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Old 01-06-2012, 01:46 AM   #176 (permalink)
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Wouldn't have expected this.
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Wouldn't have expected this.
Who would have?? A kid with over 600+ perfect iTrader being a scumbag. As much as I liked him it's just pathetic.
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Noticed that too. I'm confused but don't feel like reading 8 pages of posts at 12 am
So you would rather someone dilute the OP's word by a post count and feedback at 12am?
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Don't know the dude[papiis] but def. worth reading while on the Chiter. It played out like a small soap oprea, a sad one. See yaa papo's
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So once you get through all the nonsense, basically he bid up cards with a user name close to this other guy and the other guy couldn't win the cards. Then sometimes he didn't pay which would get him a NPB strike and eventually shut the account down.....
Yes and sellers were seeing the very similar name and then blocking the real munchiemonkey or crunch&munch or whatever his name is. Nick was making it very difficult for this guy to bid on anything Taylor Price.
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Yes and sellers were seeing the very similar name and then blocking the real munchiemonkey or crunch&munch or whatever his name is. Nick was making it very difficult for this guy to bid on anything Taylor Price.
So what part of that is actually a criminal/civil offense?
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So what part of that is actually a criminal/civil offense?
Seems to me that it is more of a morals/ethics thing.
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So what part of that is actually a criminal/civil offense?
Can you steal someone's online identity?
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Seems to me that it is more of a morals/ethics thing.
I'm not syaing it isn't, but I see a bunch of posts that read like the worst parts of Twilight about Lawyers and international fraud ect ect and I'm waiting to hear the actuall legal precadence of how out bidding and violating ebay TOS is grounds to sue this kid and his family.
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Can you steal someone's online identity?
If I make a SN Freeman12406.5 an I stealing your identity? Unless I gain financially from it, or open a credit card..which would be pretty hard with only a user name. I don't see how it's identiy theft

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being a NPB isn't a federal or state felony
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If I make a SN Freeman12406.5 an I stealing your identity?
Varies from state to state. I recently had a case that fell under cyberbullying/harassment that involved one student making a facebook profile with disparaging remarks with the other students name.

Not saying this is applicable in RI as I am too lazy to look it up but in TX strict laws have been passed.

Sec. 33.07. ONLINE HARASSMENT. (a) A person commits an
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The term does not include an electronic mail program or a message
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My particular case got dismissed but I would have been curious as to the constitutionality of this "vague" law had it progressed.
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Varies from state to state. I recently had a case that fell under cyberbullying/harassment that involved one student making a facebook profile with disparaging remarks with the other students name.

Not saying this is applicable in RI as I am too lazy to look it up but in TX strict laws have been passed.

Sec. 33.07. ONLINE HARASSMENT. (a) A person commits an
offense if the person uses the name or persona of another person to
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social networking site :
(1) without obtaining the other person’s consent; and
(2) with the intent to harm, defraud, intimidate, or
threaten any person.
(b) A person commits an offense if the person sends an
electronic mail, instant message, text message, or similar
communication that references a name, domain address, phone number,
or other item of identifying information belonging to any person:
(1) without obtaining the other person’s consent;
(2) with the intent to cause a recipient of the
communication to reasonably believe that the other person
authorized or transmitted the communication; and
(3) with the intent to harm or defraud any person.
(c) An offense under Subsection (a) is a felony of the third
degree. An offense under Subsection (b) is a Class A misdemeanor,
except that the offense is a felony of the third degree if the actor
commits the offense with the intent to solicit a response by
emergency personnel.
(d) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this
section also constitutes an offense under any other law, the actor
may be prosecuted under this section, the other law, or both.
(e) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that
the actor is any of the following entities or that the actor’s
conduct consisted solely of action taken as an employee of any of
the following entities:
(1) a commercial social networking site ;
(2) an Internet service provider;
(3) an interactive computer service, as defined by 47
U.S.C. Section 230;
(4) a telecommunications provider, as defined by
Section 51.002, Utilities Code; or
(5) a video service provider or cable service
provider, as defined by Section 66.002, Utilities Code.
(f) In this section:
(1) ” Commercial social networking site ” means any
business, organization, or other similar entity operating a website
that permits persons to become registered users for the purpose of
establishing personal relationships with other users through
direct or real-time communication with other users or the creation
of web pages or profiles available to the public or to other users.
The term does not include an electronic mail program or a message
board program.
(2) “Identifying information” has the meaning
assigned by Section 32.51.
SECTION 2. This Act takes effect September 1, 2009.


