Lost all faith in this site.

[hotbox]

I'm assuming fish didn't read the whole thread involving maggliofan and chas? Changing that negative was not the right call in my opinion. So you're allowed to take advantage of a new member, not pay until you feel like it, and try to sell the card BEFORE you pay? And that doesn't warrant a negative feedback? Makes sense...


I do think the mods do a good job, I certainly wouldn't want this as a job, it's a lot of work. But this was a mistake.

[sunsfan8]

Where the @#@# was I for this?

[hotbox]

Didn't this get deleted? I'm confused.

[MI Rob]

Originally Posted by hotbox

Didn't this get deleted? I'm confused.

Me too, it was definitely gone for a little while.

Blowout forums are getting real shady.

[death2redemptions]

Originally Posted by iluvfish2

Guys I'll fully take any heat on this if you so feel the need to blame someone.

I changed the feedback to neutral. While there were issues with this deal I wont deny that. So for sure a positive wasnt justifable. I felt that because ChasK510 was paid for the card that the negative wasnt worthy.

I'm assuming you didn't read the thread because if you did you'd know it 100% warrants a NEGATIVE feedback. What you did was ridiculous. Mods should only be involved in changing feedback if there was a retaliation. I'm not going to judge you because I don't know you but from what I know you do a good job moderating this site but I think this was a bad move. This situation just sounds a little shady because I heard the guy who got his feedback changed does a lot of box breaks for Blowout or something. I know nothing of this, just what I heard so it may not be true. Again, I appreciate what you do for this site but I think you need to change his feedback back to negative...do the right thing.

[houdini]

To the op, I am sorry this situation went sour.

The mods and the admin of this site do an amazing job. The amount of stuff they have to wade through on a daily basis from some of the whiny people on this forum is insane.

However, I think iluvfish made a mistake here. He may have never seen the original thread or had forgotten the details and simply based his decision on the message he had in front of him. Yes, I am guessing here.

So, the mod isn't perfect.

I do agree there needs to be more mods, but who the hell wants that job?

Here is the dilemma in a nutshell for those of you who do not understand:

The people you would want as a mod do not want the job.
The people who do want the job are not the people you want.

It is very rare to find someone who can do the job without getting an ego about it and alienating everyone. The two mods we have are pretty damn good at that, but they are not perfect. Sorry.

Originally Posted by MI Rob

Me too, it was definitely gone for a little while.

Blowout forums are getting real shady.

I am certain they took it down to discuss it. Then they put it back up.

I think your definition of shady is a bit off.

[smackvay]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

I'd just like the feedback changed back to the negative. I think fish and the others do a great job to the best of their abilities.

we're not all perfect, folks.

clarka you said it best!!!!!!!!! just read houdini's post as well, he is right on as well. its simple if you guys dont like this site or the way things are go somewhere else? im not trying to make enemies but if i stumble into a crack house and realize thats where i am i change my environment, as thats not a place i want to be at. I have had more members at this site send me stuff and trade me cards for nothing just so they could help out my collection than the other sites. In general like it or leave it. i have my popcorn so throw me under the bus for having an opinion

[bjs852]

[bjs852]

[MI Rob]

Originally Posted by houdini

To the op, I am sorry this situation went sour.

The mods and the admin of this site do an amazing job. The amount of stuff they have to wade through on a daily basis from some of the whiny people on this forum is insane.

However, I think iluvfish made a mistake here. He may have never seen the original thread or had forgotten the details and simply based his decision on the message he had in front of him. Yes, I am guessing here.

So, the mod isn't perfect.

I do agree there needs to be more mods, but who the hell wants that job?

Here is the dilemma in a nutshell for those of you who do not understand:

The people you would want as a mod do not want the job.
The people who do want the job are not the people you want.

It is very rare to find someone who can do the job without getting an ego about it and alienating everyone. The two mods we have are pretty damn good at that, but they are not perfect. Sorry.



I am certain they took it down to discuss it. Then they put it back up.

I think your definition of shady is a bit off.

