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Old 02-27-2014, 07:12 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I hope it stays how it is. Panini does a great job ... and not having Topps would be terrible for reasons relating to tradition, even though their products are repetitive and they make no attempt to have player-worn jerseys.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:12 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Is it Wild Card? I bet it's Wild Card. I cannot wait for the 1 trillion stripe. (Inflation, gotta keep up.)
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I hope it stays how it is.
If you've been in the hobby for any length of time, you'll know that is the one thing you can count on NOT happening in the industry.
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Old 02-27-2014, 07:15 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Topps does not support a wide array of HOF and Vet autos. They rely mostly on Rookies as their strong suite. I would not want to pull scrub autos as my hit constantly.
I enjoy what Panini does as a whole except they also put out too much crap filler brands like Threads, Momentum, and Totally Certified.
I miss SPA, Ultimate, and Premier from UD, but they can't seem to stop screwing anyone over. I busted a case of 2009 SPx, and got mostly junk autos and single colored patches of HOF'ers and Vets. Drove me crazy.
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I also wanted to say something about contenders. Contenders has underwhelmed me lately. In past years, contenders has been decent. But this 2013 contenders, I cannot take it. TOO MANY FREAKING VARIATIONS!!! Each player that has a base and variation, has 8 printing plate autos. 2 champ tix. 42 cracked ice. They watered down a great product. NT looks great this year, but I also saw that some players have like 12 1/1s. PANINI IS WRECKING RESALE VALUE FOR EVERYTHINGGGGGGGG. Rant done.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:18 PM   #57 (permalink)
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I also wanted to say something about contenders. Contenders has underwhelmed me lately. In past years, contenders has been decent. But this 2013 contenders, I cannot take it. TOO MANY FREAKING VARIATIONS!!! Each player that has a base and variation, has 8 printing plate autos. 2 champ tix. 42 cracked ice. They watered down a great product. NT looks great this year, but I also saw that some players have like 12 1/1s. PANINI IS WRECKING RESALE VALUE FOR EVERYTHINGGGGGGGG. Rant done.
Have ya looked at Topps stuff the past few years? Rainbows started there. Lol
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:26 PM   #58 (permalink)
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PANINI IS WRECKING RESALE VALUE FOR EVERYTHINGGGGGGGG. Rant done.
That's not what card collecting is about. If you want to go gamble your money away, go be legitimate and do it at a casino.

And Topps doesn't have umpteen different refractors and variations in every freaking product? Oooooooo, a numbered base card of Brian Orakpo worth $2 (more like $.99 with free shipping that is Priority)! Woohoo! It costs that much to ship the damned thing!
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:28 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Having an exclusive company for any sports card is a horrible idea. Competition is what drives creativity. Can you imagine how bad the already horrible customer service will be for a company that has an exclusive deal? Every card collector will have to become a stock owner in KY or Vaseline.
Panini had the competition part down but forgot about the creativity.
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:32 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Imagine just for a second that some company other than Panini or Topps takes an exclusive NFL license.

No Chrome, Contenders, NT, or Base Topps. I don't think the hobby would recover from that.
No Topps almost happened in 2011. That would have sucked
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That's not what card collecting is about. If you want to go gamble your money away, go be legitimate and do it at a casino.

And Topps doesn't have umpteen different refractors and variations in every freaking product? Oooooooo, a numbered base card of Brian Orakpo worth $2 (more like $.99 with free shipping that is Priority)! Woohoo! It costs that much to ship the damned thing!
Well my rant about "no resale value" really goes back far. To when numbered cards actually meant something and were rare. Now, you can get like 20 numbered cards per box. They're just as worthless as base cards.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:07 PM   #62 (permalink)
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The only good thing that panini makes is NT. If upper deck made spa and exquisite with nfl uniforms again, I would cry tears of joy.
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I would gladly watch all the junk panini puts out go down in flames to see UD products in NFL uniforms again!!
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:10 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Imagine just for a second that some company other than Panini or Topps takes an exclusive NFL license.

No Chrome, Contenders, NT, or Base Topps. I don't think the hobby would recover from that.
It would be fine. Topps and chrome are overrated anyway.

Rather have exquisite, spa, uc,etc. than all that panini/topps crap anyway. NT/Contenders would be the only ones missed.

None of that was around in the past and the hobby was bigger.

Yeah I can't wait to get a card in 20 different colors. Neat...
Baseball produces nothing but junk for decades but people still buy. I stopped collecting baseball 25 years ago except vintage. The word refractor makes me puke.
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I wonder if the NFLPA is getting complaints from players about having to sign from a number of different companies and the NFL just wants to consolidate the process.
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Old 02-28-2014, 12:48 AM   #65 (permalink)
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I wonder if the NFLPA is getting complaints from players about having to sign from a number of different companies and the NFL just wants to consolidate the process.
That is a good post and thought.

Some of these players have to hate signing.

Look at it from there view point. They already have millions of dollars in the bank and its probably just a pain in the azz and time consuming for them. They don't receive anywhere near the rate to sign for companies that they command at shows. Not even close.

I wonder if after next year will Panini hockey cards already on the market from the last few years be as worthless as Pacific hockey cards are now?

I much as I cant stand some Topps products and there customer service is non existant...the hobby would not be the same without Topps Chrome.


Chrome is king............nothing else is even close. Not even Contenders.


I know plenty of people that don't touch Contenders.

