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Old 06-13-2013, 01:57 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I forgot one more: 2 super bowl rings, and a third appearance.
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Old 06-13-2013, 01:58 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I remember draft day 2008 like it was yesterday. I was hoping that the Ravens would make a move to trade up and snag Matt Ryan. When they didn't and snagged Flacco instead, I was somewhat disappointed.

What a lot of people don't understand outside of Baltimore, is that we like Joe regardless of whether people consider him elite or not. He isn't a rah rah type of guy. He's Joe Cool. He just wins. That's good enough for me.
You hit the nail on the head. Last time I checked, the QB has the most to say about the outcome of a game. Therefore, it is his responsibility to win.
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:01 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:07 PM   #29 (permalink)
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WHAT?!?!?!?!

2004:
1. Larry Fitzgerald
2. Jared Allen
3. Steven Jackson
4. Eli Manning
5. Michael Turner
6. Matt Schaub
7. Ben Roethlisberger
You should be revoked of all posting privileges for this nonsense
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I'm not usually one to say something like this, but thank you for proving that you know absolutely nothing about football. I'll hear arguments for Eli and Fitzgerald, but Roethlisberger is pretty clearly the best player from that draft. I get it though, you just look at the stats. Isn't that what Cowboys fans have to do so that they can live with Romo at QB? I'll give you a couple stats about Roethlisberger, just to feed your desire for them:
Second highest YPA in NFL History
Third Highest win percentage in NFL history
More 4th quarter comebacks than anybody since 2007 (I know this was true a year ago, someone correct me if that changed.)
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Second highest YPA in NFL History
Now who's proving their lack of Knowledge???

Career YPA
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Y/A Years Teams
1. Otto Graham+ 9.0 1946-1955 cle
2. Sid Luckman+ 8.4 1939-1950 chi
3. Norm Van Brocklin+ 8.2 1949-1960 2TM
4. Aaron Rodgers (29) 8.1 2005-2012 gnb
5. Steve Young+ 8.0 1985-1999 2TM
6. Kurt Warner 7.9 1998-2009 3TM
Tony Romo (32) 7.9 2004-2012 dal
Ben Roethlisberger (30) 7.9 2004-2012 pit
Cam Newton (23) 7.9 2011-2012 car
Ed Brown 7.9 1954-1965 3TM
11. Bart Starr+ 7.8 1956-1971 gnb

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More 4th quarter comebacks than anybody since 2007
Eli Manning 4th quarter comebacks
2007 - 5
2008* - 3
2009 - 1
2010 - 1
2011* - 7
2012* - 3
Total - 20

Ben Roethlisberger 4th quarter comebacks
2007* - 1
2008 - 5
2009 - 2
2010 - 2
2011* - 1
2012 - 2
Total - 13

Eli Manning is the ONLY QB I looked up... and comparing their stats that wasn't even true in 2011.
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:12 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Says the Pittsburgh fan.



Now who's proving their lack of Knowledge???

Career YPA
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Y/A Years Teams
1. Otto Graham+ 9.0 1946-1955 cle
2. Sid Luckman+ 8.4 1939-1950 chi
3. Norm Van Brocklin+ 8.2 1949-1960 2TM
4. Aaron Rodgers (29) 8.1 2005-2012 gnb
5. Steve Young+ 8.0 1985-1999 2TM
6. Kurt Warner 7.9 1998-2009 3TM
Tony Romo (32) 7.9 2004-2012 dal
Ben Roethlisberger (30) 7.9 2004-2012 pit
Cam Newton (23) 7.9 2011-2012 car
Ed Brown 7.9 1954-1965 3TM
11. Bart Starr+ 7.8 1956-1971 gnb

Also...


Eli Manning 4th quarter comebacks
2007 - 5
2008* - 3
2009 - 1
2010 - 1
2011* - 7
2012* - 3
Total - 20

Ben Roethlisberger 4th quarter comebacks
2007* - 1
2008 - 5
2009 - 2
2010 - 2
2011* - 1
2012 - 2
Total - 13

Eli Manning is the ONLY QB I looked up... and comparing their stats that wasn't even true in 2011.
Your YPA stats are wrong, unless ESPN was feeding me drivel all of last year.
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Your YPA stats are wrong, unless ESPN was feeding me drivel all of last year.
Taken directly from Pro-Football-Reference.com - Pro Football Statistics and History

And ESPN has been feeding everybody drivel for a long time
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WHAT?!?!?!?!

