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Old 01-06-2012, 03:43 AM   #201 (permalink)
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Wait, so he is willing to make things right, and you wanna possibly ruin his future because he bid you up on some cards? He didn't steal anything right? He just was being a jealous douche or something and wanted to bid you up for no reason, which is wrong. But to take him to court over it seems over the top. If he stole some of your cards, I can understand. But for he shouldn't have his future be tarnished because he was acting like a kid.
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munchies seems to slowly but surely be losing support....Didnt see that coming....lol!
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munchies seems to slowly but surely be losing support....Didnt see that coming....lol!
I support him and understand his frustration. He should be mad. But unless things were stolen, court isn't needed. It will give the kid a lot of stress, when he is offering to make up for it.
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If you even did get to court, you most likey would not get a jury trial. It would go to probate, and if he is still a minor depending on the state you won't see a jury. THen if he doesn't show up in CA, (because if you are going to try to get him for harrasment the predcence is that the trial is in the state of the accuser) then what you get a summery judgment and he gets a CA bench warrent for FTA, that unless CA wants to extridite he won't even worry about unless he goes to CA. THen how are you going to get him tried internationaly? The ICJ ? The justice dept ?
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His offering to make it right is selling me his Taylor Price PC.

That does not seem like a good offer.
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For the record, I have no dog in this fight, and what Nick did was very wrong.


But kudos to you for taking legal action against a High Schooler over cardboard with some dudes jock strap on it. I hope it turns out well for you.. Or you get laughed out of court. Either way works for me.

One question since a lot of what you believe, or state you believe, is based on religion. What Would Jesus Do?
He'd grab a cold one & watch the court proceedings lol. I kid I kid.


Some complexity to this stuff here & I can't believe the OP is gonna take him to court, but ya know what good for him.

His parents would give him a slap in the face & a few days grounded or some non sense like that. I hope he gets the honesty scared into his bone marrow so that he never thinks of doing this crap again or any other dirty non sense.

I am about to sue someone I thought was a friend as well after what he think he stole from me. Kept dragging me on for nearly 2 years about a large sum of money he owes me & that we have contracts on so I won't show any of these punks mercy & neither should the OP.

Hell welcome the honest man to the boards. He rid a known SCAMMER from here. Have any of you stopped to think about what he may have scammed you out of. How about THE TICKET SCAM, or HOUDINI"S EVIDENCE.

Jeez crucify (no pun intended) for prosecuting a scammer known or not.

If you're ever in Cali Sir I would love to buy a beer or whatever the heck you may drink.
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His offering to make it right is selling me his Taylor Price PC.

That does not seem like a good offer.
What would be a good offer?
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Wait, so he is willing to make things right, and you wanna possibly ruin his future because he bid you up on some cards? He didn't steal anything right? He just was being a jealous douche or something and wanted to bid you up for no reason, which is wrong. But to take him to court over it seems over the top. If he stole some of your cards, I can understand. But for he shouldn't have his future be tarnished because he was acting like a kid.
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I support him and understand his frustration. He should be mad. But unless things were stolen, court isn't needed. It will give the kid a lot of stress, when he is offering to make up for it.
pfff....So a man has his reputation ruined & can't do what he enjoys while sitting in a wheel chair trying to recuperate from a freak side effect & you are worried about a kid who may at best have to pay a fine & community service. Thats just laughable to me.

Realistically I don't see him going to jail, but restitution & some community service would do this kid good. He didn't commit murder so he isn't going to be going away for 15 years ( some people can just be dramatic here with RUINING his life claims).
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What could happen - Get rid of the scammer, let the parents handle thier minor child

What is probably going to happen - parents higher a good lawyer, case gets kicked out, you get counter sued for mallicious prosecution, eat all court costs and then some.
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It seems that some of you who post responses failed to read the entire thread. Then you will understand he did far more than bid up cards.

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I didn't come here to be loved and start a family, one of your members suggested I defend myself and another linked me to a thread accusing me of crimes actually perpetrated by papiis01.

One of your members suggested he wanted to make things right. I received a direct msg from papiis01 @another board asking if I wanna buy his Taylor Price pc. This does nothing to make up for my blocked bids and ebay harassment. Or the fact he was using shill accounts to artificially inflate prices.

I'm done explaining this, good luck, good trading.

And God bless the non-believer, ya you.
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What could happen - Get rid of the scammer, let the parents handle thier minor child

What is probably going to happen - parents higher a good lawyer, case gets kicked out, you get counter sued for mallicious prosecution, eat all court costs and then some.
Highly doubtful about that. I don't see how a person's reputation & name, FRAUD, & Libel are malicious.
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pfff....So a man has his reputation ruined & can't do what he enjoys while sitting in a wheel chair trying to recuperate from a freak side effect & you are worried about a kid who may at best have to pay a fine & community service. Thats just laughable to me.

