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Old 09-13-2012, 12:55 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Mind is blown.

I missed out on all the history behind this but ripping people off for that much money is a crime no?
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:09 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I don't think I want his cards....
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:12 AM   #53 (permalink)
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So can anyone link me to the original thread?
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:39 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I know when I was accused of something on another site that wasnt true, I fought VERY hard to defend myself. Something like this would have fallen in the same category.
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Old 09-13-2012, 01:41 AM   #55 (permalink)
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This is all before my time, but it shows that when all you have to interact with one another are posts, PMs and emails, your reputation is EVERYTHING. If you make a mistake, own up, apologize, and work on improving. You screw a bunch of people over, you find a rock and don't bother to climb back out from under it, because you can't recover, you can't sweep it under a rug, and you can't hide.
one of the most insightful posts i've ever seen from an under 10 under 500 post member.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:25 AM   #56 (permalink)
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This is the worst defense by a scammer that I have ever seen on these boards.

I just have to type #@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@ (THT) another time to see it scrambled. I very much remember the Who Stole My Beans Mystery Pack Fiasco. That site went to H*ll fast with all of the scammers.
This post is one of the reasons I originally wanted to stay clear of this thread.
We work damn hard to keep the scammers/bad traders away. I'm sick of people with slanted view points always slamming us, then when we come to defend ourselves, we get banned.

Sorry for the mini hijack Andrew, but Im not one to stand idly by and keep my mouth shut.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:37 AM   #57 (permalink)
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I've told you more than once my name. You insist to post false statements about me. With that I will go in peace and will not return to BO. I'm not going to get into an arguing match with Andrew or anyone else. He has something against me. To all the friends I made on blowout and everywhere else, I wish you well.
Holy #@#@#@#@ it really is him.

I had almost forgotten about the mystery pack scam.
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Old 09-13-2012, 06:16 AM   #58 (permalink)
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ding ding ding we have the loser, nice work wilson
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Old 09-13-2012, 07:08 AM   #59 (permalink)
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Can you please translate what you are trying to say here.

Are you saying that my post was wrong? Help!

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This post is one of the reasons I originally wanted to stay clear of this thread.
We work damn hard to keep the scammers/bad traders away. I'm sick of people with slanted view points always slamming us, then when we come to defend ourselves, we get banned.

Sorry for the mini hijack Andrew, but Im not one to stand idly by and keep my mouth shut.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:19 AM   #60 (permalink)
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Holy #@#@#@#@ it really is him.

I had almost forgotten about the mystery pack scam.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:25 AM   #61 (permalink)
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This may be the least successful defense since the Maginot Line.
I love ppl who know their history and can convert it into a laughable joke. A+ for this post.

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Old 09-13-2012, 11:09 AM   #62 (permalink)
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I'm a little late but I also was taken in the packs by beans

At least now he isn't our proble anymore and is banned here too.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:18 AM   #63 (permalink)
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WilsonValdez, I don't know you,but I do read your posts. I join alot of breaks here. Thank you for potentially saving me from this DB.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:23 AM   #64 (permalink)
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And boom goes the ban hammer.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:29 AM   #65 (permalink)
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Unreal...

Luckily, I didn't buy any of the "mystery" packs on the other site...but I was active on there. What a fiasco.

I KNEW it was too good to be true that he learned his lesson and stayed away.

Nice work on linking him to the new account..hope he is gone for GOOD this time...he obviously still has zero remorse or would have defended himself or rectified the situation with the members he stole from.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:44 AM   #66 (permalink)
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Glad that POS is banned.. If anyone is interested he sent me from the mystery packs a

plain black wristband that he swears was used by Chris bosh in a game and tossed to

him. Lol
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:12 PM   #67 (permalink)
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This may be the least successful defense since the Maginot Line.
This is such a smart response that so many folks won't get. $5 will get you $10 that most people think that this has something to do with sports

You know what is odd to me is that UWMC's join date is before WSMB's join date by almost a year.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:22 PM   #68 (permalink)
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This is such a smart response that so many folks won't get. $5 will get you $10 that most people think that this has something to do with sports

You know what is odd to me is that UWMC's join date is before WSMB's join date by almost a year.
I will be the first to admit that I just googled the term.