2004:
1. Larry Fitzgerald
2. Jared Allen
3. Steven Jackson
4. Eli Manning
5. Michael Turner
6. Matt Schaub
7. Ben Roethlisberger

2006:
Maurice Jones-Drew, nobody else is even that close

2008:
MATT RYAN, period. His stats DESTROY Flacco's stats.
Crap... Matt Forte, Ray Rice and Jamaal Charles are all ahead of Flacco, I might even rank Forte higher than Ryan

2009:
Arian Foster WAS NOT DRAFTED so he should not be eligible. I would go Clay Matthews or Mike Wallace

2010:
As much as I HATE the Giants, Jason Pierre-Paul is better than Bowman, so is Gronkowski and Graham.
Bowman is so underrated and overshadowed by Willis
I think bowman played better than Willis for most of last year..
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:28 PM   #34 (permalink)
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I remember draft day 2008 like it was yesterday. I was hoping that the Ravens would make a move to trade up and snag Matt Ryan. When they didn't and snagged Flacco instead, I was somewhat disappointed. That being said, I am very comfortable with Joe at the helm.

What a lot of people don't understand outside of Baltimore, is that we like Joe regardless of whether people consider him elite or not. He isn't a rah rah type of guy. He's Joe Cool. He just wins. That's good enough for me.
You're joking, right? I live in Baltimore, listen to sports radio pretty regularly, and you are definitely NOT speaking for the majority of people who live in Baltimore. At least, not before the Superbowl win.

Heck, I only need to think back to the middle of December (when the Broncos beat the Ravens in the regular season), to be reminded of when almost everyone in Baltimore was saying that the Ravens shouldn't bother re-signing Flacco.

Even when he signed his new contract, a good number of Ravens fans were complaining that the signing of Flacco would destroy the team.

Revisionist history is a wonderful thing.
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I don't even think Bowman is the best LB on his team, let alone the best player from the 2010 class. Suh or Dez should be #1.
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You're joking, right? I live in Baltimore, listen to sports radio pretty regularly, and you are definitely NOT speaking for the majority of people who live in Baltimore. At least, not before the Superbowl win.

Heck, I only need to think back to the middle of December (when the Broncos beat the Ravens in the regular season), to be reminded of when almost everyone in Baltimore was saying that the Ravens shouldn't bother re-signing Flacco.

Even when he signed his new contract, a good number of Ravens fans were complaining that the signing of Flacco would destroy the team.

Revisionist history is a wonderful thing.
What is this gibberish?

Mr. Pittsburgh in my heart likes to play fast and loose with the facts.
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What is this gibberish?

Mr. Pittsburgh in my heart likes to play fast and loose with the facts.
If you say so.
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Eli Manning 4th quarter comebacks
2007 - 5
2008* - 3
2009 - 1
2010 - 1
2011* - 7
2012* - 3
Total - 20

