Issue with member On Card Auto, bad trader?

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by cking

See if something was done about it then Ralph would not be in this position now.

couldn't agree more...... this is why I continue to speak on negative situations right here.. because if something gets done about members who keep pulling this, it would stop. instead you see it happening more & more. I mean how many people have to get ripped off before these guys get permanent banned,ip banned.

we are talking about a thousand or more $$$ on the line in the situations when they have several trades on the table like that.

[pskell02]

Originally Posted by cking

See if something was done about it then Ralph would not be in this position now.

Originally Posted by Qwasian

couldn't agree more...... this is why I continue to speak on negative situations right here.. because if something gets done about members who keep pulling this, it would stop. instead you see it happening more & more. I mean how many people have to get ripped off before these guys get permanent banned,ip banned.

we are talking about a thousand or more $$$ on the line in the situations when they have several trades on the table like that.

Answer me this. How the hell are we supposed to stop something like this before it happens? I'm certainly not psychic and can't tell when a member is going to be a problem. All we can do is deal with issues once the arise. We were only just alerted to this guy recently and are trying to deal with it.

[cking]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

couldn't agree more...... this is why I continue to speak on negative situations right here.. because if something gets done about members who keep pulling this, it would stop. instead you see it happening more & more. I mean how many people have to get ripped off before these guys get permanent banned,ip banned.

we are talking about a thousand or more $$$ on the line in the situations when they have several trades on the table like that.

Yes, I have people complaining that I am being angry and negative lately. I think people should focus on the robbing and stealing and not worry so much about my attitude. Bad attitude or not, my itrader speaks for itself. One thing you will never call me is a thief or a scammer. I am who I am and I will not change for anyone. People need to get thier priorities straight.

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by pskell02

Answer me this. How the hell are we supposed to stop something like this before it happens? I'm certainly not psychic and can't tell when a member is going to be a problem. All we can do is deal with issues once the arise. We were only just alerted to this guy recently and are trying to deal with it.

the one thing that I found extremely strange about this site, is that I got banned for accidentally bumping a thread too quickly, but a member that took my money for over 10 days without shipping my cards, then comes on here calls me a dickhead and rants over & over and is completely in the wrong has zero action taken on them, I had 3 different members take my money and hold it for over 10 days and ship absolutely nothing, no contact etc.

I mean I understand if you don't have time to keep up with the board, it's cool, but that struck me as a very strange scenario. the rule is not very consistant at all.

I don't feel like you can save the world, but? some of this stuff is a little crazy

[IamRalpho]

I asked Major League because he left On Card Auto positive feedback, so I was hoping to get some more information out of the situation.

[pskell02]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

the one thing that I found extremely strange about this site, is that I got banned for accidentally bumping a thread too quickly, but a member that took my money for over 10 days without shipping my cards, then comes on here calls me a dickhead and rants over & over and is completely in the wrong has zero action taken on them, I had 3 different members take my money and hold it for over 10 days and ship absolutely nothing, no contact etc.

I mean I understand if you don't have time to keep up with the board, it's cool, but that struck me as a very strange scenario. the rule is not very consistant at all.

I don't feel like you can save the world, but? some of this stuff is a little crazy

You sir were no angel in that situation. Some of the things you wrote probably should have landed you a few days on the pine as well. The member you speak of got a negative feedback, which is all the punishment we felt needed. So it was either suspend the both of you for the things you said, or let both go. So which would you like me to do? Let it go, or suspend you both for the language used? I'm down for either one.

And being suspended for bumping is a completely different issue. Don't want a timeout, don't bump threads early.

[FreeMan12406]

Is there any way to bring on another MOD?

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by pskell02

You sir were no angel in that situation. Some of the things you wrote probably should have landed you a few days on the pine as well. The member you speak of got a negative feedback, which is all the punishment we felt needed. So it was either suspend the both of you for the things you said, or let both go. So which would you like me to do? Let it go, or suspend you both for the language used? I'm down for either one.

