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Old 04-26-2013, 11:58 PM   #226 (permalink)
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Decent TD. However, did you notice how the ball was thrown well behind Johnson? He almost got caught. Should have at least been on the chest/shoulder.

This is what happens when you throw it in front of/on your receiver, rather than behind:

Michael Vick 88 yard touchdown pass to DeSean Jackson. - YouTube
The difference is Foles threw to Ronald Johnson, and Vick threw to DJax, who are on two totally different levels. But whatever, we will have to wait and see. You still have a very nice collection of Vick, seriously.
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The difference is Foles threw to Ronald Johnson, and Vick threw to DJax, who are on two totally different levels. But whatever, we will have to wait and see. You still have a very nice collection of Vick, seriously.
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Damaris Johnson...
My bad. Still not comparable to Desean Jackson.
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The difference is Foles threw to Ronald Johnson, and Vick threw to DJax, who are on two totally different levels. But whatever, we will have to wait and see. You still have a very nice collection of Vick, seriously.
Thanks man! Had to sell some of my Vick autos to bulk up on EJ haha. However, it's DAMARIS Johnson haha. Both of which are speedy WRs. Damaris did our punt returns last year.
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Anyone see any QB's we can pick up in the next few rounds?
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Anyone see any QB's we can pick up in the next few rounds?
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Thanks man! Had to sell some of my Vick autos to bulk up on EJ haha. However, it's DAMARIS Johnson haha. Both of which are speedy WRs. Damaris did our punt returns last year.
Yeah I was bummed to see Desean not returning the punts last year!
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Anyone see any QB's we can pick up in the next few rounds?
Matt Scott potentially. Watched some film on him, and it seems like all he threw at Arizona were slant patterns, so I have yet to see his range.

Regardless of the arguing, I think we can all agree that the Eagles future franchise QB won't even be in the NFL this year.
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Yeah I was bummed to see Desean not returning the punts last year!
I was too. Our special teams really wasn't anything special last year. I only think we had one TD on special teams

However, I understand the reasoning. With the Eagles limited depth at WR, they wanted to protect DeSean. He probably won't be the KR/PR guy either this year.
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I was too. Our special teams really wasn't anything special last year. I only think we had one TD on special teams

However, I understand the reasoning. With the Eagles limited depth at WR, they wanted to protect DeSean. He probably won't be the KR/PR guy either this year.
Yeah good point... Either way I think we will have a better record than last year .
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Old 04-27-2013, 12:15 AM   #238 (permalink)
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On a side note, what does everybody think the Eagles will finish off with next year? Here is their schedule with my guesses:

@Redskins - WIN (no RG3?)
Chargers - WIN
Chiefs - WIN
@Broncos - LOSS (badly haha)
@Giants - LOSS
@Bucs - WIN
Cowboys - WIN
Giants - LOSS
@Raiders - WIN
@Packers - LOSS
Redskins - LOSS
BYE WEEK
Cardinals - WIN
Lions - LOSS
Vikings - LOSS
Bears - LOSS
Cowboys - LOSS

7-9

+/- two games or so.
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Decent TD. However, did you notice how the ball was thrown well behind Johnson? He almost got caught. Should have at least been on the chest/shoulder.

This is what happens when you throw it in front of/on your receiver, rather than behind:

Michael Vick 88 yard touchdown pass to DeSean Jackson. - YouTube

Also, that was during the preseason dude. Find a play where it actually matters please
Gimme a freakin break! You're gonna knock him for posting a preseason TD from this past season and then try and counter it from Mike Vick in November of 2010? HAHA, that's ridiculous and you know it
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Foles first NFL TD was a 60 yarder to Maclin in his first series in vs the Cowboys. I do believe
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On a side note, what does everybody think the Eagles will finish off with next year? Here is their schedule with my guesses:

@Redskins - WIN (no RG3?)
Chargers - WIN
Chiefs - WIN
@Broncos - LOSS (badly haha)
@Giants - LOSS
@Bucs - WIN
Cowboys - WIN
Giants - LOSS
@Raiders - WIN
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Redskins - LOSS
BYE WEEK
Cardinals - WIN
Lions - LOSS
Vikings - LOSS
Bears - LOSS
Cowboys - LOSS

7-9

+/- two games or so.

9-7. I see us beating the Giants at least once because we usually play very well against them.. And we definitely should beat the Cowboys twice
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Foles first NFL TD was a 60 yarder to Maclin in his first series in vs the Cowboys. I do believe
It was. A wide open TD, and honestly it wasn't the best-thrown ball.

Nick Foles' First Career TD Pass 11/11/12 - YouTube

Foles made Maclin stop, and Claiborne could have certainly had the opportunity to knock that out of Maclin's hands because of that.

Look, I'm not sitting here trying to say that Foles is the worst QB known to man. I'm just saying that for THIS season, if he plays 16 games as a starter, the Eagles aren't going to playoffs.
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It was. A wide open TD, and honestly it wasn't the best-thrown ball.

