Production #'s on Red Refractors in Prizm

pnft17 · 01-31-2013, 08:44 AM

Anybody do the math and figure out what red refractors production #'s are. With 1 per box. 12 per hobby case on average. My guess is around 50-75 of each made? Gonna be a tough set to put together if anyone goes for it.

phil · 01-31-2013, 08:58 AM

it's towards the high end of your guess. 65-75 depending on how many autos are in retail.

50,500 total autos, 15% of those in retail (for example) = 43000 autos in hobby or 21500 boxes /300 = 71.7 of each red.

pnft17 · 01-31-2013, 08:59 AM

How many Hobby cases were made based on speculation?

phil · 01-31-2013, 09:07 AM

as above, for example if 15% of autos are in retail there are roughly 21500 hobby boxes or 1790 hobby cases. this does not factor any autos being held out of the print run for replacements.

side note, red RC seem to be about 1:3, so not SP compared to the vets.

pnft17 · 01-31-2013, 01:51 PM

I think retail will have 20-25% of production.
So 60-65 will probably be run on reds.

So green refractors will probably be much tougher to get than reds.

hche · 01-31-2013, 02:33 PM

On average about 2 gold per case, gold is /10. There are 12 red per case, so about 60 red (12/2x10) per card.

pnft17 · 01-31-2013, 09:12 PM

Getting in early on some of these reds now, before people figure out they are gonna be pretty tough to find once prizm flood goes away on ebay.

scotts · 01-31-2013, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pnft17

Getting in early on some of these reds now, before people figure out they are gonna be pretty tough to find once prizm flood goes away on ebay.

They are selling really well. I sold a cousins yesterday for $30 and have some watchers on the ones i have now.

Razorsharp79 · 01-31-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by phil

it's towards the high end of your guess. 65-75 depending on how many autos are in retail.

50,500 total autos, 15% of those in retail (for example) = 43000 autos in hobby or 21500 boxes /300 = 71.7 of each red.

damn, you must work for Panini to spit out #s that quick

BlueReloaded · 01-31-2013, 09:43 PM

Or he just knows basic algebra.

Razorsharp79 · 01-31-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by scotts

They are selling really well. I sold a cousins yesterday for $30 and have some watchers on the ones i have now.

Sell them now haha...the hype is greater than I have ever seen with any product in football...bigger than Luck and Cam COMBINED...sell now, buy a year from now haha

Razorsharp79 · 01-31-2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueReloaded

Or he just knows basic algebra.

He came up pretty fast with numbers...who the F knows there is 50,500 autos? who keeps up with numbers that mean nothing? just curious

pnft17 · 01-31-2013, 09:51 PM

Got outbid on Morris tonight.
I think opposite. These are gonna dry up once flood ends and prices will go up.

pnft17 · 01-31-2013, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Razorsharp79

He came up pretty fast with numbers...who the F knows there is 50,500 autos? who keeps up with numbers that mean nothing? just curious

All autos are serial #, so figuring out the total # in the product isn't that hard to do.
Just don't know how many will be held back for retail. By looks of it, Football is printed in lesser quanities than Basketball. So that is good news for football collectors.

BlueReloaded · 01-31-2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Razorsharp79

He came up pretty fast with numbers...who the F knows there is 50,500 autos? who keeps up with numbers that mean nothing? just curious

There's been at least 4 threads in the past week explaining and dissecting the number go autos in the set.

Razorsharp79 · 01-31-2013, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueReloaded

There's been at least 4 threads in the past week explaining and dissecting the number go autos in the set.

oh, well dang with the 100s of threads how I missed those are a mystery...i just thought he was a genius who worked at panini who only comments and never trades. HAHA

MeteoriteGuy · 01-31-2013, 11:05 PM

So with keeping on topic of this thread and not having to read the 50 others, I guess that would make the regular refractors a print of a bout 250?....3x the red?

scotts · 01-31-2013, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MeteoriteGuy

So with keeping on topic of this thread and not having to read the 50 others, I guess that would make the regular refractors a print of a bout 250?....3x the red?

i will take a stab at this and say that there should be a little less then that. the reds are 1 per box whereas you get 3 prizms per box. however, not only are there prizms of the base cards, but also of the inserts as well (decade dominence, brillance and rookie impact). so if you take that into account, i am gonna estimate maybe 225 or so prizm refractors? just an educated guess

pnft17 · 01-31-2013, 11:50 PM

plus 25 rookie vaiations have to factor into the totals

scotts · 01-31-2013, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pnft17

plus 25 rookie vaiations have to factor into the totals

yes..very good point. so possibly even less then that...maybe around 200?