And being suspended for bumping is a completely different issue. Don't want a timeout, don't bump threads early.

how about we handle the real issue and suspend someone for bad transactions? holding money not shipping, telling people they can get a refund when they feel like giving one, double selling cards etc.

in my opinion people talking back & forth is trivial, but people playing with peoples money and not handling business properly is monumental.

it's kinda offensive for you to say i'm not angel in the situation, I mean how would you expect me to react? I felt as if someone had stole my money, then came online and called me all types of names trying to bash me? what response would you expect from me?

I really feel like? if the job was done at the mod/administration level you wouldn't have any issue with me talking out of context.

why is it you want to snip at me for speaking up about people doing bad business and all that I've done wrong was talk out of context with 100% itrader and good standing who spends money with the site? yet you have members who have seriously tarnished the integrity of the forum and the buy sell trade situation?

how can bumping a thread be an almighty rule, but holding someones money for 10 days and not shipping a thing and then calling them a dickhead and rambling on all over the site is not an important rule?

you don't have to threaten me with a ban at all man, because I can logon right now and cancel all my orders on the front page and get a refund if that's the case.

[FreeMan12406]

I agree with Qwasian. The amount of leeway given to people on here to not send cards, to not send money, to hold money, is crazy.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

how about we handle the real issue and suspend someone for bad transactions? holding money not shipping, telling people they can get a refund when they feel like giving one, double selling cards etc.

in my opinion people talking back & forth is trivial, but people playing with peoples money and not handling business properly is monumental.

it's kinda offensive for you to say i'm not angel in the situation, I mean how would you expect me to react? I felt as if someone had stole my money, then came online and called me all types of names trying to bash me? what response would you expect from me?

I really feel like? if the job was done at the mod/administration level you wouldn't have any issue with me talking out of context.

why is it you want to snip at me for speaking up about people doing bad business and all that I've done wrong was talk out of context with 100% itrader and good standing who spends money with the site? yet you have members who have seriously tarnished the integrity of the forum and the buy sell trade situation?

how can bumping a thread be an almighty rule, but holding someones money for 10 days and not shipping a thing and then calling them a dickhead and rambling on all over the site is not an important rule?

you don't have to threaten me with a ban at all man, because I can logon right now and cancel all my orders on the front page and get a refund if that's the case.

the mods can't track every transaction all the time- that's impossible. and BO would have to hire on staff to do that which would in turn either cost us money for each deal or raise the prices on product to pay for that. Not going to happen.


I think the important thing is to make sure people leave HONEST feedback without fear of reprisal. I doubt mods can block IPs due to some ISPs using dynamic services, meaning the intended blocked IP could go to another member in that area and block them while the blocked member gets a new IP to get in and scam again.

It's just not as easy as you seem to think it is, bromosapien.

but hey, go take your ball and go home. I doubt many will cry about it.

[Ajax1723]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

how about we handle the real issue and suspend someone for bad transactions? holding money not shipping, telling people they can get a refund when they feel like giving one, double selling cards etc.

in my opinion people talking back & forth is trivial, but people playing with peoples money and not handling business properly is monumental.

it's kinda offensive for you to say i'm not angel in the situation, I mean how would you expect me to react? I felt as if someone had stole my money, then came online and called me all types of names trying to bash me? what response would you expect from me?

I really feel like? if the job was done at the mod/administration level you wouldn't have any issue with me talking out of context.

why is it you want to snip at me for speaking up about people doing bad business and all that I've done wrong was talk out of context with 100% itrader and good standing who spends money with the site? yet you have members who have seriously tarnished the integrity of the forum and the buy sell trade situation?

how can bumping a thread be an almighty rule, but holding someones money for 10 days and not shipping a thing and then calling them a dickhead and rambling on all over the site is not an important rule?

you don't have to threaten me with a ban at all man, because I can logon right now and cancel all my orders on the front page and get a refund if that's the case.