Realistically I don't see him going to jail, but restitution & some community service would do this kid good. He didn't commit murder so he isn't going to be going away for 15 years ( some people can just be dramatic here with RUINING his life claims).
You really think he's going to be able to take him to criminal trial then prove beyond a reasonble doubt everything he is talking about ? The defendent has absolutly no obligation in a criminal trial, the state has to prove his guilt. That's assuming you could get a DA to charge him with something.
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You really think he's going to be able to take him to criminal trial then prove beyond a reasonble doubt everything he is talking about ? The defendent has absolutly no obligation in a criminal trial, the state has to prove his guilt. That's assuming you could get a DA to charge him with something.
Well you are not Considering the so called "Mountain of evidence" The accuser has as well as a police internet fraud specialist could dig up on his computer. he may think he is clever, but I wouldn't put it past them to find stuff along with ebay evidence. I think he may have a pretty solid case here.

You and I are not lawyers so we don't definitively know what he has, or what the law is, or where it will be tried, or what will take precedence but one thing is certain:

This kid will get the scare of his life & know that he can never hide behind a computer.

Like I said I don't see him getting more than a fine & community service, but either way it will teach him something (hopefully anyway)
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“What you perceive, your observations, feelings, interpretations, are all your truth. Your truth is important. Yet it is not The Truth.” -Linda Ellinor


It is so more complex and deeper than that simplistic jargon you just spoke. You like defending your friend, that is your prerogative. Don't hate because the truth is out. Don't attack me for being the downfall of papiis01, he is responsible for his own downfall.

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Having something that is certain is much better than taking a risk for more, because chances are you might lose everything.





He created ebay accounts willy nilly how many he created and burned I won't know until ebay's records are subpeonaed

He artificially inflated bids with no intention to pay (as in could not would not afford to pay), he illegally bid high then won then failed to pay on numerous auctions

He committed identity theft by claiming he was me even when asked did other account belong to him, getting my bids banned, removed tarnishing my spotless reputation causing grief, harassment, verbal assaults and tirades. He did this by manipulating ebay, sellers and buyers by speaking offensively about me, and carrying on disrespectfully and abusively as me per se, in lamens terms he pretended to be me to trash my buying reputation thereby getting my bids blocked, removed, banned (how do i know this, msgs received and saved in ebay msg box by several sellers claiming they had spoken to me on my other account, including a few colorful abusive ones)

His scheming, manipulating, and complex social engineering, the summation of the depth to his means to appropriate just silly cards has me aghast in horror. His complex and brilliant albeit criminal thieving while living a dual life as an honest respected trader here at least reads like textbook Antisocial Personality Disorder (APD).


Crime online is in its infancy, new laws written daily. Recently laws were passed against criminal harassment and menacing. My attorney requested I file a report here: cybercrime.gov , because I was involved in a transaction defrauding someone internationally.

Identity theft is a form of stealing another person's identity in which someone pretends to be someone else by assuming that person's identity, typically in order to access resources or obtain credit and other benefits in that person's name.



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We get it bro. Nick messed up. The thread is made and everyone is aware of what has happened. Enough with the long winded responses, quotes and righteous BS. Handle your business with him and do what you have to do and let us know the outcome. Until then would you please STFU. He apologized and his account has been suspended. What do you think is gonna happen? Are you expecting a 25 yrs to life sentence to be handed out over this?
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His user name still has 100% feedback, how is he going to prove is reputation is damaged when there isn't any evidence based on his feedback that it has been? And he hasn't sold anything since July, so how can he determine his reputation is damaged.
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as punishment and so we can all sleep at night knowing this criminal has been brought to justice lets all send him every Taylor Price base card we have.
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Well you are not Considering the so called "Mountain of evidence" The accuser has as well as a police internet fraud specialist could dig up on his computer. he may think he is clever, but I wouldn't put it past them to find stuff along with ebay evidence. I think he may have a pretty solid case here.

You and I are not lawyers so we don't definitively know what he has, or what the law is, or where it will be tried, or what will take precedence but one thing is certain:

This kid will get the scare of his life & know that he can never hide behind a computer.

Like I said I don't see him getting more than a fine & community service, but either way it will teach him something (hopefully anyway)
Well since he isn't a "police computer fraud expert", I doubt much that any one couldn't google, unless he broke into Nicks accuonts, then he would be on the hook for that and not a decent defense lawyer worth his pants would let that be admissable in court.
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His user name still has 100% feedback, how is he going to prove is reputation is damaged when there isn't any evidence based on his feedback that it has been? And he hasn't sold anything since July, so how can he determine his reputation is damamged.
He was blocked by sellers based on a ghost buyer with a similar name bidding up the card, not paying for it, then sending messages to the sellers (which the accuser says he has) intentionally bashing the supposed buyer (OP) and thereby causing the sellers to block him which in turn tarnished his name with those sellers & also here in a thread or several threads.