Blowout sweeps everything under the rug. There are blatant liars, scammers, members who leave ridiculous retaliatory negatives and they aren't removed, etc. I don't know what other criteria you would need to call this place shady. Priorities are pretty backwards around here.

[avjp87]

did anybody's posts from this thread get deleted from the time this thread came back? Cause this whole thread was deleted and then reappeared hours later. What a shocker, another shady doing on here.

[Clarka3]

i agree that disappearing threads get annoying. I would like to see the offending post censored with a comment from the mod that censored it in the post. if the issue keeps getting worse, I'd rather see the thread locked rather than deleted or moved to the hidden parts of the board.

[xbignick]

iluvfish made a mistake in changing the feedback, too much of a pile on on him, and too many people forgetting the original bad-doer in magglio. Has he even posted in the thread? Would like to hear his side of things.

[jason122883]

This isnt the only neg that got changed on here. Ryo left 808buynsell a negative for not paying for his group break slot, like Pat said to in this thread here

2012 Absolute Football 18 Box Master Case Random Team Group Break! POST 193

Well. 808 who was intentionally being a prick, left Ryo a retaliatory neg. Ryo got it removed. The clown then leave Ryo ANOTHER neg because the first one got removed. Well, not only is 808 still a member here, but one of the mods even downgraded his feedback to a neutral.

When I buy something on here. I pay right away. When someone buys something from me, I ship the next day 98% of the time. When I don't the buyer is well aware that it will be taking another day. When I get in a group break I pay for my slot, well before the deadline. It just pisses me off that I strive to keep my feedback perfect, and be a good part of the community. When others can be rude, and crap on others, and then have a mod change the deserved feedback.

[cking]

I will stay away from the subject matter at hand here but may I ask this and get some opinions. If I buy something on here and pay instantly, and by instantly I mean literally within 45 seconds should the seller have the right to leave me negative feedback if 3 weeks go by and I dont recieve my card and I pm them and ask nicely where my card is? Because sellers have the right to do this on here as far as I know. Would like others thoughts on this. Lets have a respectful adult conversation without bashing anyone.

[babyfaceposey]

Originally Posted by cking

I will stay away from the subject matter at hand here but may I ask this and get some opinions. If I buy something on here and pay instantly, and by instantly I mean literally within 45 seconds should the seller have the right to leave me negative feedback if 3 weeks go by and I dont recieve my card and I pm them and ask nicely where my card is? Because sellers have the right to do this on here as far as I know. Would like others thoughts on this. Lets have a respectful adult conversation without bashing anyone.

You have every right to ask where your card is. If you received a negative it should be removed. As a buyer you paid. Nothing left for you to do. It is the responsibilty of the seller to ship the card securely in a timely manner. I understand things come up. Make contact with the buyer and give him a heads up. Its that simple.

[JosieDively]

Originally Posted by cking

I will stay away from the subject matter at hand here but may I ask this and get some opinions. If I buy something on here and pay instantly, and by instantly I mean literally within 45 seconds should the seller have the right to leave me negative feedback if 3 weeks go by and I dont recieve my card and I pm them and ask nicely where my card is? Because sellers have the right to do this on here as far as I know. Would like others thoughts on this. Lets have a respectful adult conversation without bashing anyone.

I think once payment is received appropriate feedbaçk should be left. I wish BO was linked with Paypal like eBay and it prompted the seller to do so after receiving payment. I agree with you that too often intrest free loans are given. If payment is held without a card being sent, we should start getting a percentage of out payment back for a certain amount of time that elapses.

[lemur01]

Originally Posted by Major_League

I've waited a year for a retaliatory neg to be removed...
Still not removed.

I don't get it.

Me neither. Makes about as much sense as the bolded part of the statement below.

Originally Posted by iluvfish2

Guys I'll fully take any heat on this if you so feel the need to blame someone.

I changed the feedback to neutral. While there were issues with this deal I wont deny that. So for sure a positive wasnt justifable. I felt that because ChasK510 was paid for the card that the negative wasnt worthy.