Then log off and don't come back. You are not God of the Blowout Forums. It is your choice to be on here, but don't make it out to be like you are above others when it comes to any rules. He is the moderator, and you are a regular user of the boards, just like ALL the rest of us.

Get off your throne, and use the board for what its meant to be used for; talking sports cards, making trades/sales/purchases, and general discussion of anything sports or non-sports in the off topic or various other sections.

Maybe you should be suspended. Frankly, some of the language/things you said in past threads recently were horrible, and I have a VERY high tolerance for stuff like that. Just chill, go back to contributing to the forums, and it will ALL get better, or you can continue bashing, bringing stuff back up after its already done, and making it 30 times worse for everyone else that has to deal with it clogging up sections where other actual discussions happen.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by FreeMan12406

I agree with Qwasian. The amount of leeway given to people on here to not send cards, to not send money, to hold money, is crazy.

again, probably would be avoided if people would leave honest feedback and were sure their reprisal negs/neutrals would be handled.


edit to add:

which they are, but i don't think people know how that works. perhaps a FAQ or guide to getting an unfair rating could be drawn up?

[NeedChapmans]

Just found the thread ... burned as well. Two Cingrani Blue Autos paid for on the 30th of October, same BS response about the Hurricane (He said he shipped ... no cards).

Pretty low to use the Hurricane as an excuse to stiff people. Paypal claim filed but damn, I want those two #*!@&in Cingrani autos!

-M

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Just found the thread ... burned as well. Two Cingrani Blue Autos paid for on the 30th of October, same BS response about the Hurricane (He said he shipped ... no cards).

Pretty low to use the Hurricane as an excuse to stiff people. Paypal claim filed but damn, I want those two #*!@&in Cingrani autos!

-M

yeah dude- throw up a claim. sounds like this guy used people as a payday loan.

[FreeMan12406]

Everyone is so afraid of getting retaliatory feedback it's ridiculous.

That shouldn't even be an option. And since it is, it should be removed immediately and ANYONE giving out false negatives should be banned on the spot.

[Qwasian]

Clarka3, i'm honestly not interested in speaking with you on the topic, as I feel that you are a member who has handled yourself improperly, and you were the member that made a thread calling me a dickhead, I believe that got deleted. I really feel you are a negative component to the conversation at hand.

Ajax I don't feel like i'm above anyone or the rules at all, when someone asked me about it, I responded with how I felt on the topic. I didn't message the mod and ask him to fix it, he came in the thread and asked a question so I responded with a method to fix it. I am not seeking action on anyone. if mods say I can't bump a thread, no problem, I won't bump a thread, if mods say it's cool for people to run all around the site and talk crazy cool, I'm ok with that. if mods think that people stealing money, lying, ducking pm's etc is cool, Im not going to do business with them? but hey, it's your message board, so I guess you can do whatever you want. I'm not attempting to take my ball & go home at all? but hey? if I get banned off the site i'm surely not spending any money here, that's just obvious.

people very commonly talk about ebay, members of the site as a service so they can know whats going on and know the situation. in my opinion that does nothing but help a mod to see what the actual situation is. I have ZERO issue with that at all....

but to me? it's kinda over the top for a mod to say, hey we can ban you too for being mad that someone was doing bad business and you speaking on it and talking all crazy? to me? that's incorrect. because if the mod would have banned someone for taking money without shipping then it wouldn't have happened....... if you don't care enough to ban someone for doing the bad business, how can you care enough to threaten me with a ban for talking about it in a issue with members forum, in which I didn't even make the thread?

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

Clarka3, i'm honestly not interested in speaking with you on the topic, as I feel that you are a member who has handled yourself improperly, and you were the member that made a thread calling me a dickhead, I believe that got deleted. I really feel you are a negative component to the conversation at hand.

Funny how threads where you look bad end up deleted, eh? But hey, i called you a dickhead for being one, and you bid up another card I wanted to win because you are one. I call that even.

