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Old 02-08-2013, 12:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Should we give up on boxes?

I agree with everybodys opinion on contenders and panini in general. I opened
10 boxes of contenders and got basically nothing. Less than one on card auto per box. More sticker rps than on card rps. Question is what boxes are left for us to open? They all suck. With such a great rookie class we should be having a blast with packs. Who wantstp spend 1000s on NT either when we can't get a good auto out of a whole case of contenders? I want someone to say why boxes are not dead!
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Old 02-08-2013, 12:53 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Boxes have been "dead" for years.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:00 AM   #3 (permalink)
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all cards come from a box, no one rips, no singles are FS
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Too bad we really cant organize everyone to stop buying boxes for a year, maybe costs would drop.
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When you walk into a casino and put a 20 into a machine, do you expect a 100 back everytime? Busting boxes/cases is gambling, never expect to profit and never do it unless you can afford to lose everything dollar you put in to it. The entitlement sense I see on here is crazy, stop watching youtube breaks where every case seems to be huge...they are only showing the cases that were worth posting... the rest were deleted lol
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When you walk into a casino and put a 20 into a machine, do you expect a 100 back everytime? Busting boxes/cases is gambling, never expect to profit and never do it unless you can afford to lose everything dollar you put in to it. The entitlement sense I see on here is crazy, stop watching youtube breaks where every case seems to be huge...they are only showing the cases that were worth posting... the rest were deleted lol
Read this post people, read it and retain it.

Boxes are supposed to be "fun" and a "hobby" not a profit box!
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:29 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Anyone else have a problem with "we in the hobby dont like collecting at all, instead we are indeed just going to a casino." This ideal is fundamentally flawed and doesnt constitute collecting in any real sense.

Its been time the hobby went a new direction get rid of the super high end and the hundreds of product releases a year put more time effort into a few sets make it affordable and the hobby will flourish. at these price points its just ridiculous.
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all cards come from a box, no one rips, no singles are FS
I said this the other day. People keep saying "Buy singles, if you crack boxes you're an idiot" Well, if no one cracks boxes, there aren't singles to purchase
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The problem is this is barely a hobby anymore and most people see it as investing. They buy players not because they like them but because they think they can hold them and sell them.

The fact that there's so many "boxes" that are just one pack and 5 cards proves this hobby is dying.
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I stopped breaking at the rate I was in 2009...

The average value per box from these companies has gone done in a big way since around 2009. I am not in this hobby to make money because breaking wax to make a profit will never work. However it's just not fun spending 125 on a box and getting 20 SV back 70% of the time.

Yes, it's a hobby, but no one wants to break a box and throw 100 bucks down the drain and smile because it's a "hobby". You want to see SOMETHING back of value for your money and these companies have failed the last few years.
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Old 02-08-2013, 01:53 AM   #12 (permalink)
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This hobby is dying, but I highly doubt it will ever be 'dead'.
I still collect for fun, but it is nice to know my collection is worth something.

Less and less of the next generation collecting + massive overproduction = 90's all over again. We all know it's true. That's why I think people flock to 'stable' brands like Chrome, SPA, Contenders, NT, Exquisite.

10 years from now when a serious collector wants to pick up a nice Andrew Luck Auto Rookie, he'll literally have thousands of choices but he'll probably only want to choose from a specific 10 or so cards. Lesser fly by night brands and non-auto rookies will depreciate to the point of them just being cardboard with a picture on it.

That's my apocalyptic vision for us collectors.
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No bought card will ever mean as much to me as a pulled one. The break is essential to collecting for me as is trading. Without them I wouldn't even be in the hobby.
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I agree that too many people think that every box is going to garner a 1/1 or a 200% ROI. I've got straight #@#@#@#@ on with box breaks all year long..best card I've pulled was a '63 mint Mays case hit from Heritage...big woopy. I put the set together...keep what I want...and dump the rest along with commons on ebay and whatever money I get back I use to buy singles for my PC and just hope I hit a big boy.