I have a question. Is this changing legit feedback based on your feelings something that happens often?

[cking]

Originally Posted by smackvay

clarka you said it best!!!!!!!!! just read houdini's post as well, he is right on as well. its simple if you guys dont like this site or the way things are go somewhere else? im not trying to make enemies but if i stumble into a crack house and realize thats where i am i change my environment, as thats not a place i want to be at. I have had more members at this site send me stuff and trade me cards for nothing just so they could help out my collection than the other sites. In general like it or leave it. i have my popcorn so throw me under the bus for having an opinion

So basically what you are saying is that anyone can treat you anyway they so choose and if we dont like it we can leave.? So if we do a trade and I refuse to send my end then too bad for you. After all,if you dont like it then you can leave.

[mufasa]

Originally Posted by lemur01

I have a question. Is this changing legit feedback based on your feelings something that happens often?

I know he changed the feedback I left because of his own personal feelings and also assumed things happened that did not.

[Major_League]

I believe we have a few problems here.

A) not enough mods- I have inquired no less than 5 times offering my services. I assume my almost 500 positives and 6500+ posts are not good enough to be considered? Or I suppose it's my attitude? Every time I'm told we are training them??? For over a year? You may not like me, and I may have an attitude some days, but if I agree to a deal I pay. If we have an issue I'm fair and I try to resolve it.

B) I agree with Houdini the mods are human. I met Iluvfish2 at the National and IMO the dude gets it. They both do a wonderful job and I find it hard to critique the job they do. They have been set-up to fail with the workload, time constraints, and policies. They are trying to handle the workload of a 500 member site, not that of the huge member base here. This insistence on keeping only 2 main mods on a forum growing so fast is utterly ridiculous.

C) it is not possible to run an UN-biased card forum when the goal is to only promote your business. I found this out personally on the forum I started a few months ago. I made a decision that manufacturing was my goal so rather than continue down this path I made a change. If you want to sell product then make your forum about selling product.

I have not looked but I venture to say if I'm not first in # of posts and feedback in my time here I must be darn close. I have all but ceased my posting here outside of buying. And tbh even that is being left to people I can trust. The sad part is that this forum IMO is easier to navigate and has better topics than any other. But when someone like me has a retaliatory neg posted against him and nobody does anything, well, I just give up. I would say on at least 10 occasions in the past 20 months I could and should have left negatives or neutrals. But why the hell would I do it when it just damages my feedback?

I believe things will change here soon. Why? Because backlash is being felt where it matters. I have and will continue to give the owners here mad props for expanding this business to the current levels. It is not an easy task and they should be complimented for that. However, the current path around here is not positive. I truly hope things can change and we can see the old times return

[KevJo]

Originally Posted by Major_League

I believe we have a few problems here.

A) not enough mods- I have enquired no less than 5 times offering my services. I assume my almost 500 positives and 7000+ posts are not good enough to be considered? Or I suppose it's my attitude? Everytime I'm told we are training them??? For over a year? You may not like me, and I may have an attitude some days, but if I agree to a deal I pay. If we have an issue I'm fair and I try to resolve it.

Read my earlier post. Said nearly the same things. So your points are what I see as well. Why not ask for help or recruit some mods to help? I have mentioned I have been a Mod on several Golf forums and they have not only 5-6 Head Mods but 20+ Section Mods and even some assistant mods. That website is run nearly perfect. The absolute key is, more help so when stuff like the removal of Negatives can be brought in front of a group of mods versus one or two. I am truly thankful for both mods and what they do, its not easy at all.

Kevin

[bjs852]

Id love to hear a Mods opinion on some of this.......come out, come out, where ever you are.................

[MasterPattie]

Originally Posted by iluvfish2

Guys I'll fully take any heat on this if you so feel the need to blame someone.

I changed the feedback to neutral. While there were issues with this deal I wont deny that. So for sure a positive wasnt justifable. I felt that because ChasK510 was paid for the card that the negative wasnt worthy.

I love you Robert, but...

[bjs852]

The silence is deafening......