Originally Posted by Qwasian

but to me? it's kinda over the top for a mod to say, hey we can ban you too for being mad that someone was doing bad business and you speaking on it and talking all crazy? to me? that's incorrect. because if the mod would have banned someone for taking money without shipping then it wouldn't have happened....... if you don't care enough to ban someone for doing the bad business, how can you care enough to threaten me with a ban for talking about it in a issue with members forum, in which I didn't even make the thread?

not what the Mod said whatsoever. twisty mind you've got lately my friend.

[Srt42004n]

Originally Posted by FreeMan12406

I agree with Qwasian. The amount of leeway given to people on here to not send cards, to not send money, to hold money, is crazy.

The thing that annoys me on this forum is how a member can be a scumbag and yet mods spend more time trying to justify or stickup for them then they do to try an eliminate the problem. I was banned several times for thread bumping and even banned for sending a message with a curse word but when the user i sent the message to was filling up a thread with lies and trying to create a situation I reported it to a mod and guess what....NOTHING WAS done because he was an established member on here...If I leave a neg Itrader saying the member failed to pay or complete a deal I get a message from a mod telling me to stay out of the users thread and to not warn others bc the OP was butt hurt...and if i did go and write a post id be on the outside looking in...

[Qwasian]

Clarka3, bro your just an instigator..... i'm not interested in going back & forth with you, I consider you to be a problematic member, move on. someone, a (MOD) has actually stepped in and taken notice... can you allow that to play out? and have an adult conversation on the topic?

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by Srt42004n

The thing that annoys me on this forum is how a member can be a scumbag and yet mods spend more time trying to justify or stickup for them then they do to try an eliminate the problem. I was banned several times for thread bumping and even banned for sending a message with a curse word but when the user i sent the message to was filling up a thread with lies and trying to create a situation I reported it to a mod and guess what....NOTHING WAS done because he was an established member on here...If I leave a neg Itrader saying the member failed to pay or complete a deal I get a message from a mod telling me to stay out of the users thread and to not warn others bc the OP was butt hurt...and if i did go and write a post id be on the outside looking in...

honestly i don't think our mods are this petty. if they told you to do something, it's probably because evidence was in the member in question's favor in this case.

I could be best friends with a mod on here, but if i broke the rules i bet they'd still bring the hammer down because that's their job- not to play favorites.

give the staff some credit people. They move as quickly as they can to the myriad of issues we throw their way, from petty arguments and flame wars to full blown scammers.


i will tell you this though, as soon as I identified a scammer under a different name, they took swift action and dropped the banhammer immediately upon my forwarding of the PM in question. If nobody reports these people or keeps track of them (is there a master list somewhere in the hidden part of the forums?), then it's tough for them to get caught before they strike.

The only reason I knew the guy was a scammer this time around was because he dicked me over on one of my first deals for about a month before making it somewhat right.

[cking]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

honestly i don't think our mods are this petty. if they told you to do something, it's probably because evidence was in the member in question's favor in this case.

I could be best friends with a mod on here, but if i broke the rules i bet they'd still bring the hammer down because that's their job- not to play favorites.

give the staff some credit people. They move as quickly as they can to the myriad of issues we throw their way, from petty arguments and flame wars to full blown scammers.


i will tell you this though, as soon as I identified a scammer under a different name, they took swift action and dropped the banhammer immediately upon my forwarding of the PM in question. If nobody reports these people or keeps track of them (is there a master list somewhere in the hidden part of the forums?), then it's tough for them to get caught before they strike.

The only reason I knew the guy was a scammer this time around was because he dicked me over on one of my first deals for about a month before making it somewhat right.

