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Old 01-02-2013, 11:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just won this card on Ebay:
2012 Topps Platinum Andrew Luck Auto Patch Gold Refractor RC 5 150 BGS 9 10 | eBay

Was doing a search for others from the set and this came up:
2012 Topps Platinum Andrew Luck Gold Very RARE Jumbo Patch Jersey RC 5 | eBay

These are the same right? As far as I know, they don't have more than one pose or any diffrent variations that would both be /5 right??
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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one is gold and one is gold refractor if im not mistaken
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:56 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I just won this card on Ebay:
2012 Topps Platinum Andrew Luck Auto Patch Gold Refractor RC 5 150 BGS 9 10 | eBay

Was doing a search for others from the set and this came up:
2012 Topps Platinum Andrew Luck Gold Very RARE Jumbo Patch Jersey RC 5 | eBay

These are the same right? As far as I know, they don't have more than one pose or any diffrent variations that would both be /5 right??
Dude, something does not seem right. We're they both up for auction simultaneously? If so, one , if not both are a scam.


Duh....just read the listings...sorry. Looks like you got the refractor for 400$ cheaper than the BIN price of the gold only. Great card
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Old 01-02-2013, 11:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I would say the second one is a fake
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:06 AM   #5 (permalink)
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judging by feedback scores, seems like the second one is most definitely a fake. Probably stole the pic before it was graded from the guy in a photobucket account or something
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Just something to look at...its not pretty but I blew up the one picture and traced certain features on the cards....see how they exactly match? NO way in hell two unique cards would have an identically placed identical auto along with the relic.
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man that card has had more hands touching it than a stripper on 2 dollar night

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There's a Patch Auto Ref /5 and a Patch Auto Gold Ref /5, but as noted above the cards are seemingly identical.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:19 AM   #9 (permalink)
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check out the description on here from two 'different' sellers. Both same color/bold/font/words

2012 Topps Platinum Andrew Luck Gold Auto 2 Color Jumbo Patch Jersey RC 3 5 | eBay
2012 Topps Platinum Andrew Luck Gold Very RARE Jumbo Patch Jersey RC 5 | eBay
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judging by feedback scores, seems like the second one is most definitely a fake. Probably stole the pic before it was graded from the guy in a photobucket account or something
If you look at his other auctions, then look the card up under completed listings you'll find the same cards, same picture but he didn't buy them with that account. Some has sold multiple times but keep coming back up for sale.

his:
Andrew Luck 2012 Topps Chrome RC Auto Gold Refractor 10 Rookie Autograph SP | eBay

completed:
Andrew Luck 2012 Topps Chrome RC Auto Gold Refractor 05 10 Rookie Autograph SP | eBay

his:
2000 Pacific Crown Royale Autograph 110 Tom Brady Rookie Auto | eBay

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PSA 10 Tom Brady 2000 Pacific Crown Royale Auto Autograph Rookie 110 Patriots | eBay

He's also selling them remarkably close to what the original sold for.
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Some has sold multiple times but keep coming back up for sale.
maybe they are taking lessons from bigboyd
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:26 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm thinking these are both the same card. There was actually a gold auto /5 and a gold refractor /5?? Thats awesome work done by the way bassking, I appreciate that man.
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I'm thinking these are both the same card. There was actually a gold auto /5 and a gold refractor /5?? Thats awesome work done by the way bassking, I appreciate that man.
No problem man. Im glad I could help. And yes, from looking at everything bigdog0117 is definitely a scam artist. I'd like someone to prove otherwise
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Sent him a question as I am "very interested in your Luck, but am confused as I am brand new to collecting cards".

