Should I leave a negative?

asujbl · 01-19-2012, 11:15 AM

I've never left one before - never had a problem honestly - but encountered my first one today.

Agreed to a trade about 10 days ago - trader is brand new so he agreed to send first (0 feedback) - I waited and waited with no card. I PM'd - he said he was sending (even told me yesterday he was at the PO about to send it)

Get a PM today saying he's decided to keep the card and see if he can get a better deal.

Wasn't a huge deal - $40 about - so I'll survive - but it was a card I've been after so I stopped trying to buy one and also held the cards I owed him from other trade offers.

But I'm irritated more then anything. It's not about the card itself - it's about wasting my time.

Negative?
Let it slide since he's new? Doesn't mean he's a kid - but maybe just new to online trading I suppose...

Thoughts?

gritt81 · 01-19-2012, 11:25 AM

Neutral for sure, but you are not out any money and didn't have to file a pay-pal claim, so not sure of a neg.

Magicman32 · 01-19-2012, 11:26 AM

Personally I would leave a negative. An agreement is just that. A deal was set he should not back out. We have had way to much of this crap going on this last month.

asujbl · 01-19-2012, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Magicman32

Personally I would leave a negative. An agreement is just that. A deal was set he should not back out. We have had way to much of this crap going on this last month.

I guess that's my viewpoint.

It's not about the card (although I did stop looking for one - and did hold the items I owed him) it's more about the lack of respect people are giving to trades these days. It's getting worse and worse where people just change their minds. People are refunding payment even after a sale is agreed to because they get a better offer. It's lame.

Neutral might be the right move though I suppose since he is new.

I'm just irritated I suppose.

XL5 · 01-19-2012, 11:28 AM

Neg. It was a massive waste of your time.

A sale is a sale. If it's just a bid, "seller" should say so.

Andrew Jones · 01-19-2012, 11:28 AM

I'd say leave a neutral. As ticked as I'd be that I was lied to and inconvenienced, I tend to think negatives are better reserved for more extreme cases, such as reneging on a deal after you've already fulfilled your end of the deal (i.e. sent money and/or cards) or when you are forced to utilize PayPal's dispute process to obtain a refund. A neutral with a warning to others should do the trick in your situation.

Noahkalifungo · 01-19-2012, 11:35 AM

I'd probably say neutral and a lengthy pm explaining why what he did was wrong. He is new, after all.

booksfromjosh · 01-19-2012, 12:01 PM

I'm pretty new here myself, never traded online before, and I would expect a neg if I did that. If you make a deal, that's the deal. There is no waiting for a better one afterwards.

fungi2510 · 01-19-2012, 12:11 PM

Really? I had three separate people who did not pay on Quick Sale threads in the last month. I asked opinions and basically heard, get over it. Two of the members that did not pay are guys with close to or over 100 iTraders. People can be such a joke. I am starting to leave negatives for all who do pay.

ricksam · 01-19-2012, 12:19 PM

hmm a negative? and guy is new? id let it go but write a note to explain ur thoughts .. so it wont happen down the road to others

just imo

Magicman32 · 01-19-2012, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fungi2510

Really? I had three separate people who did not pay on Quick Sale threads in the last month. I asked opinions and basically heard, get over it. Two of the members that did not pay are guys with close to or over 100 iTraders. People can be such a joke. I am starting to leave negatives for all who do pay.

I would have told you to neg them as well. If they back out of those deals, it is lost money. You say you want something, then pay for it. I had 1 problem in all the years I was on here until last year. I have now had 7 deals go bad in the last 4 months....getting worse and we need to make people aware of issues that are not handled.

Andrew Jones · 01-19-2012, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fungi2510

Really? I had three separate people who did not pay on Quick Sale threads in the last month. I asked opinions and basically heard, get over it. Two of the members that did not pay are guys with close to or over 100 iTraders. People can be such a joke. I am starting to leave negatives for all who do pay.

Do you mean do not pay? If you start leaving negatives for everyone who pays, you probably won't be around much longer.

fungi2510 · 01-19-2012, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

Do you mean do not pay? If you start leaving negatives for everyone who pays, you probably won't be around much longer.

Ya probably not. I am not ready or typing correctly. I should get off here and go outside.

SacGWYNN19 · 01-19-2012, 12:30 PM

I had pm'd the a mod about this same subject. Bottom line it was determined that, if after multiple PM's, it was more than appropriate to leave the negative. I, however, chose not leave the negative and resell the cards. I will also not sell to these members going forward as a result of their decision to not pay for the cards.

jlzinck · 01-19-2012, 01:27 PM

Yes without a doubt

Quote:

Originally Posted by asujbl

I've never left one before - never had a problem honestly - but encountered my first one today.