Andy , without getting into a big debate about it the point I think Qwasian is trying to make, at least I think anyway, I cant speak for the guy is this. We all know the mods have alot to monitor on here and dont get much in return for thier trouble. Sometimes it seems that they are a little more focused on the smaller issue of a thread bump then the much more important issue of someone getting robbed. Thats all. Should people get to bump threads early? No, of course not its in the rules that you cannot bump until 24 hrs. It just seems overwhelming lately the problems with dealing on here. And if you dont think the people that are robbing everyone or taking forever to ship dont look at the members feedback section then you are sadly mistaken. People do it because they know they can. Again thats not on the mods as they can only do something when it is brought to thier attention. I should not have to be worried everytime I do a deal on here. It does not have to be like that. Thats all I got. I am stepping out of this thread. Not everybody is gonna like everyone else. Thats life. Its human nature. No one on here has the right to hold someones money or not ship for weeks on end. Nothing anyone can say is gonna justify that to me. Raiderguy got scammed for $1900. Thats a shame. Hes a great guy with a family to take care of.

[MetDude]

how did this thread become about Qwasian ??????

[Srt42004n]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

honestly i don't think our mods are this petty. if they told you to do something, it's probably because evidence was in the member in question's favor in this case.

I could be best friends with a mod on here, but if i broke the rules i bet they'd still bring the hammer down because that's their job- not to play favorites.

give the staff some credit people. They move as quickly as they can to the myriad of issues we throw their way, from petty arguments and flame wars to full blown scammers.


i will tell you this though, as soon as I identified a scammer under a different name, they took swift action and dropped the banhammer immediately upon my forwarding of the PM in question. If nobody reports these people or keeps track of them (is there a master list somewhere in the hidden part of the forums?), then it's tough for them to get caught before they strike.

The only reason I knew the guy was a scammer this time around was because he dicked me over on one of my first deals for about a month before making it somewhat right.

Well come out from under your rock they are that petty it happened just a few short weeks ago. And they didnt tell me to do anything it was more like dont post or you'll be banned.. along those lines... more of a do as we say and dont ask why kinda deal. The problem with the quick ban of a suspected scammer is that they will leave the boards it is actually hurting the person who bought/traded makes communicating a bit harder.

[Qwasian]

Originally Posted by Srt42004n

Well come out from under your rock they are that petty it happened just a few short weeks ago. And they didnt tell me to do anything it was more like dont post or you'll be banned.. along those lines... more of a do as we say and dont ask why kinda deal. The problem with the quick ban of a suspected scammer is that they will leave the boards it is actually hurting the person who bought/traded makes communicating a bit harder.

I agree that the thread bump situation I had myself was extremely strange, the way it occurred you would think someone was sitting on the website 24 hours a day waiting for you to be 1 minute off and as soon as you are BOOM!!! GOTCHA, because Im not even a person who bumps threads, the thread I was in got bumped because I responded to 2 people in the thread asking questions and the reponses ended up being back to back. very strange scenario that I got banned for a few days for that. seemed like overkill of power? but then nothing done when an actual issue popped up? I truly didn't understand that.

very simple solution for the banning of scammers, ban them only from the buy/sell/trade forums and if they make a post outside of those trying to sell, permanent ban.

[Clarka3]

Originally Posted by Qwasian

I agree that the thread bump situation I had myself was extremely strange, the way it occurred you would think someone was sitting on the website 24 hours a day waiting for you to be 1 minute off and as soon as you are BOOM!!! GOTCHA, because Im not even a person who bumps threads, the thread I was in got bumped because I responded to 2 people in the thread asking questions and the reponses ended up being back to back. very strange scenario that I got banned for a few days for that. seemed like overkill of power? but then nothing done when an actual issue popped up? I truly didn't understand that.

very simple solution for the banning of scammers, ban them only from the buy/sell/trade forums and if they make a post outside of those trying to sell, permanent ban.

it probably got reported by a third party (the multi bump).

That's how mods get most of the stuff. Members report posts or threads. The Mods get an email alert and they check it out. There is also a part of the forum that will show an alert for a reported post/thread.

Aside from reporting, they generally get PM'd about stuff. They aren't able to trawl every post of every thread to keep us in line.

So, i doubt a mod was sitting there waiting for you to screw up. Somebody probably came along and reported it.