Do the Cowboys have to draft a QB this year? - Page 2

HBMC · 01-21-2013, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dfr52

In the 3rd round or later but the Cowboys have greater needs right now.

Indeed, a 3rd or 4th rounder could be a stater or quality rotation player his first year. Not likely they'll take a QB that high unless he's an obscene steal.

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Originally Posted by Shinypsptitans

Orton Orton Orton!

Orton has little to no mobility, I don't want him to die behind that O-line.

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Originally Posted by jt_1985_2004

The Cowboys need O-line, D-line, and a safety or two, then they should get a QB and set him on the bench like Mallett has done is NE. Romo is one of the top 10 QB's in the NFL right now (love him or hate him admit it) and they will extend his contract. Need to shore up the line in front of him first.

The O-Line would need to addressed regardless of Romo being in Dallas or not. The interior of the line is just bad and one tackle spot (Free) is iffy at best. Tyron is still very young, he struggled at times, but he did improve as the season wore on.

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Originally Posted by jp98

I think Zac Dysert, Landry Jones, or Mike Scott would be good 3rd-4th round choices for them.

Of those three, I'd take Jones. He's at least played at a higher level of competition and under a pretty good coach in Stoops.

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Originally Posted by nabzy28

If they can get some Olinemen who can manage to get him a freaking pocket to stand in for more than 2 seconds, he tears defenses apart. It's the fact that he's scrambling almost immediately in what seems like 90% of their passing plays. It's sad when putting him in the shotgun doesn't even help. They tend to let the blitzing linebacker have a nice 8 foot wide gap to rush right at him.

Thank You! When he can actually set his feet and survey the field, Romo is pretty deadly accurate, that hardly happened this year at all.

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Originally Posted by mindbinge

who? Who is out there this year in the draft that could be a long term QB for Dallas?

I thank you for this as well, just because QB is a need doesn't mean that the Cowboys should shoehorn a 2nd year guy that was a late round pick as a starter.

jt_1985_2004 · 01-21-2013, 11:59 PM

I like Landry Jones and even EJ Manuel if he can be tutored a little bit.

HBMC · 01-22-2013, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jt_1985_2004

I like Landry Jones and even EJ Manuel if he can be tutored a little bit.

Indeed, both have pretty good size and arm strength.

JonMead · 01-22-2013, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Metsfan1121

please elaborate

Statistically in any category he has better stats then aikman or staubach with the exception of rings.

TX_OutLaw · 01-22-2013, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JonMead

Statistically in any category he has better stats then aikman or staubach with the exception of rings.

Honestly STATS mean nothing when comparing today's QB's! The only reason Romo and these other QB's these days have high number passing yards is because every time a flag is thrown for pass interference the QB gets those yards added to his STATS ... Now you go and subtract all those pass interference yards off Romo's STATS and see who has more Passing Yards and get back to me! Aikman didn't need any free yards added to his Greatness!

HBMC · 01-22-2013, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TX_OutLaw

Honestly STATS mean nothing when comparing today's QB's! The only reason Romo and these other QB's these days have high number passing yards is because every time a flag is thrown for pass interference the QB gets those yards added to his STATS ... Now you go and subtract all those pass interference yards off Romo's STATS and see who has more Passing Yards and get back to me! Aikman didn't need any free yards added to his Greatness!

What are you talking about?

JonMead · 01-22-2013, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TX_OutLaw

Honestly STATS mean nothing when comparing today's QB's! The only reason Romo and these other QB's these days have high number passing yards is because every time a flag is thrown for pass interference the QB gets those yards added to his STATS ... Now you go and subtract all those pass interference yards off Romo's STATS and see who has more Passing Yards and get back to me! Aikman didn't need any free yards added to his Greatness!

being that dallas is the most pentalized team and NEVER get a pass interference call there way subtract 150 yards call it and he still is the cowboys best qb by stats. with that logic every qb who has thrown for 5000 only threw for 4999 or less

mindbinge · 01-22-2013, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JonMead

Statistically in any category he has better stats then aikman or staubach with the exception of rings.