DUCKanay · 02-01-2013, 12:10 AM

How many do you think there are of a Rookie Variant Prizm Refractor? I don't wanna sell my Doug Martin too low.

pnft17 · 02-01-2013, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DUCKanay

How many do you think there are of a Rookie Variant Prizm Refractor? I don't wanna sell my Doug Martin too low.

Not sure, what are ebay listing showing so far on prizm refractors. I'm more curious on reds. Got outbid on Alfred Morris last night.

Did win my first red, can't wait to see them in hand.

scotts · 02-01-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DUCKanay

How many do you think there are of a Rookie Variant Prizm Refractor? I don't wanna sell my Doug Martin too low.

good question. i have a kendall wright variant prizm refractor that i listed for $29.99 buy it now last night to see if anyone bites on it. so if that were to sell, you probably would look for at least 2x for the doug martin. until there is a confirmed sale, tough to say

scotts · 02-01-2013, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pnft17

Not sure, what are ebay listing showing so far on prizm refractors. I'm more curious on reds. Got outbid on Alfred Morris last night.

Did win my first red, can't wait to see them in hand.

you will not be disappointed....they are gorgeous!

JimmyMac1113 · 02-01-2013, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by scotts

i will take a stab at this and say that there should be a little less then that. the reds are 1 per box whereas you get 3 prizms per box. however, not only are there prizms of the base cards, but also of the inserts as well (decade dominence, brillance and rookie impact). so if you take that into account, i am gonna estimate maybe 225 or so prizm refractors? just an educated guess

Hey man... any guess on the print run of the rookie impact refractor versions? Pulled the Luck the other day at first thought it was just another insert.. Now Im hearing 1 per box of the regular version rookie impacts... forgive me Im not quite sure how to do this math, and if this was talked about already I apologize Ill admit I didnt feel like searching for it.... thanks bud

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pnft17 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,574	Production #'s on Red Refractors in Prizm Anybody do the math and figure out what red refractors production #'s are. With 1 per box. 12 per hobby case on average. My guess is around 50-75 of each made? Gonna be a tough set to put together if anyone goes for it.

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phil Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,621	it's towards the high end of your guess. 65-75 depending on how many autos are in retail. 50,500 total autos, 15% of those in retail (for example) = 43000 autos in hobby or 21500 boxes /300 = 71.7 of each red. Last edited by phil; 01-31-2013 at 09:00 AM.

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01-31-2013, 08:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
pnft17 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,574	How many Hobby cases were made based on speculation?

01-31-2013, 09:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
phil Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,621	as above, for example if 15% of autos are in retail there are roughly 21500 hobby boxes or 1790 hobby cases. this does not factor any autos being held out of the print run for replacements. side note, red RC seem to be about 1:3, so not SP compared to the vets.

01-31-2013, 01:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
pnft17 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,574	I think retail will have 20-25% of production. So 60-65 will probably be run on reds. So green refractors will probably be much tougher to get than reds.

01-31-2013, 02:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
hche Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,454	On average about 2 gold per case, gold is /10. There are 12 red per case, so about 60 red (12/2x10) per card.

01-31-2013, 09:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
pnft17 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,574	Getting in early on some of these reds now, before people figure out they are gonna be pretty tough to find once prizm flood goes away on ebay.

01-31-2013, 09:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
pnft17 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,574	Got outbid on Morris tonight. I think opposite. These are gonna dry up once flood ends and prices will go up.

01-31-2013, 11:05 PM	#17 (permalink)
MeteoriteGuy Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Wichita, Kansas Posts: 343	So with keeping on topic of this thread and not having to read the 50 others, I guess that would make the regular refractors a print of a bout 250?....3x the red?

01-31-2013, 11:50 PM	#19 (permalink)
pnft17 Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,574	plus 25 rookie vaiations have to factor into the totals