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Old 07-24-2013, 04:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Evidently an SGC 96 = BGS 10 Pristine (Andrew Luck auto style)

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Old 07-24-2013, 05:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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wow i can't believe this...wtf?
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Old 07-24-2013, 05:34 AM   #3 (permalink)
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wow... another reason why graded cards are a sham...
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Old 07-24-2013, 06:54 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I submitted cards to SGC around 2003, grades were really tough. After submitting to BGS this year I am certain my old SGC cards would do much better at BGS. Problem is, those Shaq rookies are worthless now either way
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Old 07-24-2013, 07:14 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Centering a 10? Just look at it .. lol.
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Good for you, the card with the 10 grade shot up in value.
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Gotta love beckett. They seem to put 10's and 9.5s on the hot players. Place is full of fraud
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Centering a 10? Just look at it .. lol.
Without the aid of a measurement, it appears the left/right centering is less than perfect.
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Beckett needs to hire the guy from SGC who graded this. Handing out BGS 10 grades is no laughing matter. It influences the value of items by thousands and should not be taken lightly.

I have 2 cards Beckett has given bgs 9.5 and are 0.5 away from pristine and they mark all over the slabs like they are a BGS 8 when I submit for review. Then I see this crap and it ticks me off.

Maybe need to send to SGC and drop beckett after seeing this
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So I'm assuming there was questions in the past on why the guy selling THIS card also is selling 90% of the worlds BGS 10 cards?

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Old 07-24-2013, 10:18 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Beckett should be embarrassed to see that. It'd be tweeting this out f I used that crap.
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Why graded cards are (IMO) 100000000% BS.......
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This is one of the MANY reasons I dont deal with graded stuff.

Have I missed out on some resale money by not getting things graded? Probably.

Have I saved myself a lot of money/time/drama by not getting things graded? Yup.

If you're into grading stuff, cool. Everyone has their thing. I personally dont believe in it much, and prefer to let other people pay for corners/centering. If I'm buying a card for my PC, as long as it passes the eyeball test its good enough for me.
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This is why I felt it was a MAJOR conflict of interest when Beckett started grading and pricing their graded cards. SGC was ALWAYS the BEST and MOST FAIR... even over PSA... They've been phased out, unfortunately, from mainstream talk.
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This is why I felt it was a MAJOR conflict of interest when Beckett started grading and pricing their graded cards. SGC was ALWAYS the BEST and MOST FAIR... even over PSA... They've been phased out, unfortunately, from mainstream talk.
Valuation analysis should be based on legitimate data that a third party could audit and confirm. It should be easy for Beckett to provide information to squash any stigmas related to a conflict, but I'm curious if Beckett can provide data that supports their valuations.

Beckett's ebay account selling BGS graded cards is a conflict of interest. Beckett receives a benefit from a subjective grade they provide. They directly benefit from an increase in the grade of a card they eventually sell.
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Why do we assume that BGS over graded the card instead of SGC under graded it?
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SGC is tough and I personally respect their grades more than I do BGS and PSA. I really don't care for the slabs however.
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Why do we assume that BGS over graded the card instead of SGC under graded it?
BGS scored it a perfectly centered card. I have not measured it, but just looking the left-right centering on the front is off when I use the blue curvature as the basis.

Maybe that is the wrong point to judge. Can someone measure from the center of the horseshoe? Wouldn't you suspect the horseshoe is centered left/right by design?
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Why do we assume that BGS over graded the card instead of SGC under graded it?
And the edges have some serrading in the cardboard around the diecut, which would decrease both corners and edges.
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Valuation analysis should be based on legitimate data that a third party could audit and confirm. It should be easy for Beckett to provide information to squash any stigmas related to a conflict, but I'm curious if Beckett can provide data that supports their valuations.

Beckett's ebay account selling BGS graded cards is a conflict of interest. Beckett receives a benefit from a subjective grade they provide. They directly benefit from an increase in the grade of a card they eventually sell.
Beckett starting out as a third party assessing card market values. Assuming a role of a grading company, and valuing their own products (at a constant higher value level than their counterparts, even in cases it did not reign true) creating a higher perceived value by using their grading services is a conflict of interest. They created a perceived value with their "third party/first party" value assessment. By the perception they created through their own price guide, they have profited greatly. It is a conflict of interest.
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Beckett starting out as a third party assessing card market values. Assuming a role of a grading company, and valuing their own products (at a constant higher value level than their counterparts, even in cases it did not reign true) creating a higher perceived value by using their grading services is a conflict of interest. They created a perceived value with their "third party/first party" value assessment. By the perception they created through their own price guide, they have profited greatly. It is a conflict of interest.
I haven't seen one of their magazines since the early 90s. I didn't know they published graded card market values. If they report market values of graded cards then I understand your point.

They once included mail-in pages where collectors could report sales from across the country.

They should not sell items they grade. No bigger conflict.
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There is absolutely no difference between a bgs 9 and a bgs 10. Anyone who buys graded cards should know this. //end thread
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There is absolutely no difference between a bgs 9 and a bgs 10. Anyone who buys graded cards should know this. //end thread
except in some cases a couple hundred dollars... id know that if i were buying them
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Well ain't that some BULL ISH.
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Wow. Beckett at their finest here. I may just throw in the towel on the whole grading process. Between this and the damaged cards by Beckett it is not worth it. Beckett definitely favors senders and cards of players.
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