Clearing my name...Calling out a dishonest/lying/packsearching member. - Page 5

monkeymcgee · 03-12-2012, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nuccionino

How? I'm not going to stop trading with him because he pack searched. But if I found out someone on here, pack searched in the area, I'd be very upset that I paid good money for rack packs (never will buy loose packs) to know that may of been searched. And I'd be more hestitant (sp) to trade with, seeing I may of gotten screwed personally because of a pack searcher. But I'd still trade with one, as long as I get the card I want.

What if the card you were trading for was the result of packsearching?

nuccionino · 03-12-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

What if the card you were trading for was the result of packsearching?

I wouldn't be trading for junk GU

I would never know honestly. But it doesn't make me a bad person to trade for a card I want. However that member obtains a card is his problem. I'll trade fairly or buy fairly to obtain it.

Edit: How do we know any cards aren't pack searched? Honestly? I mean that question is kind of like searching for a reason to make me a bad person... I shouldn't have to defend myself for maybe trading for a card that someone MAY of obtained illegally.

ManInTheMirror · 03-12-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nuccionino

I wouldn't be trading for junk GU

I would never know honestly. But it doesn't make me a bad person to trade for a card I want. However that member obtains a card is his problem. I'll trade fairly or buy fairly to obtain it.

Edit: How do we know any cards aren't pack searched? Honestly? I mean that question is kind of like searching for a reason to make me a bad person... I shouldn't have to defend myself for maybe trading for a card that someone MAY of obtained illegally.

All of this has gone over your head. You basically said "I would trade with a pack searcher as long as he isn't pack searching in my area". There is simply no logic to that.

I will never deal with jp98 ever again. Not just because he pack searches, but because a person who pack searches and lies is not the type of person I want to be dealing with.

nuccionino · 03-12-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ManInTheMirror

All of this has gone over your head. You basically said "I would trade with a pack searcher as long as he isn't pack searching in my area". There is simply no logic to that.

I will never deal with jp98 ever again. Not just because he pack searches, but because a person who pack searches and lies is not the type of person I want to be dealing with.

I respect that, we are different traders, is that okay? I don't blame you for not wanting to deal with him., it makes sense.

monkeymcgee · 03-12-2012, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuccionino

I wouldn't be trading for junk GU

I would never know honestly. But it doesn't make me a bad person to trade for a card I want. However that member obtains a card is his problem. I'll trade fairly or buy fairly to obtain it.

Edit: How do we know any cards aren't pack searched? Honestly? I mean that question is kind of like searching for a reason to make me a bad person... I shouldn't have to defend myself for maybe trading for a card that someone MAY of obtained illegally.

Sorry--I wasn't trying to make you sound like a bad person. I used to buy card lots from someone who I later realized was a packsearcher. So, I stopped buying cards from him because I didn't want to encourage/fund that activity.

You seem to think if the packsearcher were taking something from you, you'd be against it. My question is why support them at all if you know that's how they are getting the cards?

I don't think that makes you a good person or a bad person, just trying to understand your rationale.

nuccionino · 03-12-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by monkeymcgee

Sorry--I wasn't trying to make you sound like a bad person. I used to buy card lots from someone who I later realized was a packsearcher. So, I stopped buying cards from him because I didn't want to encourage/fund that activity.

You seem to think if the packsearcher were taking something from you, you'd be against it. My question is why support them at all if you know that's how they are getting the cards?

I don't think that makes you a good person or a bad person, just trying to understand your rationale.

I know you weren't, I mean hell, we just made a deal that involved a lot of trust (and it worked out very well)

But I don't know if he got the said card I am obtaining. When you buy a card on eBay, maybe the seller pack searched and got it, we don't know. I'll just close my eyes and ears, and just get the card I want for my PC, however they obtain it is there problem. How do we know that other people do or don't pack search? We don't. I'd rather trade with a good trader and get my card, then someone who would steal my cards.

cking · 03-13-2012, 12:50 AM

bump

We need to get Wilson back into this discussion.

nuccionino · 03-13-2012, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cking

bump

We need to get Wilson back into this discussion.

He was like 3 hours ago haha. I think we know jp98 won't be responding. Hopefully he does for his sake.