There is also another well respected member here who had evidence of wrongdoing & can submit that as well if it is needed to add further evidence of wrongdoing & implication of said defendants username as proof it is in fact him using that name.

How about that sir? I await your rebuttal.
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We get it bro. Nick messed up. The thread is made and everyone is aware of what has happened. Enough with the long winded responses, quotes and righteous BS. Handle your business with him and do what you have to do and let us know the outcome. Until then would you please STFU. He apologized and his account has been suspended. What do you think is gonna happen? Are you expecting a 25 yrs to life sentence to be handed out over this?
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Well since he isn't a "police computer fraud expert", I doubt much that any one couldn't google, unless he broke into Nicks accuonts, then he would be on the hook for that and not a decent defense lawyer worth his pants would let that be admissable in court.
He doesn't need to be one. What I mean by that is that if he is accused of a cyber crime the police will most certainly seize his computer as evidence & obtain a warrant to search it which may incriminate him further & either way you split it he can't ditch both what Houdini has & also what Ebay & the 4 sellers who know about this has.

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He was blocked by sellers based on a ghost buyer with a similar name bidding up the card, not paying for it, then sending messages to the sellers (which the accuser says he has) intentionally bashing the supposed buyer (OP) and thereby causing the sellers to block him which in turn tarnished his name with those sellers & also here in a thread or several threads.

There is also another well respected member here who had evidence of wrongdoing & can submit that as well if it is needed to add further evidence of wrongdoing & implication of said defendants username as proof it is in fact him using that name.

How about that sir? I await your rebuttal.
blocked by sellers, not by buyers. I can tell a seller you smell like pickles and deer piss, they can take that information and do what they want with it. Do you smell like pickels and deer piss? I don't know you're on the internet, can you prove libel ?

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Sorry but this isn't the Pheobe Prince case here, it's a #@#@#@#@ ton of grandstanding and trying to pile onto a situation that has largly been delt with. I get Nick is a douche scammer, but trying to tie the kid and his parents up in the court system because you can't get a 2010 Taylor Price auto patch is about as douchy as it gets.

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blocked by sellers, not by buyers. I can tell a seller you smell like pickles and deer piss, they can take that information and do what they want with it. Do you smell like pickels and deer piss? I don't know you're on the internet, can you prove libel ?

A plaintiff who wishes to sue an individual or entity for libel or slander has the burden of proving four claims to a court: First, the plaintiff must show that the DEFENDANT communicated a defamatory statement (Nick sent messages to sellers blasting said accuser). Second, the plaintiff must show that the statement was published or communicated to at least one other person besides the plaintiff (Accuser & possibly sellers have messages showing the libel remarks about the accuser thereby proving publishing & communication of the libel statements). Third, the plaintiff must show that the communication was about the plaintiff and that another party receiving the communication could identify the plaintiff as the subject of the defamatory message (if the accusers username is in those messages when Nick sent them out & the sellers confirm it then this proves #3). Fourth, the plaintiff must show that the communication injured the plaintiff's reputation. ( by doing this the sellers in turn sent messages to the accuser bashing him or blocking him from making further purchases thereby tarnishing his reputation)


Sorry but this isn't the Pheobe Prince case here, it's a #@#@#@#@ ton of grandstanding and trying to pile onto a situation that has largly been delt with. I get Nick is a douche scammer, but trying to tie the kid and his parents up in the court system because you can't get a 2010 Taylor Price auto patch is about as douchy as it gets.

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Your honor I arrest my case. Read the comments in parentheses in between your law statement.

it's not douchy it's what's right & what's wrong & if he doesn't get a slap on the wrist for it (or just give the guy his PC IMO) then he will walk all over people all his life because he thought he could get away with it.
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Your honor I arrest my case. Read the comments in parentheses in between your law statement.
He can say "it tarnished my reputation" but there isn't any evidence based on his feedback that it did. I can say you killed my cat, but unless I come up with the cat and some how show you did it, it's all just talk. If libel could be proved so easy the way you put it, 90% of this board could sue each other.
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He can say "it tarnished my reputation" but there isn't any evidence based on his feedback that it did. I can say you killed my cat, but unless I come up with the cat and some how show you did it, it's all just talk.
Not so. If the sellers say that because of the messages sent they in effect thought badly of the buyer & in turn blocked him from bidding this proves that his reputation was tarnished & also if the messages that Nick sent to the sellers were bashing the accuser by username this is also evidence. The username can be linked to the accuser which proves libel.
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Your honor I arrest my case. Read the comments in parentheses in between your law statement.

it's not douchy it's what's right & what's wrong & if he doesn't get a slap on the wrist for it (or just give the guy his PC IMO) then he will walk all over people all his life because he thought he could get away with it.
How do you know he's going to get a slap on the wrist from his parents? They could pack him up and ship him to the Army for all you know. But what ever it is, is more appropraite then trying (my eyes are rolling as I'm typing this) to send him to jail, and lolz try him in international court.
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