Ben Roethlisberger 4th quarter comebacks
2007* - 1
2008 - 5
2009 - 2
2010 - 2
2011* - 1
2012 - 2
Total - 13
I did some more research on this one, I looked up some of the top quarterbacks in the league. I just thought it was kind of interesting (and ironic).
4th Quarter comebacks since 2007
1. Eli Manning - 20
2. Tony Romo - 16
3. Matt Ryan - 16
4. Peyton Manning - 15
5. Drew Brees - 14
6. Jay Cutler - 13
7. Ben Roethlisberger - 13
8. Joe Flacco - 10
9. Tom Brady - 10
10. Philip Rivers - 9
11. Matt Schaub - 9
12. Aaron Rodgers - 8
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I don't even think Bowman is the best LB on his team, let alone the best player from the 2010 class. Suh or Dez should be #1.
Suh isn't even the best DT in that draft. I am a Lions fan but Geno Atkins is probably the best DT in the league.
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Suh isn't even the best DT in that draft. I am a Lions fan but Geno Atkins is probably the best DT in the league.
According to Football Reference's Approximate Value he is (Geno Atkins).... at least he was in 2012. He was tied for third for all defensive players behind JJ Watt and Richard Sherman.
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I did some more research on this one, I looked up some of the top quarterbacks in the league. I just thought it was kind of interesting (and ironic).
4th Quarter comebacks since 2007
1. Eli Manning - 20
2. Tony Romo - 16
3. Matt Ryan - 16
4. Peyton Manning - 15
5. Drew Brees - 14
6. Jay Cutler - 13
7. Ben Roethlisberger - 13
8. Joe Flacco - 10
9. Tom Brady - 10
10. Philip Rivers - 9
11. Matt Schaub - 9
12. Aaron Rodgers - 8
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I think I know where I screwed up, I knew my stats couldn't be that off.
It's comebacks in the final 2 minutes!
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I don't even think Bowman is the best LB on his team, let alone the best player from the 2010 class. Suh or Dez should be #1.
Just saying, not that easy to be better than the best in the NFL. LOL
bowman is an easy argument for 2nd best LB in the nfl

And I think Atkins is way better than suh
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2002- Ed Reed
2003- Troy Polamalu
2004 - Eli Manning
2005- Aaron Rodgers
2006- Ngata
2007- Adrian Peterson / Calvin Johnson
2008- Jamaal Charles (if he didn't play in a crappy KC system, he would be lights out elsewhere).
2009- Matt Stafford (Arian Foster wasn't drafted so I won't include him)
2010- Gronkowski (he might be done soon, but will go down as one of the greatest TEs ever)
2011- Von Miller (partial here to Broncos)... Watt has come on strong though.
2012- Andrew Luck / RGIII / Russel Wilson - not sure who I want to pick yet...

Let's throw one more year out there for fun...
2001 - Brees / Tomlinson / Wayne / Steve Smith??? Who do you got?
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2002- Ed Reed
2003- Troy Polamalu
2004 - Eli Manning
2005- Aaron Rodgers
2006- Ngata
2007- Adrian Peterson / Calvin Johnson
2008- Jamaal Charles (if he didn't play in a crappy KC system, he would be lights out elsewhere).
2009- Matt Stafford (Arian Foster wasn't drafted so I won't include him)
2010- Gronkowski (he might be done soon, but will go down as one of the greatest TEs ever)
2011- Von Miller (partial here to Broncos)... Watt has come on strong though.
2012- Andrew Luck / RGIII / Russel Wilson - not sure who I want to pick yet...

Let's throw one more year out there for fun...
2001 - Brees / Tomlinson / Wayne / Steve Smith??? Who do you got?
tomlinson for me. brees is great but I don't really want to count him as a great draft pick because he didn't do all the great things with the team that drafted him.

EDIT: I just used the word great a few too many times lol
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2001= Tomlinson without any doubt.
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Just saying, not that easy to be better than the best in the NFL. LOL
bowman is an easy argument for 2nd best LB in the nfl

And I think Atkins is way better than suh
Everything with this post I agree with
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Suh is a mediocre DT who plays angry and makes the occasional huge impact sack. Atkins is the biggest impact DT in the nfl. Atkins over suh in a heartbeat
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I'm a Baltimore fan mind you.

2004 is Big Ben. Eli I'll listen. But to put Matt Schaub ahead of Ben is because of hatred.
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I'm a Baltimore fan mind you.

2004 is Big Ben. Eli I'll listen. But to put Matt Schaub ahead of Ben is because of hatred.
Actually Schaub was a joke... I guess you have to live in Houston to get it - nobody here would EVER rank Schaub above Roethlisberger. But it's JUST as ridiculous to say Big Ben is 'hands down' the best player from the 2004 draft. According to football reference's approximate value ( a mechanism to compare players statistically regardless of position) he's only the fourth best player in that draft behind Philip Rivers, Jared Allen and Eli Manning.
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