Andrew Jones · 03-13-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nuccionino

I'm not, read my posts. I said like 3 times that he needs to come on here and just spill the beans, but I'm just saying don't treat him like a bad trader because he pack searches. People can trade with who they want, but they don't need to act like jp98 is a bad trader, just shouldn't of pack searched and shouldn't of said that you did. Once he did that, you got all this proof and buried him. That was his biggest mistake, was lying. I basically said what everyone else did, but am defending him as a trader. You just don't want anyone to defend him.

IMO, trading with strangers on the internet involves trust and I wouldn't trust a known liar, especially one who doesn't admit he lied because that means he doesn't feel remorse or think what he did was wrong. If someone will boldly and unapologeticly lie on the board, what would stop them from lying about a trade? Just my $.02.

BostonNut · 03-13-2012, 12:24 PM

Oh how I wish jp98 was man enough to respond to this thread....

mrveggieman · 03-13-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

Check out post #2.

Pack searchers

For someone who doesn't search packs and isn't a member of packsearchers.com, jp98 sure seems to be awfully knowledgable on the subject.

Wow I didn't even know that was a real website.

WilsonValdez · 03-13-2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

IMO, trading with strangers on the internet involves trust and I wouldn't trust a known liar, especially one who doesn't admit he lied because that means he doesn't feel remorse or think what he did was wrong. If someone will boldly and unapologeticly lie on the board, what would stop them from lying about a trade? Just my $.02.

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Originally Posted by BostonNut

Oh how I wish jp98 was man enough to respond to this thread....

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Originally Posted by jp98

Missed it, sorry. Go for it, I don't care.

Last post in this thread because there is no use arguing with the BS WilsonValdez continues to post. I understand he is a "respectable" member and you want to believe him. I know I am inncocent and I don't feel like wasting my time proving it because the only thing you can go by is word of mouth, which obviously WilsonValdez has used over and over and swayed everyone on his side.

Last edited by jp98; Yesterday at 09:06 PM. Reason: just so it's clear this time

Hahaha wow, so apparently he wasn't man enough to come in here and respond, but he was "man" enough to come in here and edit his earlier post last night, making it CLEAR that that post (before he got the proof-smack laid down on him), would be his last post in this thread. Well thanks JP, I am glad you could clear that up...because YOU said it's your last post in the thread, then you no longer have any obligation to respond. You have sure continued to show your cowardice, over and over.

ManInTheMirror · 03-13-2012, 01:33 PM

It's official- jp98 has officially dethroned rodgers12 as "Edit King".

cking · 03-13-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WilsonValdez

Hahaha wow, so apparently he wasn't man enough to come in here and respond, but he was "man" enough to come in here and edit his earlier post last night, making it CLEAR that that post (before he got the proof-smack laid down on him), would be his last post in this thread. Well thanks JP, I am glad you could clear that up...because YOU said it's your last post in the thread, then you no longer have any obligation to respond. You have sure continued to show your cowardice, over and over.

blake03svtf · 03-13-2012, 02:10 PM

Wilson Valdez PROMISED me a Gary Kubiak Topps refractor for my PC and has never shipped. WHATS THE DEAL MAN!?!?!?!?!

WilsonValdez · 03-13-2012, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blake03svtf

Wilson Valdez PROMISED me a Gary Kubiak Topps refractor for my PC and has never shipped. WHATS THE DEAL MAN!?!?!?!?!

M y bad..It was actually Tony Sparano. I get my random coaches mixed up sometimes. You can have that if you want

blake03svtf · 03-13-2012, 02:49 PM

UG@#$%^&*()H

nuccionino · 03-13-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Jones

IMO, trading with strangers on the internet involves trust and I wouldn't trust a known liar, especially one who doesn't admit he lied because that means he doesn't feel remorse or think what he did was wrong. If someone will boldly and unapologeticly lie on the board, what would stop them from lying about a trade? Just my $.02.

I can respect that for sure. I mean I don't blame people for not wanting to deal with him because of this. I just know he is a good trader still and just want to defend him for that.

jp98 · 03-13-2012, 03:45 PM

I haven't made a post in this thread until now for 1 reason, and that is that I honestly don't think anybody will believe me. I understand though, I had to lie to cover for my past, and it backfired on me.

