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Old 03-08-2014, 09:13 PM   #101 (permalink)
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I think we let shields go... hope to god we bring in Byrd

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4 years, $39 Million with a $12.5 million signing bonus! That just shows how much he means to the Packers, and probably what he meant to other teams as well! Here is hoping he keep up his high level of play, or maybe even raise the bar! Glad to see Shields stay with the Packers, even if it is a for more money than I imagined he would get.
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4 years, $39 Million with a $12.5 million signing bonus! That just shows how much he means to the Packers, and probably what he meant to other teams as well! Here is hoping he keep up his high level of play, or maybe even raise the bar! Glad to see Shields stay with the Packers, even if it is a for more money than I imagined he would get.
Ugh... I like Shields, but I can't help but see an overpay.

Drew Rosenhaus strikes again!

Edit: Now I am seeing that it is actually backloaded... hmm.

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Signing bonus is not put all in the cap number for the year, but is spread out for the life of the contract.Therefore his 12.5 mil signing bonus counts as 3.125 mil against the cap. So his numbers should look like this:
2014: 5.625 mil
2015: 9.125 mil
2016: 12.125 mil
2017: 12.125 mil
Now it makes me think GB is going to make a play for more this year...
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I agree Tommy, I also thought "overpay" off the bat as well. Then I took a second and thought about it. All it takes is one BIG play that makes a difference in a Super Bowl winning season and it is all worth it.
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Edited my post.

More reading sounds like they backloaded the deal. Now, the Packers still NEED to spend $11 million just to get to the required minimum of the salary cap. The are still about $27 million under overall.

It makes me think they will still make a play for a bigger name. Byrd, please!
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Looks like Byrd could hppen, and we might get raji to a 1yr deal. n2b...
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I would bet that ted take a swing at byrd, and if he get's him, he drafts LB. If he misses, he drafts Pryor or Dix.

For the DL he will do a lot of short term deals. Tyson Jackson, Raji, etc will get 1 yr deals
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Bring demarcus ware to gb!!!!!!!
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Having Byrd in the backfield or Ware opposite Matthews would be amazing!
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I did a mock for the Packers... I would be JACKED for this draft.

Your score is: 4730 (Drafting Ability: A-, Player Quality B, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 21: Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina (A)
Round 2 Pick 21: Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota (A)
Round 3 Pick 21: Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (A)
Round 4 Pick 21: Kenny Ladler, FS, Vanderbilt (B)
Round 5 Pick 21: Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 6 Pick 21: David Fales, QB, San Jose State (A)
Round 7 Pick 21: Aaron Lynch, DE, South Florida (A)
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Idk man, i guess it depends on who is on the board at 21. I don't like ebron there. I think you can find an athletic TE, or even just a good TE for better value. Jermaine Gresham and Zach Ertz were r1, but Jordan Cameron and Charles Clay were r4 and r6 respectively.

If we are passing on either of the top safeties or CJ Mosley, or (god i hope he's there) Aaron Donald, Ebron is a bad pick.

I did, however, get aroused at the thought of us getting Ra'Shede Hageman. Kenny Ladler can lay the wood too, so if that's our saftey thats not awful, but I dont think he'll be there in R4.


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Your score is: 4730 (Drafting Ability: A-, Player Quality B, Future Draft Picks: N/A)

Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 21: Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina (A)
Round 2 Pick 21: Ra'Shede Hageman, DT, Minnesota (A)
Round 3 Pick 21: Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech (A)
Round 4 Pick 21: Kenny Ladler, FS, Vanderbilt (B)
Round 5 Pick 21: Antone Exum, CB, Virginia Tech (A)
Round 6 Pick 21: David Fales, QB, San Jose State (A)
Round 7 Pick 21: Aaron Lynch, DE, South Florida (A)
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Idk man, i guess it depends on who is on the board at 21. I don't like ebron there. I think you can find an athletic TE, or even just a good TE for better value. Jermaine Gresham and Zach Ertz were r1, but Jordan Cameron and Charles Clay were r4 and r6 respectively.

If we are passing on either of the top safeties or CJ Mosley, or (god i hope he's there) Aaron Donald, Ebron is a bad pick.

I did, however, get aroused at the thought of us getting Ra'Shede Hageman. Kenny Ladler can lay the wood too, so if that's our saftey thats not awful, but I dont think he'll be there in R4.
Mosley, Pryor, and Clinton-Dix were all gone. They were my first options...

I don't think Aaron Donald fits our defense.
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Mosley, Pryor, and Clinton-Dix were all gone. They were my first options...

I don't think Aaron Donald fits our defense.
I disagree with you there. I think he would make an amazing 3-4 end. 290 and explosive as hell. great against the run, and would be killer against the pass.

That draft scenario is what worries me most. If all three are gone, there aren't a lot of impact players left at 21. I'm of the mindset that you draft for talent in r1 and need in the rest. I'd almost rather see us take cooks from OSU or Odell Beckam from LSU at 21. That's hyperbole, but you get the idea.
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I disagree with you there. I think he would make an amazing 3-4 end. 290 and explosive as hell. great against the run, and would be killer against the pass.

That draft scenario is what worries me most. If all three are gone, there aren't a lot of impact players left at 21. I'm of the mindset that you draft for talent in r1 and need in the rest. I'd almost rather see us take cooks from OSU or Odell Beckam from LSU at 21. That's hyperbole, but you get the idea.
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We already have two nice DE in Jones and Daniels. Still have Worthy who could develop. Need a block eating DT who is NOT Raji (where I think Hageman will fit). Not that I don't think Donald could work, but I would even rather have Louis Nix than Donald.