The problem is there is a mass over production of redundant product coming out of panini and topps at an alarming rate. The redemptions are out of control and sooner or later it's going to have to break, but this is what the "hobby" has allowed these companies to do and until the "hobby" stops allowing them to do it it's going to get worse. There's no reason why you go to topps redemption site and they are just releasing redemptions from freaking 2010. No reason at all. The cards should be in the product..period.

Busting wax is gambling...look at that one guy bought 1 pack and pulled an Andrew Luck 1/1 where as people spent $5,000 and didn't get crap and are pissed...well that's the chance ya take. Now if you pulled a hot case you'de be praising the product and probably buy another and get #@#@#@#@ on and be pissed at the product...makes no sense to me.
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If you buy a box and can't afford to lose your ass on it then don't buy boxes.
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Key word in OP = Panini...
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If every box returned 200% ROE then the price of the product would double.
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When you walk into a casino and put a 20 into a machine, do you expect a 100 back everytime? Busting boxes/cases is gambling, never expect to profit and never do it unless you can afford to lose everything dollar you put in to it. The entitlement sense I see on here is crazy, stop watching youtube breaks where every case seems to be huge...they are only showing the cases that were worth posting... the rest were deleted lol
preach on brother. Totally agree
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preach on brother. Totally agree
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A fool and his money are soon parted. Lol
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Read this post people, read it and retain it.

Boxes are supposed to be "fun" and a "hobby" not a profit box!
^^^^^^^^^^^
Both of these. Busting boxes is for collectors or those willing to take a risk to find a huge hit. If you're looking to make money in the hobby then open a store, become a distributor, or study teams and players and see which you should buy and flip at a later date. Buying a box or case and running immediately to eBay will never end well.

Sticker autos are nothing new. If you expect 15,000+ autos of every rookie like the last few years, then sticker autos are a must. If it were to drop to hundreds or a couple thousand total across 40+ products, then on card autos are more likely. Like a lot of people on here, I remember when $120-$140 per box bought you nothing more than a chance at one jersey card, if that.
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I stopped breaking at the rate I was in 2009...

The average value per box from these companies has gone done in a big way since around 2009. I am not in this hobby to make money because breaking wax to make a profit will never work. However it's just not fun spending 125 on a box and getting 20 SV back 70% of the time.

Yes, it's a hobby, but no one wants to break a box and throw 100 bucks down the drain and smile because it's a "hobby". You want to see SOMETHING back of value for your money and these companies have failed the last few years.
I agree. It's always nice to feel like you get some sort of value for the money that most of these boxes now cost.
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Breaking boxes is always a huge gamble and you lose most of the time. Way it was, way it is and the way it will always be,
You pay for the thrill of cracking packs. Form of entertainment for some.
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Although I do buy singles on ebay for PC purposes, I LOVE busting wax. It's fun, it's thrilling, and it's the best part of the hobby IMO.

While I agree that not every box is going to be a winner, I have two basic opinions on this and one kind of contradicts the other:

The "investor" side of me wants at least some value in a box. I'm not saying every one should be a winner but is it unreasonable to expect 50% SV on average? People complain about cars depreciating "once you drive it off the lot". What if your $20,000 car was only worth $2,000 if you tried to sell it the next day? That's about what happens with most hobby boxes in 2012.

The "kid" inside me is still awed by something as simple as a jersey card of my favorite player. And to think that for $100 I can buy a box of cards with 2 actual autographs just blows the kid in me's mind. When I was little, the only ways to get autos were to go to a game and get lucky or send a card through the mail and get lucky. Even then, the auto had very little monetary value if you wanted to sell it. I have a David Robinson rookie card that I got autographed in person as a kid. It was my favorite card and I always thought I'd be able to sell it for thousands, lol
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When you walk into a casino and put a 20 into a machine, do you expect a 100 back everytime? Busting boxes/cases is gambling, never expect to profit and never do it unless you can afford to lose everything dollar you put in to it. The entitlement sense I see on here is crazy, stop watching youtube breaks where every case seems to be huge...they are only showing the cases that were worth posting... the rest were deleted lol
Damn i wish there was a like button on this thread! this sums it up collect becuase you love just that collecting dont get in to this HOBBY becuase you want to make money!
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