Back way before joining blowout forums, I was just a kid, probably 11 or so at the time, trying to get the bang for my buck. It starts with buying the thick packs and snowballs into packsearching, but I honestly didn't know better. I was not on a forum that tought me otherwise. So I registered on "packsearchers.com"(and no, I have never paid for membership, it was free back then I guess). I came on to Blowout October 2010, 4 months after registering on the packsearching site. I'm not sure when I learned that packsearching was frowned upon, but when I did I was stuck. It was an addiction and I tried to quit, and eventually did last year. Yes, I am still a member of that site as there are some decent members on there that I trade with time to time, but I do no longer packsearch, especially since where I am linving since August has no stores within 50 miles anyways.

I am sorry I had to lie, but if I didn't, this exact thing would have probably happened long ago(without the drama, but I'd probably still be hated). I understand if you are upset that I lied, but if you truly think I am a terrible person, scammer, going to hell, going to prison, or whatever other awful thing I have been told recently, that's your problem. People that know me know I am a great trader and have never had a problem with me.

And there are atleast 5-10 closet packsearchers on this site if anyone was wondering, and and some even have over 1K posts.

I hope this clears up any questions anyone may have about this and maybe some people will quit stalking me & harrassing me all the time...

I will answer further serious questions if I missed something, please don't expect a response if you are making a perosnal attack/threat.

hasayrs · 03-13-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jp98

And there are atleast 5-10 closet packsearchers on this site if anyone was wondering, and and some even have over 1K posts.

Names please...

BostonNut · 03-13-2012, 03:53 PM

Here you go:

Covering

His

Ass

So

We

Won't

Hate

On

Him

So

Much

Quote:

Originally Posted by hasayrs

Names please...

nuccionino · 03-13-2012, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Here you go:

Covering

His

Ass

So

We

Won't

Hate

On

Him

So

Much

How many people would at least admit it? Not much, took him a while, but at least he did.

jp98 · 03-13-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by hasayrs

Names please...

Quote:

Originally Posted by BostonNut

Here you go:

Covering

His

Ass

So

We

Won't

Hate

On

Him

So

Much

Umm, no. I was just saying there are more than you think on here.

BostonNut · 03-13-2012, 03:58 PM

You didn't have to add that line in at all.

You knew people would be begging you for names and when you eventually cave in people will treat you better.

Your little plan is a little too transparent....

Quote:

Originally Posted by jp98

Umm, no. I was just saying there are more than you think on here.

BostonNut · 03-13-2012, 03:59 PM

Please...

His "apology" is full of excuses. While yes....he finally did it...bravo for being a big boy...he only added in that part to entice us....it was completely not needed....

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuccionino

How many people would at least admit it? Not much, took him a while, but at least he did.

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blake03svtf Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 2,301 blake03svtf	Wilson Valdez PROMISED me a Gary Kubiak Topps refractor for my PC and has never shipped. WHATS THE DEAL MAN!?!?!?!?! __________________ BUYING CASE KEENUM RC AUTOS http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/football/464605-time-show-off-my-case-keenum-pc.html

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jp98 Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 10,355	I haven't made a post in this thread until now for 1 reason, and that is that I honestly don't think anybody will believe me. I understand though, I had to lie to cover for my past, and it backfired on me. Back way before joining blowout forums, I was just a kid, probably 11 or so at the time, trying to get the bang for my buck. It starts with buying the thick packs and snowballs into packsearching, but I honestly didn't know better. I was not on a forum that tought me otherwise. So I registered on "packsearchers.com"(and no, I have never paid for membership, it was free back then I guess). I came on to Blowout October 2010, 4 months after registering on the packsearching site. I'm not sure when I learned that packsearching was frowned upon, but when I did I was stuck. It was an addiction and I tried to quit, and eventually did last year. Yes, I am still a member of that site as there are some decent members on there that I trade with time to time, but I do no longer packsearch, especially since where I am linving since August has no stores within 50 miles anyways. I am sorry I had to lie, but if I didn't, this exact thing would have probably happened long ago(without the drama, but I'd probably still be hated). I understand if you are upset that I lied, but if you truly think I am a terrible person, scammer, going to hell, going to prison, or whatever other awful thing I have been told recently, that's your problem. People that know me know I am a great trader and have never had a problem with me. And there are atleast 5-10 closet packsearchers on this site if anyone was wondering, and and some even have over 1K posts. I hope this clears up any questions anyone may have about this and maybe some people will quit stalking me & harrassing me all the time... I will answer further serious questions if I missed something, please don't expect a response if you are making a perosnal attack/threat.