I'll tell you right now, in the type of offense the NFL runs today vs. the type that Staubach ran back in the day...Staubach would eat Romo alive in stats in the same system. Staubach is one of the greatest QB's of all time...not just the best from Dallas. A true leader and a winner...the guy would do whatever he had to do to win a game, and would get it done...if that meant he had to run for a 1st down and take a hit he did it...before the modern days of "protecting the QB" some of those old guys were tough as nails and took a huge beating...Staubach was one of those guys and when it was on the line in the big game, he got it done. Romo is a flea in comparison to Staubach.

viking118480 · 01-22-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TX_OutLaw

Honestly STATS mean nothing when comparing today's QB's! The only reason Romo and these other QB's these days have high number passing yards is because every time a flag is thrown for pass interference the QB gets those yards added to his STATS ... Now you go and subtract all those pass interference yards off Romo's STATS and see who has more Passing Yards and get back to me! Aikman didn't need any free yards added to his Greatness!

Lol...What?

viking118480 · 01-22-2013, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by JonMead

being that dallas is the most pentalized team and NEVER get a pass interference call there way subtract 150 yards call it and he still is the cowboys best qb by stats. with that logic every qb who has thrown for 5000 only threw for 4999 or less

My head just exploded.

HBMC · 01-22-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mindbinge

I'll tell you right now, in the type of offense the NFL runs today vs. the type that Staubach ran back in the day...Staubach would eat Romo alive in stats in the same system. Staubach is one of the greatest QB's of all time...not just the best from Dallas. A true leader and a winner...the guy would do whatever he had to do to win a game, and would get it done...if that meant he had to run for a 1st down and take a hit he did it...before the modern days of "protecting the QB" some of those old guys were tough as nails and took a huge beating...Staubach was one of those guys and when it was on the line in the big game, he got it done. Romo is a flea in comparison to Staubach.

There's a reason he's Captain America!

FreeMan12406 · 01-22-2013, 10:08 AM

Anybody think Jerry would make a run for Johnny Football when he enters the draft?

Astronix · 01-22-2013, 10:53 AM

They need to think about it, but I would wait until 2014 unless they get a steal in this draft.

TX_OutLaw · 01-22-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by viking118480

Lol...What?

Do you all not understand? Its quite easy! ..... Say every game they get lucky with at least 1-2 pass interference calls and its usually for the big play of 20 - 30 yrds so thats 40-60yrds every game say they play 16 games so 60 x 16 = 960 yrds ( Free yrds )

Aikman himself said it!

And another STATS mean nothing, because what it all boils down to is the end, has he got it done in the end and the annswer is NO! Romo has failed every time every year and I'm a die hard fan we've made changes all over everywhere he still has not produced a W when needed!

JonMead · 01-22-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TX_OutLaw

Do you all not understand? Its quite easy! ..... Say every game they get lucky with at least 1-2 pass interference calls and its usually for the big play of 20 - 30 yrds so thats 40-60yrds every game say they play 16 games so 60 x 16 = 960 yrds ( Free yrds )

Aikman himself said it!

And another STATS mean nothing, because what it all boils down to is the end, has he got it done in the end and the annswer is NO! Romo has failed every time every year and I'm a die hard fan we've made changes all over everywhere he still has not produced a W when needed!

Are you blind to the gaping hole we call a o line? If aikman played with are line he would be as good as romo if not worse

mindbinge · 01-22-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JonMead

If aikman played with are line he would be as good as romo if not worse

I'm not even sure what to think about this statement lol.

TheFrenzy · 01-22-2013, 02:16 PM

After thinking about it some more, the only QB in this year's draft that I could see meaning more to Jerry Jones than Romo would be Arkansas' Tyler Wilson. It was ridiculous how Jones praised former Razorback Felix Jones this past season and I can only imagine how he would lose his mind over having Wilson.

I'm going to call it now: If Wilson is there in the second round, the Boys take him - possibly even trading up to get him.

FrankieP · 01-22-2013, 02:25 PM

Is there a way to draft a GM?

kdub0982 · 01-22-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankieP

Is there a way to draft a GM?

^ this guys got the right idea

jt_1985_2004 · 01-22-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

After thinking about it some more, the only QB in this year's draft that I could see meaning more to Jerry Jones than Romo would be Arkansas' Tyler Wilson. It was ridiculous how Jones praised former Razorback Felix Jones this past season and I can only imagine how he would lose his mind over having Wilson.