I have never,ever met a collector that does not collect Topps Chrome. Not one.
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That is a good post and thought.

Some of these players have to hate signing.

Look at it from there view point. They already have millions of dollars in the bank and its probably just a pain in the azz and time consuming for them. They don't receive anywhere near the rate to sign for companies that they command at shows. Not even close.

I wonder if after next year will Panini hockey cards already on the market from the last few years be as worthless as Pacific hockey cards are now?

I much as I cant stand some Topps products and there customer service is non existant...the hobby would not be the same without Topps Chrome.



Chrome is king............nothing else is even close. Not even Contenders.


I know plenty of people that don't touch Contenders.

I have never,ever met a collector that does not collect Topps Chrome. Not one.
I like to introduce myself as the collector who does not chase Topps Chrome. I stopped doing the set in 2009. Too many off center cards and surface defects. I got tired of pulling hot rookies of the moment and getting killed on the grading because of the centering. You can only have so many "shiny" and refractor cards in one produce before it gets old to me. I removed myself from over paying for Super refractors that are ridiculously high and never return any value when I sell or trade for something else I wanted.

There is an arrogance that permeates the industry when someone corners the market or they believe the hobby can't survive without their product. I see more crap that looks the same, little respect ( in design) for what came before and an over all watering down of value. If you want an auto of some hot rookie, it makes no sense to spend $1000's when there are 1000's of rookie autos of that player.

I collect hard to do sets because I like the challenge. I know full well they are not work the money I put into them. I have given up on a lot of stuff/sets because there's nothing unique about them. A 1/1 means nothing if the same player has 50+ 1/1's in a year.
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It would be fine. Topps and chrome are overrated anyway.

Rather have exquisite, spa, uc,etc. than all that panini/topps crap anyway. NT/Contenders would be the only ones missed.

None of that was around in the past and the hobby was bigger.

Yeah I can't wait to get a card in 20 different colors. Neat...
Baseball produces nothing but junk for decades but people still buy. I stopped collecting baseball 25 years ago except vintage. The word refractor makes me puke.
Regardless of your opinion of any of the companies, I don't see how you could think the hobby in general wouldn't miss Topps Chrome. It's generally received quite well, holds the most value considering basically all the autos are on card, and superfractors are a huge part of the hobby now.

Take a look at the basketball board. 5 years later and I bet you 95% of them would love to have Topps Chrome back.
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Regardless of your opinion of any of the companies, I don't see how you could think the hobby in general wouldn't miss Topps Chrome. It's generally received quite well, holds the most value considering basically all the autos are on card, and superfractors are a huge part of the hobby now.

Take a look at the basketball board. 5 years later and I bet you 95% of them would love to have Topps Chrome back.
Who needs Chrome when you have Flawless in basketball?! Lol
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I wonder if the NFLPA is getting complaints from players about having to sign from a number of different companies and the NFL just wants to consolidate the process.
I could be wrong here, but I thought it was not compulsory for players to sign autos? My understanding was the NFLPA license just allows the companies to produce cards of these players and does not mean the players have to sign for them? I could be very wrong here though!
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Panini has destroyed the basketball market by flooding it with way too many releases. All their hockey products fall waaayyyyyy below cost. I'm not impressed with their Football stuff and let's not forget to mention how disgusting their baseball releases are.

Customer service is terrible. 2 year old redemptions they won't respond to fill. Brutal, lame designs and concepts. 3 plain jerseys and a no name auto for $100-150 a box. Bye bye Panini.
You and every other person bashing Panini are ignorant. Panini is by far the best card company right now and it's not even close. Nobody is forcing you to purchase boxes/cases. You complain about slow turn arounds with old redemptions? Try an old redemption with Topps or UD and tell me how that goes. Even with new redemptions they're beyond slow. Open your eyes and realize that Panini is the only one somewhat listening to the customers.
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I'd want to jump off of a bridge if Chrome went away
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If there is an exclusive deal in football I will probably just give the hobby up. It would literally ruin it for me.
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You and every other person bashing Panini are ignorant. Panini is by far the best card company right now and it's not even close. Nobody is forcing you to purchase boxes/cases. You complain about slow turn arounds with old redemptions? Try an old redemption with Topps or UD and tell me how that goes. Even with new redemptions they're beyond slow. Open your eyes and realize that Panini is the only one somewhat listening to the customers.
Panini's customer service has gone down hill recently. The first of this year I tried getting some redemptions replaced. They no longer pick up the phone. There is no email address to correspond with. They have never checked the comments section of your redemptions. I ended up having to essentially correspond through voicemail asking for replacements. And still don't have any updates from panini.
Around the same time I made requests with Topps (via email) and Upper Deck (phone call). Both have taken care of the requests since now. Panini's doing what they do best: bait and switch. They were really committed to "customer service for a year or two, but now they're the same or worse than the others at this point.
Panini makes 2 products that I want cards from: Contenders and NT. EVERYTHING else looks like garbage or worse to me. They screwed up Prizm in the second year with the screw up on the autos and finites. They may be "listening" to collectors, but they're listening to the wrong suggestions. They keep adding more "hits", but they're trash (sticker autos galore and event used patch cards for everyone).
I'm not saying they're all perfect, but Topps has the longest history in the market and UD makes the nicest cards. I'll take those over Panini's feeble attempts to rip off those companies designs and ideas.
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