My particular case got dismissed but I would have been curious as to the constitutionality of this "vague" law had it progressed.

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I agree that it's messed up what nick did. But, are you really gonna go after him legally over something like this?
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So once you get through all the nonsense, basically he bid up cards with a user name close to this other guy and the other guy couldn't win the cards. Then sometimes he didn't pay which would get him a NPB strike and eventually shut the account down.....
“What you perceive, your observations, feelings, interpretations, are all your truth. Your truth is important. Yet it is not The Truth.” -Linda Ellinor


It is so more complex and deeper than that simplistic jargon you just spoke. You like defending your friend, that is your prerogative. Don't hate because the truth is out. Don't attack me for being the downfall of papiis01, he is responsible for his own downfall.

The complex truth is don't judge a book by it's cover.

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He created ebay accounts willy nilly how many he created and burned I won't know until ebay's records are subpeonaed

He artificially inflated bids with no intention to pay (as in could not would not afford to pay), he illegally bid high then won then failed to pay on numerous auctions

He committed identity theft by claiming he was me even when asked did other account belong to him, getting my bids banned, removed tarnishing my spotless reputation causing grief, harassment, verbal assaults and tirades. He did this by manipulating ebay, sellers and buyers by speaking offensively about me, and carrying on disrespectfully and abusively as me per se, in lamens terms he pretended to be me to trash my buying reputation thereby getting my bids blocked, removed, banned (how do i know this, msgs received and saved in ebay msg box by several sellers claiming they had spoken to me on my other account, including a few colorful abusive ones)

His scheming, manipulating, and complex social engineering, the summation of the depth to his means to appropriate just silly cards has me aghast in horror. His complex and brilliant albeit criminal thieving while living a dual life as an honest respected trader here at least reads like textbook Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD).


Crime online is in its infancy, new laws written daily. Recently laws were passed against criminal harassment and menacing. My attorney requested I file a report here: cybercrime.gov , because I was involved in a transaction defrauding someone internationally.

Identity theft is a form of stealing another person's identity in which someone pretends to be someone else by assuming that person's identity, typically in order to access resources or obtain credit and other benefits in that person's name.



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I guess I just don't see how it is worth it to take bin to court over cardboard. I understand what he did was wrong but I just can't see why it is worth it to take it this far over some Taylor Price cards.
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It all boils down to, what will the jury decide.

I have already committed a significant amount of money to explore what avenues are available if any. At worst I lose some money dragging this guy in court with a mountain of irrefutable evidence backing me up and the jury hates on me sending me home. At best, the jury studies the complex underhanded totality of what he did and bankrupts his future pay or his parents will be undeserverdly made to be responsible for his actions. Or somewhere between.

I get that some of you have had a relationship thinking this was a standup guy, but reality has a way of crumbling glass houses.

Think real hard honestly what you would do.

I have received several messages from the offender what he can do to make it right. He needs to learn a hard lesson as simple forgiveness won't be forthcoming. My ebay account is blocked on half the cards I bid for because of him. I have 2572 feedback, 1496 unique 100% positive buying/selling, no I won't just make another account.
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To bid up a card and fail to pay posing as "munchiesthemonkey" only to then win the card on a re-post using "mysoxrox711" because the seller blocked both "munchiesthemonkey" and "munchiesthemonkey711" is just wrong. He cost the seller money.

I do not mean to belabor the point. He apologized and that is all I wanted.

If you are a Delone Carter supercollector or a Gronkowski supercollector and I intentionally bid up those cards out of whatever (jealousy or malice or immaturity or just plain boredom) with a username strikingly similar to your own... I mean how many MunchieTheMonkey's are there? and then allow your account to get blocked...

Well, I won't have to worry about competing with you on the re-list will I? I can win the card at a fraction of the price. I can relish at your falling reputation. I can just laugh at how you can no longer win your precious Taylor Price cards - or at the fact you have to pay crazy prices for them if you do win.

When the auction ended, greenjdo sent me a message: "How the hell did a Taylor Price auto out sell my Lawrence Taylor auto?"

Well, now we know.

Defend the action if you want to - but it was wrong.

Mock the op because he has few posts or that his actual posts are novella sized - do that if you want to.