Absolutely spot on analogy. Well done monkey.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:25 PM   #69 (permalink)
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This is such a smart response that so many folks won't get. $5 will get you $10 that most people think that this has something to do with sports
It sounds French which makes me think hockey and hockey teams have lines so it has to be a Montreal Canadians reference. Show me the money.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:33 PM   #70 (permalink)
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I'll. Be. Damned.

Eff that guy!

THT was a decent little forum while it lasted. I remeber those packs and thinking it was the craziest / worst thing I had seen in this hobby.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:33 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Well, since the banhammer has fallen, I'll explain the Ripken thing because I'm sure some of you who weren't involved are wondering about it.

The mystery pack thing was a fiasco for many reasons:

1. He kept adding packs to the drawing and delaying when it would start, so of course the people who got in early kept seeing their chances for getting the "chase" hits drop. But he added more "chase" cards, so that made up for it, as he saw it. The reason for this, we all learned later, was because he was using the money for the packs to buy the hits for the packs (get this kid on Wall Street, right?).

2. I called them "chase" cards because it was a pure bait and switch move. An Adrian Peterson autograph because a Chinese knockoff jersey with a questionable auto (and no COA of any kind). Several of the big name autos became IP auto'ed 8x10s. Then there was the Cal Ripken auto (more on that later).

3. The break was brutal. I mean you expect that you will get screwed on mystery packs, but these was horrific. It went on for hours. As it went on, people got more and more angry in the chat. Then he started laughing as he opened the packs because even he had begun to realize how much he was screwing the members of this small site. It wasn't really nervous laughter, it was more like "you guys got worked"--I'll never forget that and it's why I would never ever do another deal with this guy.

4. The top hit was supposed to be a Cal Ripken autograph. I know several of us only remained on BlogTV to see if he actually put this in the mystery packs. I don't doubt if we weren't all watching, it wouldn't have been pulled at all. But we were so near the very end, here's the Ripken auto. Only guess what? He put a MFing redemption in his own mystery packs.

5. As you might imagine, we were all about to lose our [stuff] at this point, so we get on him about how the hell could this happen, what were you thinking, etc. He says, "Guys, I've purchased the Ripken on eBay and it's in transit." Well, no one believes him by now, so we ask for a link to the eBay listing. He won't answer.

6. Days go by without a response. The mods try to work things out with him and they can't get an answer about the Ripken. I post the "Hello, Is It Me You're Looking For?" (other images used in the thread are below). He keeps posting that he will give us the auction link soon, but never does. We never get an answer.







7. More days go by with no one receiving their "hits". People start filing PayPal refunds. Finally he starts shipping out everything. He says he will make up for the BS by adding extras to the packages. He does not.

8. Finally the person who won the Ripken got it, but if I recall it took weeks to get it. He clearly had no intention of sending it until the pitchforks came out. The scam, in my opinion, was that he'd refund the one person who won the Ripken auto because he didn't have it and pocket all the mystery pack money for those of us who thought we had a chance at it.

9. I finally got my package (2 IP 8x10s and a several crap autos):



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Old 09-13-2012, 12:35 PM   #72 (permalink)
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*Worst thing since melbornecowboys that is... and I was i 5 or more of mbc breaks so that was pretty bad
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:38 PM   #73 (permalink)
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One more thing, I created the images to bring a little levity to the situation because we were all super pissed. But the guy is a straight-up POS scammer, make no mistake about it, and it wasn't really funny.
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One more thing, I created the images to bring a little levity to the situation because we were all super pissed. But the guy is a straight-up POS scammer, make no mistake about it, and it wasn't really funny.
How much money did he take people for with these mystery packs? I was on THT very very frequently, and luckily missed out on this.
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How much money did he take people for with these mystery packs? I was on THT very very frequently, and luckily missed out on this.
I think it was around 300 slots at $3-4 each or something like that. 1 card/item per slot.

Given the number of big hits being IP items, even with the Ripken, my guess is he spent about $250-300 at the most on the items in the drawing. I bet it was much, much less than that since I think he put a lot of his own crap stash into the packs.

EDIT: Someone just PMed me that it may have been $5 per slot plus shipping (with a multi-slot discount), so his take may have been even more than my estimate.
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