Agreed to a trade about 10 days ago - trader is brand new so he agreed to send first (0 feedback) - I waited and waited with no card. I PM'd - he said he was sending (even told me yesterday he was at the PO about to send it)

Get a PM today saying he's decided to keep the card and see if he can get a better deal.

Wasn't a huge deal - $40 about - so I'll survive - but it was a card I've been after so I stopped trying to buy one and also held the cards I owed him from other trade offers.

But I'm irritated more then anything. It's not about the card itself - it's about wasting my time.

Negative?
Let it slide since he's new? Doesn't mean he's a kid - but maybe just new to online trading I suppose...

Thoughts?

friarbolt · 01-19-2012, 02:05 PM

I'd say neg because of the runaround he gave you. It's not even like he quickly backed out after having second thoughts. He lied to you and dragged the process out until he suddenly backed out. It's even worse than the average deal that falls through on here.

michaelspopejr · 01-19-2012, 02:26 PM

Neg? What's with this neg crap?

BAN HAMMER! *sarcasm*

I'd leave a nuetral, or a negative. DEFINITELY NOT A POSITIVE!

a-train10 · 01-19-2012, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Get a PM today saying he's decided to keep the card and see if he can get a better deal.

Look at the bright side. Atleast the guy is honest and didn't pull the old "PO Took It" crap

But in all seriousness, I'd give him a neg. He backed out of an agreement, and didn't make an effort to make it right. Something I'd want others to be aware of.

bboi30 · 01-19-2012, 10:01 PM

you people have to learn that if people back out of a deal (unless there is a very very good reason) then at the least a neutral is in order.

I would say it depends on the situation. If it's a trade & the dude says trade & he is to send first & doesn't I would leave a neg. because he even told you he wanted to wait for a better offer. This is backing out of a deal hence a BAD Trader.

If he wanted to pass & wait for offers he should have said so.

Now if he said he was gonna pay for a card & never paid for it and he kept dragging you on then maybe a neutral.

We have to start weeding out the idiots or the itrader system will never work. Sympathy is not in order when doing business unless there is a legit circumstance.

Out the guy too for good measure so we don't have to trade with him.

FavresReturn · 01-19-2012, 10:07 PM

I would leave a negative for sure. The person agreed to a deal, THEN after ten days took it away.. that's a negative..

FreeMan12406 · 01-19-2012, 11:10 PM

Negative for sure. The both of you entered a verbal contract. He broke that AFTER LYING to you multiple times.

guru · 01-19-2012, 11:11 PM

edit, sorry meant to start my own thread. LOL!

01-19-2012, 11:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
asujbl Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9,238 ohiosundevils	Should I leave a negative? I've never left one before - never had a problem honestly - but encountered my first one today. Agreed to a trade about 10 days ago - trader is brand new so he agreed to send first (0 feedback) - I waited and waited with no card. I PM'd - he said he was sending (even told me yesterday he was at the PO about to send it) Get a PM today saying he's decided to keep the card and see if he can get a better deal. Wasn't a huge deal - $40 about - so I'll survive - but it was a card I've been after so I stopped trying to buy one and also held the cards I owed him from other trade offers. But I'm irritated more then anything. It's not about the card itself - it's about wasting my time. Negative? Let it slide since he's new? Doesn't mean he's a kid - but maybe just new to online trading I suppose... Thoughts? __________________ http://s282.photobucket.com/albums/kk269/ohiosundevils Want to save 5-15% on your purchase? Check my feedback and pay via Check/MO/Cash I do not ACCEPT or SEND Gift Payments - Thanks

01-19-2012, 11:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
Magicman32 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Middle of Nowhere Ohio Posts: 3,044 Magicman3232	Personally I would leave a negative. An agreement is just that. A deal was set he should not back out. We have had way to much of this crap going on this last month. __________________ -Collecting Bills, A's, Lakers, Sabres, Chavez, Melo, McNabb, Posluszny and any SU Players -Putting together the set of 2006 Gridiron Playbook Patch jerseys /25. Have 10/25 currently. If you have them, LMK "Just because you have the ability to speak, does not make you intelligent"

01-19-2012, 11:28 AM	#5 (permalink)
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01-19-2012, 11:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
Noahkalifungo Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1,907 Mighties	I'd probably say neutral and a lengthy pm explaining why what he did was wrong. He is new, after all. __________________ Giants, Giants, Giants! LF Adam Duvall, Nick Noonan, and lower end Giants 1/1s Want to buy Kyle Crick!!! PM me if you have 2011 Bowman draft/sterling autos and #'d refractors.

01-19-2012, 12:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
booksfromjosh Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 220	I'm pretty new here myself, never traded online before, and I would expect a neg if I did that. If you make a deal, that's the deal. There is no waiting for a better one afterwards. __________________ Always buying vintage psa 8 or above and BGS 9.5 rookies www.photobucket.com/jb677c

01-19-2012, 11:25 AM	#2 (permalink)
gritt81 Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Posts: 1,028 str0gh0ld	Neutral for sure, but you are not out any money and didn't have to file a pay-pal claim, so not sure of a neg.

