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Old 05-19-2013, 01:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey all! I saw this pop up on eBay:

Philadelphia Eagles Game Used Worn Asante Samuel Jersey Falcons UCF Team Sale | eBay

I was interested, but I noticed that it didn't come with any COA, specific game, or seem to show any signs of wear. I also noticed that the seller is currently selling several other game-worn Eagles jerseys and has sold many in the past. I PMed the seller asking if it has a COA and from what game it is from, and here was his response:

Not sure my friend, I bought 20 jerseys in a private team sale and it shows nice use with a great repair on the shoulder. The team sales don't include COA's or anything, that's more of a sports memorabilia type item, when the rack says Eagles Game Used Jerseys, they're Eagles game used jerseys, it's real nice, thanks for your interest.

I have a real Nnamdi gamer, and the jersey definitely looks spot on, but I'm not sure if it's actually game worn or just game-issued. Any thoughts? Thanks!
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Old 05-19-2013, 01:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I personally stay away from anything and anybody that says there is never a COA with stuff.
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Old 05-19-2013, 02:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks. Do you think it was just game-issued?
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No COA from a recognized company??? PASS...
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Old 05-19-2013, 02:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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No paperwork at all?

Seems legit.
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Stay away!!!!!!!! No paperwork means NO Sale
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All nfl team sales issue coas.
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Old 05-19-2013, 02:41 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks guys. I'll take it that they're not authentic. Besides, all of his jerseys look to clean to not be authentic

Knowing how 99% of our Eagles tackle, I know there should definitely be a lot of turf stain on most of these jerseys
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Thanks guys. I'll take it that they're not authentic. Besides, all of his jerseys look to clean to not be authentic

Knowing how 99% of our Eagles tackle, I know there should definitely be a lot of turf stain on most of these jerseys
Yeah man, every team has COAs they send out with the jerseys.
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The no COA thing seems fine to me. When teams have a large sale they tend to just pump out jerseys they had, and let them go for whatever.

Eagles Gamers / Team Issued on eBay - Game Used Jersey Talk - ProJerseyTalk.com

However he has been involved in some potentially shady activity -
Beware Victorino bat on eBay - Game Used Forums
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The no COA thing seems fine to me. When teams have a large sale they tend to just pump out jerseys they had, and let them go for whatever.

Eagles Gamers / Team Issued on eBay - Game Used Jersey Talk - ProJerseyTalk.com

However he has been involved in some potentially shady activity -
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DARN I'm so conflicted haha! Honestly, I'm totally fine with it not having a COA with it. I'm not looking to sell/trade it afterwards, so I just want to make sure it's authentic. A reliable COA just makes it a bit easier to believe

The main problem I have is that on all his Eagles jerseys, there doesn't seem to be any distinguishing mark or two that I could go photomatch myself. I'm fine putting in a bit of work to try to do it myself, but I just simply can't find anything that would distinguish this particular jersey from another.

For example, here is my Nnamdi gamer:



Pretend it didn't have a COA. I'd be fine using that turf stain, going back and looking at pictures to match it to a game. But I can't seem to find any distinguishing marks. Can anybody help? Thanks!
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DARN I'm so conflicted haha! Honestly, I'm totally fine with it not having a COA with it. I'm not looking to sell/trade it afterwards, so I just want to make sure it's authentic. A reliable COA just makes it a bit easier to believe

The main problem I have is that on all his Eagles jerseys, there doesn't seem to be any distinguishing mark or two that I could go photomatch myself. I'm fine putting in a bit of work to try to do it myself, but I just simply can't find anything that would distinguish this particular jersey from another.

For example, here is my Nnamdi gamer:



Pretend it didn't have a COA. I'd be fine using that turf stain, going back and looking at pictures to match it to a game. But I can't seem to find any distinguishing marks. Can anybody help? Thanks!
Honestly man... ESPECIALLY with game used/worn items, if they can't provide a legit COA or proper provenance, STAY AWAY... It's just not worth the risk...
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It's hard buying "game used" stuff off eBay without a COA, but just because it doesn't have a COA doesn't mean it isn't game used. Not saying this one is at all, but I own 49ers game used items. They don't have a COA. I've got mine direct from the players at there clean out day after the season
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You don't just have to use stains for photomatching. ANY loose threads, or even where the names/numbers/logos match up on the jersey are usually good enough. You've just gotta get hold of really good quality images (from any possible games) and try to match them...
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You don't just have to use stains for photomatching. ANY loose threads, or even where the names/numbers/logos match up on the jersey are usually good enough. You've just gotta get hold of really good quality images (from any possible games) and try to match them...
Alright you're the expert...do you see any distinct threads/marks by chance? I'm not asking you to waste an hour and look for the specific game (I'll do that), but is there anything particular you can see on the McCoy jersey that I can look for? Thanks!
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Dude it seems your mind is made up. NUMEROUS people have told you to stay away from it. But it seems like you are really leaning on picking it up.

So I guess do what you want to do.
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Dude it seems your mind is made up. NUMEROUS people have told you to stay away from it. But it seems like you are really leaning on picking it up.

So I guess do what you want to do.
It's not made up. I'm currently about 50/50. I'd like to investigate first, however. If there is no clear proof I can find that the jersey is game worn, I won't bid. If I can find proof, I will!
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Alright you're the expert...do you see any distinct threads/marks by chance? I'm not asking you to waste an hour and look for the specific game (I'll do that), but is there anything particular you can see on the McCoy jersey that I can look for? Thanks!
Nothing but the tiny flick of thread on the 2nd #2 on the front. That could be tough, but if you can find something similar and match the mesh holes up, you might have a match.

However, unless you're really desperate to add this to your collection it might not be worth the risk and hassle of trying to match it...
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So obviously no idea what game it was used in, right! I would just search photos off getty for that particular year it was made before buying.
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Thanks guys. I looked all over Getty and other places for both the Asante and Shady jerseys and couldn't find anything definitive. Oh well Thanks for the help though!

One thing I noticed was that in all the game pictures of Asante Samuel online, he doesn't wear the Nike tag on the bottom right portion on the jersey. However, in practice he does. So perhaps these are both practice-worn jerseys. But either way, I'm not interested in practice
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There are several other photo sites other than Getty. Did to you try others?
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Clutching at straws but if you zoom right in on this, is there a thread on the number?

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Try corbis images and even tumblr.
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It appears to be game issued to me but I could be wrong. I would need to see in person. That being said it should be from 2008 based on taging if you werent aware.
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It appears to be game issued to me but I could be wrong. I would need to see in person. That being said it should be from 2008 based on taging if you werent aware.
Never mind....
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