team, and the reason we still have a chance at even making the playoffs this season….

Sorry it went a little lenghty.....LOL.
I think you are spot on here. I agree with just about all of it.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:34 PM   #81 (permalink)
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I wouldn't take Cutler if my team was 0-16 year in and year out. Terrible attitude, terrible leader, and when things start going downhill he doesn't seem to be able to rally his troops.

Hopefully my opinion isn't considered "bashing." Wouldn't want anyone to block me!...
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Green Bay and Arizona would like to have a word with you.
Bears O line is worse than GB x100(ok maybe not that much worse). Rodgers has been sacked more, but Cutler has avoided about 20 more sacks than rodgers. thats my stand on Cutler, I dont hink theres another QB in the NFL who could have the success that he has had with the worst O line quite possibly in NFL history. Not Brady, Not Rodgers, Not Manning.
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Green Bay and Arizona would like to have a word with you.
True, those would round out my top 4. GB losing Bulaga is huge.
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Personally, I don't feel Cutler is the answer in Chicago. If the Bears are content to be a playoff calibur team and little more, then they should stick with him. He's a decent enough player to make the Bears a 10-6 team behind that defense. He likely won't win them any big games, he is not a particularly well respected leader and he seems to lack the ability to remain healthy. I'm not saying he's crap. I've watched enough Bears games with Rex Grossman, Erik Kramer, Cade McNown, Rick Mirer and Jim Miller at the helm to know they could do faaaaaaaar worse. I just don't see him as being the answer simply because he's the best they've had in decades. To his credit, he's better than most every quarterback they've had in Chicago since Sid Luckman was there and that's not hyperbole. It's just not enough. He's turnover prone, fragile and not a good leader of men. Three things that don't bode well in the playoffs when you need to be at your absolute best. I get that it's not all his fault. They need a better offensive line and their playcalling is suspect at times, but I get the gut feeling they'll never win a Super Bowl with him under center.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:51 PM   #85 (permalink)
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Bears O line is worse than GB x100(ok maybe not that much worse). Rodgers has been sacked more, but Cutler has avoided about 20 more sacks than rodgers. thats my stand on Cutler, I dont hink theres another QB in the NFL who could have the success that he has had with the worst O line quite possibly in NFL history. Not Brady, Not Rodgers, Not Manning.
Cutler and Rodgers have about the same mobility to get away from a pass rush...

To say the Bears line is significantly worse than the Packers is not true... at all.
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While I buy that the offensive line has a big influence on play, you just need to look in the division for a QB who gets sacked and pressured even more than Cutler... Rodgers.

The difference between the two is bone headed plays. Cutler tries to force more than Rodgers and he pays for it. If both had a line, they would put up better TD and yardage numbers, but I don't think that would change Cutler's turnover numbers.

I think the O-line will be the downfall of the Packers and Bears this year, but I also think the Bears have an issue at QB. It doesn't trump their other issues, but I still think it is an issue.
Cutler isn't on Rodgers level as a QB but Cutler also doesn't have a solid receiving corps like Rodgers has (even w/ the injuries they are still better than what the Bears have) to help him when he's running for his life.
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Cutler and Rodgers have about the same mobility to get away from a pass rush...
Rodgers is a bit more elusive when avoiding tacklers.
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Old 12-11-2012, 12:58 PM   #88 (permalink)
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Cutler isn't on Rodgers level as a QB but Cutler also doesn't have a solid receiving corps like Rodgers has (even w/ the injuries they are still better than what the Bears have) to help him when he's running for his life.
Rodgers hasn't had Jennings until the last two games (still doesn't look 100%) and in those last two, Nelson has been injured.

There was a even a time when both Jennings AND Nelson were injured. Granted, Cobb is good and Jones has been playing exceptionally well, but chemistry is an issue when you have injuries.

I don't think the Bears are that much worse than GB this year given the circumstances involving GB's injuries.

Marshall is far and away the best WR of the two teams.
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Rodgers is a bit more elusive when avoiding tacklers.
Certainly debatable, but it is close enough to not matter in the grand scheme of things here.
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Old 12-11-2012, 01:04 PM   #90 (permalink)
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The O-Lne sucks, this much we know. But its been bad for the last 2 years. Cutler has been a Bear for 4 years. I havent seen him put up many lights out games. Hell I remember Grossman winning Player of the week honors a few times!

This is my favorite stat, and it sums up jay. Cutler has 7 300+ yard passing games in 4 seasons as a Bear. Andrew Luck has 6 so far this season. Nuff said.
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Certainly debatable, but it is close enough to not matter in the grand scheme of things here.
Exactly. Elusiveness is hardly indicative of which one is better. Leadership and accuracy are far telling of their differences.

Jay Cutler had a 4.7% interception percentage in his first year with the Bears. The past two years he's had a 2.2 and 3.7 in terms of percentage of throws that turn into INTs. He's also had a completion percentage of 58.0 and 59.8 the past two years. Compare those numbers to Rodgers' over the same span of two years. His interception percentages are 1.2 and 1.8 and his completion percentages are 68.3 and 66.9. That latter percentage is even more telling considering how miserable the Packers' offensive line has been this year. Even with a miserable front five blocking for him, he still completes 7% more passes and has far less interceptions.
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An offensive line has to be our number one priority. I saw it mentioned a few times but I think people look past our run game. It has been AWFUL! That all starts at the offensive line too. Forte isn't a powerful enough back to be breaking tackles like AP does. He's a much more shifty back and you can see when he isn't given any cut back lanes or room to run he's almost worthless. Honestly we should be starting michael bush the rest of the season because he at least has some power to fall forward for 3 yards. If you wanted Forte on the field you could almost move him to wideout and give him an opportunity out there....sure he wouldn't drop any more balls then they already are.

Getting rid of Cutler is not the answer whatsoever. A decent offensive line would do WONDERS for this team.

A solid offensive line= Better protection, better run game, and a more balanced offense

These are 3 keys to having a successful offense and the bears have none of them. Cutler gets nothing to work with and you wonder why he tries to make such crazy passes sometimes. What other option does he have?
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Easily the worst line in the NFL. Ya packers are bad too. But bears are MUCH worse
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Easily the worst line in the NFL. Ya packers are bad too. But bears are MUCH worse
Not easily or MUCH... not even CLOSE to easily or MUCH...
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I really don't understand whe everyone hates cutler...I love watching hime play, the only problem is he gets bulldozed 15 times a game since the bears have a swiss cheese OL. I've watched cutler get out of more situations than he's been hit. I just don't understand why the bears keep stacking the D when they have no offensive line (and I'm a packer fan, I like seeing the bears lose, this is just simple football!!)

I notice most of the people that say cutler has to go, aren't even from the midwest, so you are maybe only seeing him play 1 or 2 times a year......When I'm flipping back and forth trying to see whats going on in our division during the games, trust me when I say the bears line is holding the bears back, not cutler!!

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