Nick Foles' First Career TD Pass 11/11/12 - YouTube

Foles made Maclin stop, and Claiborne could have certainly had the opportunity to knock that out of Maclin's hands because of that.

Look, I'm not sitting here trying to say that Foles is the worst QB known to man. I'm just saying that for THIS season, if he plays 16 games as a starter, the Eagles aren't going to playoffs.
You just predicted 7-9 with Vick as QB, so they wouldn't make the playoffs either. If you're missing the playoffs in both scenarios, what on earth makes putting a washed up 10 year vet out there vs a second year partial unknown a better option.

If you're gonna miss the playoffs, at least use it as a learning experience for young guys rather then extra confirmation that someone is done
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You just predicted 7-9 with Vick as QB, so they wouldn't make the playoffs either. If you're missing the playoffs in both scenarios, what on earth makes putting a washed up 10 year vet out there vs a second year partial unknown a better option.

If you're gonna miss the playoffs, at least use it as a learning experience for young guys rather then extra confirmation that someone is done
I said plus/minus a few wins. I was taking my approach conservatively in that one. Personally, I think (deep down) that the Eagles will go 10-6. However, I assumed that that would be a bit unrealistic for most people, so I took an easily achievable approach.

The difference is this:

If the Eagles make the playoffs this year, it will definitely be close (in other words, it will probably come down to the last game or two to see who makes it out of the NFC East like it usually does)

With Vick at helm, it can go either way with the Eagles.

With Foles at helm, you can be assured consistent mediocracy. Is Vick more of a gamble and more inconsistent? Sure. But when he performs, he performs.
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I said plus/minus a few wins. I was taking my approach conservatively in that one. Personally, I think (deep down) that the Eagles will go 10-6. However, I assumed that that would be a bit unrealistic for most people, so I took an easily achievable approach.

The difference is this:

If the Eagles make the playoffs this year, it will definitely be close (in other words, it will probably come down to the last game or two to see who makes it out of the NFC East like it usually does)

With Vick at helm, it can go either way with the Eagles.

With Foles at helm, you can be assured consistent mediocracy. Is Vick more of a gamble and more inconsistent? Sure. But when he performs, he performs.
So what you're telling me is that you know Foles is guaranteed inconsistent from the less then half season he played? Show me where in Vicks 10 year career he was consistent at all. You'll probably say 2010, but he has 9 other crappy years as a QB. He's definitely consistent, consistently bad
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So what you're telling me is that you know Foles is guaranteed inconsistent from the less then half season he played? Show me where in Vicks 10 year career he was consistent at all. You'll probably say 2010, but he has 9 other crappy years as a QB. He's definitely consistent, consistently bad
No. You totally misinterpreted what I said. I said Foles will be consistent, but mediocre. Vick will be inconsistent, but sometimes horrible...sometimes excellent.
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No. You totally misinterpreted what I said. I said Foles will be consistent, but mediocre. Vick will be inconsistent, but sometimes horrible...sometimes excellent.
Ok so let me rephrase, you are drawing the conclusion that Foles will be mediocre based off of less then half a season on a beat up team? How does that even make sense? If the Eagles knew you possessed that knowledge, why aren't you on payroll??
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Ok so let me rephrase, you are drawing the conclusion that Foles will be mediocre based off of less then half a season on a beat up team? How does that even make sense? If the Eagles knew you possessed that knowledge, why aren't you on payroll??
For next year, he is not the best option. Especially for the offense Chip is trying to run.

So, yes. The two Foles plays that were shown on this thread were both where Foles wasn't under immediate pressure, yet he still was unable to make an accurate throw in stride.

Russell Wilson also had a good half-season, and people are already talking about him like he's going to be the best thing in the NFL next year. So, I'm not the only one who draws conclusions from short periods of play time. Foles did not capitalize on his opportunities at all, and that is crucial if you want to win. He is not a leader or as good an athlete as Vick is.
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For next year, he is not the best option. Especially for the offense Chip is trying to run.

So, yes. The two Foles plays that were shown on this thread were both where Foles wasn't under immediate pressure, yet he still was unable to make an accurate throw in stride.

Russell Wilson also had a good half-season, and people are already talking about him like he's going to be the best thing in the NFL next year. So, I'm not the only one who draws conclusions from short periods of play time. Foles did not capitalize on his opportunities at all, and that is crucial if you want to win. He is not a leader or as good an athlete as Vick is.
He was working with a hideous cast of characters at the end of the season. He has great vision and feet and his arm strength is plenty good enough for the NFL.

Vick has shown serious regression in the past two years.
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He was working with a hideous cast of characters at the end of the season. He has great vision and feet and his arm strength is plenty good enough for the NFL.

Vick has shown serious regression in the past two years.
Entirely true, however Vick was as well. Every snap he played during the 12/13 season was under an unbelievably poor O-line. That's far worse than having below-average WR's, because you can't even throw the ball!
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