In then end, the OP was right to defend himself.

I was right to post the corroborating information - even though I would have rather not.

Pskell02 was right to take action - even though he probably wishes he didn't have to.

Call the OP crazy or a yenta or a newbie or whatever you want - just also call him right.
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I mean really though....so you missed out on some football cards.

Your going to put more money into taking him to court than I would imagine the cards are even worth.

Maybe I missed something in the 8 pages but it seems like maybe the court would have more important fish to fry.

Nick was wrong in what he did, I won't disagree on that, but what will taking him to court really prove? I assume you have never made a mistake in your life?
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“What you perceive, your observations, feelings, interpretations, are all your truth. Your truth is important. Yet it is not The Truth.” -Linda Ellinor


It is so more complex and deeper than that simplistic jargon you just spoke. You like defending your friend, that is your prerogative. Don't hate because the truth is out. Don't attack me for being the downfall of papiis01, he is responsible for his own downfall.

The complex truth is don't judge a book by it's cover.

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He created ebay accounts willy nilly how many he created and burned I won't know until ebay's records are subpeonaed

He artificially inflated bids with no intention to pay (as in could not would not afford to pay), he illegally bid high then won then failed to pay on numerous auctions

He committed identity theft by claiming he was me even when asked did other account belong to him, getting my bids banned, removed tarnishing my spotless reputation causing grief, harassment, verbal assaults and tirades. He did this by manipulating ebay, sellers and buyers by speaking offensively about me, and carrying on disrespectfully and abusively as me per se, in lamens terms he pretended to be me to trash my buying reputation thereby getting my bids blocked, removed, banned (how do i know this, msgs received and saved in ebay msg box by several sellers claiming they had spoken to me on my other account, including a few colorful abusive ones)

His scheming, manipulating, and complex social engineering, the summation of the depth to his means to appropriate just silly cards has me aghast in horror. His complex and brilliant albeit criminal thieving while living a dual life as an honest respected trader here at least reads like textbook Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD).


Crime online is in its infancy, new laws written daily. Recently laws were passed against criminal harassment and menacing. My attorney requested I file a report here: cybercrime.gov , because I was involved in a transaction defrauding someone internationally.

Identity theft is a form of stealing another person's identity in which someone pretends to be someone else by assuming that person's identity, typically in order to access resources or obtain credit and other benefits in that person's name.



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1. I am not defending him, obvioulsy if you took more time to read, rather then scoure the internet for quotes you could see that all I was refering to was the legal precedence.

2. Your pretty much just being a douche at this point, you could have just let his parents take care of it.
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For the record, I have no dog in this fight, and what Nick did was very wrong.


But kudos to you for taking legal action against a High Schooler over cardboard with some dudes jock strap on it. I hope it turns out well for you.. Or you get laughed out of court. Either way works for me.

One question since a lot of what you believe, or state you believe, is based on religion. What Would Jesus Do?
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To bid up a card and fail to pay posing as "munchiesthemonkey" only to then win the card on a re-post using "mysoxrox711" because the seller blocked both "munchiesthemonkey" and "munchiesthemonkey711" is just wrong. He cost the seller money.

I do not mean to belabor the point. He apologized and that is all I wanted.

If you are a Delone Carter supercollector or a Gronkowski supercollector and I intentionally bid up those cards out of whatever (jealousy or malice or immaturity or just plain boredom) with a username strikingly similar to your own... I mean how many MunchieTheMonkey's are there? and then allow your account to get blocked...

Well, I won't have to worry about competing with you on the re-list will I? I can win the card at a fraction of the price. I can relish at your falling reputation. I can just laugh at how you can no longer win your precious Taylor Price cards - or at the fact you have to pay crazy prices for them if you do win.

When the auction ended, greenjdo sent me a message: "How the hell did a Taylor Price auto out sell my Lawrence Taylor auto?"

Well, now we know.

Defend the action if you want to - but it was wrong.

Mock the op because he has few posts or that his actual posts are novella sized - do that if you want to.

In then end, the OP was right to defend himself.

I was right to post the corroborating information - even though I would have rather not.

Pskell02 was right to take action - even though he probably wishes he didn't have to.

Call the OP crazy or a yenta or a newbie or whatever you want - just also call him right.
Theres also such a thing called excericing discretion, cops and judges and all sorts of people use it everyday.
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