01-19-2012, 11:28 AM	#6 (permalink)
Andrew Jones Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 4,817 um1998nc	I'd say leave a neutral. As ticked as I'd be that I was lied to and inconvenienced, I tend to think negatives are better reserved for more extreme cases, such as reneging on a deal after you've already fulfilled your end of the deal (i.e. sent money and/or cards) or when you are forced to utilize PayPal's dispute process to obtain a refund. A neutral with a warning to others should do the trick in your situation.

01-19-2012, 12:11 PM	#9 (permalink)
fungi2510 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 5,078 mkeil1980 fungi2510	Really? I had three separate people who did not pay on Quick Sale threads in the last month. I asked opinions and basically heard, get over it. Two of the members that did not pay are guys with close to or over 100 iTraders. People can be such a joke. I am starting to leave negatives for all who do pay. __________________ Check Out My Cards ID = fungi2510 Check me out on Sport Lots. http://www.sportlots.com/inven/invenbin/dealerpage.tpl?dealer=mkeil250

01-19-2012, 12:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
ricksam Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: usa Posts: 1,294 theticketin ricksam	hmm a negative? and guy is new? id let it go but write a note to explain ur thoughts .. so it wont happen down the road to others just imo __________________ WTB: GIFT CARDs \| wwe shirt relics + champ autos; BW maria kanellis \| WD S2 m19 A8; BBT s3/4 m26 A19 FT/fs: WD, BW, AA + SKETCH CARDS: http://cardbucket.blogspot.com w scans still moving sketches - FT or FS

01-19-2012, 12:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
SacGWYNN19 Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,599	I had pm'd the a mod about this same subject. Bottom line it was determined that, if after multiple PM's, it was more than appropriate to leave the negative. I, however, chose not leave the negative and resell the cards. I will also not sell to these members going forward as a result of their decision to not pay for the cards.

01-19-2012, 02:05 PM	#16 (permalink)
friarbolt Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: California Posts: 6,473 kramerattack	I'd say neg because of the runaround he gave you. It's not even like he quickly backed out after having second thoughts. He lied to you and dragged the process out until he suddenly backed out. It's even worse than the average deal that falls through on here. __________________ Supercollecting Josh Johnson (University of San Diego, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Cincinnati Bengals) Collecting Chargers, Padres, Packers, Lakers, University of San Diego alumni My Bucket, always selling and trading: http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/kramerattack/library/

01-19-2012, 02:26 PM	#17 (permalink)
michaelspopejr Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Reidsville, NC Posts: 1,977 michaelspopejr michaelspopejr	Neg? What's with this neg crap? BAN HAMMER! sarcasm I'd leave a nuetral, or a negative. DEFINITELY NOT A POSITIVE! __________________ *I collect: David Noel autos (Exquisite/Ultimate/UD Black)* www.photobucket.com/bullcitysportscards

01-19-2012, 10:01 PM	#19 (permalink)
bboi30 Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Killa Kali Posts: 5,561	you people have to learn that if people back out of a deal (unless there is a very very good reason) then at the least a neutral is in order. I would say it depends on the situation. If it's a trade & the dude says trade & he is to send first & doesn't I would leave a neg. because he even told you he wanted to wait for a better offer. This is backing out of a deal hence a BAD Trader. If he wanted to pass & wait for offers he should have said so. Now if he said he was gonna pay for a card & never paid for it and he kept dragging you on then maybe a neutral. We have to start weeding out the idiots or the itrader system will never work. Sympathy is not in order when doing business unless there is a legit circumstance. Out the guy too for good measure so we don't have to trade with him. __________________ THE OFFICIAL BLOWOUT RESIDENT SUPER COLLECTOR OF FRANK THOMAS BASE & UP. MY PC NFS/NFT: http://www.zistle.com/bboi30/collections/baseball

01-19-2012, 10:07 PM	#20 (permalink)
FavresReturn Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Franklin, IN Posts: 2,416	I would leave a negative for sure. The person agreed to a deal, THEN after ten days took it away.. that's a negative.. __________________ Buhkit lynk: http://s1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa342/Favresreturn/ Define "irony": a bunch of idiots dancing around on a plane, to a song made famous by a band that died in a plane crash -Garland Greene

01-19-2012, 11:10 PM	#21 (permalink)
FreeMan12406 Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: San Marcos, Texas Posts: 9,562 SpursGirl85 FreeMan12406	Negative for sure. The both of you entered a verbal contract. He broke that AFTER LYING to you multiple times. __________________ Updated Tradelist - http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football-singles-buy-sell-trade/496197-lets-trade-plenty-stuff-here.html

01-19-2012, 11:11 PM	#22 (permalink)
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