Will post reply for laughs if I get one..
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man that card has had more hands touching it than a stripper on 2 dollar night

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I know lol but I think for the price it seems like a good deal. My high bid was close to $800. I just sold my Griffin /25 9.5 from the same set for $850 last night so after fees its essentially trading my Griffin /25 for the Luck /5 and around $60.
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:02 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Finally found a checklist and it looks like there was only one patch auto /5

"2012 Topps Platinum
Autograph Rookie Patch Cards
ODDS: 1 Per Hobby Box

Black Refractor Parallel: #/125
Green Refractor Parallel: #/99
Blue Refractor Parallel: #/25
Purple Refractor Parallel: #/10
Gold Refractor Parallel: #/5
Red Refractor NFL Shield Parallel: 1/1
NFL Shield Patch: 1/1
Superfractor Parallel: 1/1"
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And in Bigdog he hasnt sold anything in 3 going on 4 years why all of a sudden pop up selling high end sought after cards.
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:16 AM   #18 (permalink)
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and OP here 12/7/2012- same #3/5 not graded.
Andrew Luck 2012 Topps Platinum Gold Refractor Autograph Chrome Jersey Auto 5 | eBay

which is very ironic...bc according to Beckett:

Card Serial Number: 0007400791
Set Name:2012 Topps Platinum Rookie Patch Autographs Gold Refractors
Player Name:Andrew Luck
Date Graded:Monday, October 29, 2012

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Old 01-03-2013, 01:19 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Here is the simple answer to end the thread:

The second seller is a scammer. There are several of these that pop up from time to time (more often then you'd believe). What they do is rack up some positive feedback - maybe 15-50 positives for low-end stuff then in one week they list a ton of really high-end stuff and they just steal pictures from other listings. They always get a ton of suckers who don't do research and they make out with thousands and then they're gone. They are like mini-Haikus. I always send them messages telling them I'm turning them in to ebay but alas they always get away with it.

This guy is doing the EXACT SAME THING...except he actually took a BGS 9.5 and cropped the photo:

Scammer:

2012 Andrew Luck Topps Chrome Pink 75 Ref Auto RC Nflautorcards | eBay

Real listing:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-TOPPS-C...item2c6adb5f5a

PS - the EASIEST way to tell if an auction like this is fake is to look at the seller's other listings. 99% of the time the background in the photos, type of photo, etc. are different in each listing. Legit sellers always use the same scanner, camera, etc. Also, if the picture is super cropped that's a tell-tale as well.

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The gold Luck was bought in November.
Andrew Luck 2012 Topps Chrome RC Auto Gold Refractor 05 10 Rookie Autograph SP | eBay
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And in Bigdog he hasnt sold anything in 3 going on 4 years why all of a sudden pop up selling high end sought after cards.
lol maybe he needs a loan from paypal. He should set the BIN at 700 at least so it will actually sell, he's a horrible scammer starting these cards so high
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Here is the simple answer to end the thread:

The second seller is a scammer. There are several of these that pop up from time to time (more often then you'd believe). What they do is rack up some positive feedback - maybe 15-50 positives for low-end stuff then in one week they list a ton of really high-end stuff and they just steal pictures from other listings. They always get a ton of suckers who don't do research and they make out with thousands and then they're gone. They are like mini-Haikus. I always send them messages telling them I'm turning them in to ebay but alas they always get away with it.

This guy is doing the EXACT SAME THING...

2012 Andrew Luck Topps Chrome Pink 75 Ref Auto RC Nflautorcards | eBay
yea but this guy hasnt sold a single item in almost 4 years which should account for someone being worried
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yea but this guy hasnt sold a single item in almost 4 years which should account for someone being worried
Agreed - which is why his Luck Gold /10 isn't selling for $1,400. But he does at least have some positive feedback so people aren't completely scared away like they would be with a 0 feedback seller.

This guy is doing it all wrong:-)
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and OP here 12/7/2012- same #3/5 not graded.
Andrew Luck 2012 Topps Platinum Gold Refractor Autograph Chrome Jersey Auto 5 | eBay

which is very ironic...bc according to Beckett:

Card Serial Number: 0007400791
Set Name:2012 Topps Platinum Rookie Patch Autographs Gold Refractors
Player Name:Andrew Luck
Date Graded:Monday, October 29, 2012
The other pictures there show the card graded.
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Paid for it this morning so I guess we will see what happens.
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