I'm going to call it now: If Wilson is there in the second round, the Boys take him - possibly even trading up to get him.

Unfortunately I think you may be right. Wilson could be a great (ok, maybe good) QB though with some seasoing on the bench.

TX_OutLaw · 01-22-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JonMead

Are you blind to the gaping hole we call a o line? If aikman played with are line he would be as good as romo if not worse

So your saying since 2006 ( its now 2013 ) Dallas has had a gaping hole in what we call a o line?? HMMMMmmmm

viking118480 · 01-22-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TX_OutLaw

Do you all not understand? Its quite easy! ..... Say every game they get lucky with at least 1-2 pass interference calls and its usually for the big play of 20 - 30 yrds so thats 40-60yrds every game say they play 16 games so 60 x 16 = 960 yrds ( Free yrds )

Aikman himself said it!

And another STATS mean nothing, because what it all boils down to is the end, has he got it done in the end and the annswer is NO! Romo has failed every time every year and I'm a die hard fan we've made changes all over everywhere he still has not produced a W when needed!

I don't think you understand, and I'll stop you before this goes too far. Penalties are not added to a player's personal stats. Penalties are not added to a team's offensive stats. They go in the books as penalty yards and not passing or rushing yards. I don't know where you heard anything different, but it certainly wasn't from Aikmen. I think you misunderstood what he was trying to say if you think you heard him say that. A 20 yard pass interference penalty does not add 20 yards to Romo's passing total.

lisu · 01-22-2013, 07:09 PM

As a non-Cowboy fan - I respect Romo a lot after this season with all the come from behind victories that he managed to lead the Cowboys to. I think there are bigger issues for the Cowboys namely defense and offensive line.

HBMC · 01-22-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

After thinking about it some more, the only QB in this year's draft that I could see meaning more to Jerry Jones than Romo would be Arkansas' Tyler Wilson. It was ridiculous how Jones praised former Razorback Felix Jones this past season and I can only imagine how he would lose his mind over having Wilson.

I'm going to call it now: If Wilson is there in the second round, the Boys take him - possibly even trading up to get him.

Well, I can vouch for Wilson's attitude and toughness. The Arkansas team this year wasn't very good over all and he did his best with the situation.

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Originally Posted by TX_OutLaw

So your saying since 2006 ( its now 2013 ) Dallas has had a gaping hole in what we call a o line?? HMMMMmmmm

The last Pro Bowl lineman for Dallas was Andre Gurode in 2009 (which was entirely based off of reputation, not play). The 2006-2009 group was good but they got old, fast.

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Originally Posted by lisu

As a non-Cowboy fan - I respect Romo a lot after this season with all the come from behind victories that he managed to lead the Cowboys to. I think there are bigger issues for the Cowboys namely defense and offensive line.

Thank you for being objective and logical, it's quite rare when dealing with any discussion about Romo. I agree with both lines, they're thin at almost every spot.

duwal · 01-22-2013, 10:58 PM

I voted 'no, only a new guy if Tony leaves'. As it has been said before Tony has had his problems in the playoffs and late in the season but he still can be a lethal quarterback. If you bring another QB in chances are they probably wouldn't even be in the playoff hunt with how mediocre the team is

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01-22-2013, 02:16 PM	#42 (permalink)
TheFrenzy Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 501	After thinking about it some more, the only QB in this year's draft that I could see meaning more to Jerry Jones than Romo would be Arkansas' Tyler Wilson. It was ridiculous how Jones praised former Razorback Felix Jones this past season and I can only imagine how he would lose his mind over having Wilson. I'm going to call it now: If Wilson is there in the second round, the Boys take him - possibly even trading up to get him.

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FrankieP Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 411	Is there a way to draft a GM?

01-22-2013, 07:09 PM	#48 (permalink)
lisu Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 427	As a non-Cowboy fan - I respect Romo a lot after this season with all the come from behind victories that he managed to lead the Cowboys to. I think there are bigger issues for the Cowboys namely defense and offensive line.

01-22-2013, 10:58 PM	#50 (permalink)
duwal Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,704 duwal duwal	I voted 'no, only a new guy if Tony leaves'. As it has been said before Tony has had his problems in the playoffs and late in the season but he still can be a lethal quarterback. If you bring another QB in chances are they probably wouldn't even be in the playoff hunt with how mediocre the team is