Even still, at 21, if Mosley, C-D and Pryor are all gone, without Finley, GB still needs an impact TE and I think if Ebron drops, he wouldn't be a bad selection.
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I disagree with you there. I think he would make an amazing 3-4 end. 290 and explosive as hell. great against the run, and would be killer against the pass.

That draft scenario is what worries me most. If all three are gone, there aren't a lot of impact players left at 21. I'm of the mindset that you draft for talent in r1 and need in the rest. I'd almost rather see us take cooks from OSU or Odell Beckam from LSU at 21. That's hyperbole, but you get the idea.
It would be a waste of talent to have Donald in a 3-4. Dosent play to his strong suits.

Happy about Shields resigning, the deal is heavily front loaded which offers the Packers flexibility next year when trying to resign Cobb, Nelson, and Bulaga.
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We already have two nice DE in Jones and Daniels. Still have Worthy who could develop. Need a block eating DT who is NOT Raji (where I think Hageman will fit). Not that I don't think Donald could work, but I would even rather have Louis Nix than Donald.

Even still, at 21, if Mosley, C-D and Pryor are all gone, without Finley, GB still needs an impact TE and I think if Ebron drops, he wouldn't be a bad selection.
Reasonable people can disagree. The kids size and athleticism make him suited to anything his team pleases, really. To be honest, I would be surprised if he made it to us at 21 as well.

I would be really worried about Nix for health issues. He seems to get dinged up a lot which is not good for a big man. little injuries can get compounded very quickly.

I don't disagree with the premise that Ebron is good player. My biggest issue is that when you look at the team we have, is a r1 pick best suited for a marginal piece of the offense, or a key component of the D? I think Donald, Timmy Jernigan, Justin Gilbert (or Darqueze. whoever falls) are better value to the team in this situation. Picking up a big TE diamond in the rough seems like a TT thing to do. First round TEs very rarely pan out.

To illustrate the r1 TE point, in the 2010 draft, the bengals were picking at 21 as well, so it's a good comparison. They took gresham, but could have had, Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant, Devin McCourty, or Roger Saffold. Then Rob Gronkowski went at 42.
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Oops, forgot to include Dee Ford. Could take a flyer on him too.
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Guys I would love to have at #21:

Ha Ha Clinton Dix
Calvin Pryor
Eric Ebron
CJ Mosely

I think we overpaid a bit on Shields, but given his age and how well he's played keeping in mind that he's still learning the position, it could be viewed as a steal in a year or two. He has yet to enter his prime.
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In a perfect world, we'd land Jarius Byrd and draft Ebron.

Resign Raji on the cheap and pass on a Hageman.

Resign Mike Neal, I dig his versatility.

Then I want to trade up in the 2nd and get Ryan Shazier from Ohio State. I also wouldn't complain if we drafted Mosely in the first, and Jace Amaro in the 2nd.
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Glad to see Shields be brought back, even if the number is a little higher than I'd like. Talent costs money, so I'm just glad he's locked in for awhile.

As for Byrd, I'd love to see him brought in, but I just don't see that happening. He's going to be expensive, and I'm just not sure that TT would pull the trigger. Worked out well when he did on Charles Woodson, but you never know.

On the draft note, I'm not keen at all on using the first round pick on a tight end, especially considering some of the holes the defense has.
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I think signing tillman on the cheap is more likely than us getting bryd
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On the draft note, I'm not keen at all on using the first round pick on a tight end, especially considering some of the holes the defense has.
I know what your saying and would normally agree. I watched this Ebron at combine and they were high high on him. He looks like a beast!

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I think signing tillman on the cheap is more likely than us getting bryd
more likely, definitely. us getting byrd is a pipe dream, but as long as there is that glimmer of hope.....

we need a difference maker at FS. since the nick Collins injury this defense has not been the same. it would also allow us to move morgan burnett back to where he belongs at SS.
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Ebron is a real difference maker. He very well could end up being what Jermichael Finley was supposed to be. I doubt he falls to #21, but if he does, I thinks Teddy is going to have to think long and hard about him....
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Reasonable people can disagree. The kids size and athleticism make him suited to anything his team pleases, really. To be honest, I would be surprised if he made it to us at 21 as well.

I would be really worried about Nix for health issues. He seems to get dinged up a lot which is not good for a big man. little injuries can get compounded very quickly.

I don't disagree with the premise that Ebron is good player. My biggest issue is that when you look at the team we have, is a r1 pick best suited for a marginal piece of the offense, or a key component of the D? I think Donald, Timmy Jernigan, Justin Gilbert (or Darqueze. whoever falls) are better value to the team in this situation. Picking up a big TE diamond in the rough seems like a TT thing to do. First round TEs very rarely pan out.

To illustrate the r1 TE point, in the 2010 draft, the bengals were picking at 21 as well, so it's a good comparison. They took gresham, but could have had, Demaryius Thomas, Dez Bryant, Devin McCourty, or Roger Saffold. Then Rob Gronkowski went at 42.
Lets be honest...

Rarely do TT's first round picks pan out with whomever he picks. Maybe he should just trade down to round 2, stock up, and go wild in R2 and R3. He is hot there.
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I don't see the Packers signing Byrd with the rest of the players the Packers have to resign(Kuhn, Quarless, Neal, etc).

I just want to see the Packers address the safety situation either through a cheaper FA(Clemens from Mia would be nice) or through the draft(Mainly one or possibly two of Clinton-Dix, Ward,Pryor, Buchannon)


Also don't see why the Packers would sign Tillman, he would probably be the 3rd or maybe even 4th best CB on the team and would be getting paid like he is 1 or a 2.
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