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Old 03-23-2013, 06:48 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I have a BGS card that is slabbed that I didn't care about , so I went outside and dropped it on the street ....... 21 times, still just chipped up the corners of the slab , No breakie ... Its just hard to believe... But this does seem like a fun game so I will keep going till I get it shattered , then I will post my findings as proof that it can occur and what a small percentage it is.


Not siding with seller on this , bc it seems shady , not siding with negative on this , bc stranger things have happened . Sounds neutral on this end~
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:02 PM   #52 (permalink)
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So...

Seller lies about the reasons for not following through, then lies about not being able to show proof. (Come on, with all the methods available to post a photo...) Then he posts on here telling us to just forget about it?

Yeah...top notch stupidity.
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I have a BGS card that is slabbed that I didn't care about , so I went outside and dropped it on the street ....... 21 times, still just chipped up the corners of the slab , No breakie ... Its just hard to believe... But this does seem like a fun game so I will keep going till I get it shattered , then I will post my findings as proof that it can occur and what a small percentage it is.


Not siding with seller on this , bc it seems shady , not siding with negative on this , bc stranger things have happened . Sounds neutral on this end~
that test will be invalid if you keep dropping it your weakening the case each time inevitably it will shatter eventually.
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The neg is served up because of the lie. Nothing more. I know this is going to sound dirty but if you are going to lie, follow through with it. After 2 weeks the buyer would have notified you that he didnt get the card. Would have suggested a refund and nothing would have come about except the refund. But by doing that, you wouldnt be able to sell the card anytime soon. But by saying its cracked slab and damaged, we should never see that card in gem mint for sale ever again. Correct?
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Seller lies about the reasons for not following through, then lies about not being able to show proof. (Come on, with all the methods available to post a photo...) Then he posts on here telling us to just forget about it?

Yeah...top notch stupidity.
Agreed.

Definitely neg worthy IMO.
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What I want to know is how do all you righteous people KNOW the seller is lying? Have we seen the card in someone elses collection? Has anyone seen the card up for sale? Or do people THINK they know everything and that he is lying? Since everyone wants PROOF of the damage how about some PROOF he is lying?? Can anyone provide PROOF??? How many of you would be defensive if someone called you a liar not once but TWICE? The seller came to the buyer with his story was basically called a liar and to show proof and when told a reason not to it was assumed to be a lie AGAIN! By the time you ask me a 3rd time my reply to you would be vulgar! You attack a mans honesty and integrity with absolutely NO PROOF yet you want proof from him. Ignorance and stupidity at its finest. I have slowed down my dealings alot on this forum and not because of fear of scammers or liars, its fear of the lynch mob mentality seen by so many "good" members. If you feel you have reason to be paranoid then GET OFF THE INTERNET!! Stupid people you dont go driving thru the ghetto if you fear getting robbed do you?? You KNOW this site is full of scammers yet you're still here lol
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Old 03-24-2013, 02:45 AM   #57 (permalink)
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What I want to know is how do all you righteous people KNOW the seller is lying? Have we seen the card in someone elses collection? Has anyone seen the card up for sale? Or do people THINK they know everything and that he is lying? Since everyone wants PROOF of the damage how about some PROOF he is lying?? Can anyone provide PROOF??? How many of you would be defensive if someone called you a liar not once but TWICE? The seller came to the buyer with his story was basically called a liar and to show proof and when told a reason not to it was assumed to be a lie AGAIN! By the time you ask me a 3rd time my reply to you would be vulgar! You attack a mans honesty and integrity with absolutely NO PROOF yet you want proof from him. Ignorance and stupidity at its finest. I have slowed down my dealings alot on this forum and not because of fear of scammers or liars, its fear of the lynch mob mentality seen by so many "good" members. If you feel you have reason to be paranoid then GET OFF THE INTERNET!! Stupid people you dont go driving thru the ghetto if you fear getting robbed do you?? You KNOW this site is full of scammers yet you're still here lol
No one is speaking in absolute terms, it seems like you're being overly reactionary in response to the accusations. When you're taking someone else's money, seller has burden of proof given the responsibility to see a deal through to the end (e.g., tracking info, pics, etc.).

Why isn't the seller proactive in clearing his name and the situation by doing something substantive to legitimate his end of the story? A refund without a more detailed explanation is not a resolution.
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What I want to know is how do all you righteous people KNOW the seller is lying? Have we seen the card in someone elses collection? Has anyone seen the card up for sale? Or do people THINK they know everything and that he is lying? Since everyone wants PROOF of the damage how about some PROOF he is lying?? Can anyone provide PROOF??? How many of you would be defensive if someone called you a liar not once but TWICE? The seller came to the buyer with his story was basically called a liar and to show proof and when told a reason not to it was assumed to be a lie AGAIN! By the time you ask me a 3rd time my reply to you would be vulgar! You attack a mans honesty and integrity with absolutely NO PROOF yet you want proof from him. Ignorance and stupidity at its finest. I have slowed down my dealings alot on this forum and not because of fear of scammers or liars, its fear of the lynch mob mentality seen by so many "good" members. If you feel you have reason to be paranoid then GET OFF THE INTERNET!! Stupid people you dont go driving thru the ghetto if you fear getting robbed do you?? You KNOW this site is full of scammers yet you're still here lol
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My anger is pointed at all the people calling him a liar right off the bat. The man stated his story and should be taken at his word until evidence is placed to negate that. Yet no one has that evidence and just throws accusations. Everyone calling him a liar IS speking in absolute terms, the OP is even speaking in absolute terms by starting this thread. He THINKS he knows the seller sold elsewhere hencehis asking for advise instead of taking the seller for his word.
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My anger is pointed at all the people calling him a liar right off the bat. The man stated his story and should be taken at his word until evidence is placed to negate that. Yet no one has that evidence and just throws accusations. Everyone calling him a liar IS speking in absolute terms, the OP is even speaking in absolute terms by starting this thread. He THINKS he knows the seller sold elsewhere hencehis asking for advise instead of taking the seller for his word.
His responses are pretty clear that something questionable is going on. Real easy to prove and yet you somehow are gullible enough to believe his story.

edit- BTW for giggles- have you ever owned a BGS card.

I will also offer $15 paypal to broski to post pictures of the card laying on the table in a top loader seeing how it is out of the slab. Text me a pic and I will post it if he does nto have a scanner or camera. Somebody in the house has a cheesy camera phone
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What I want to know is how do all you righteous people KNOW the seller is lying? Have we seen the card in someone elses collection? Has anyone seen the card up for sale? Or do people THINK they know everything and that he is lying? Since everyone wants PROOF of the damage how about some PROOF he is lying?? Can anyone provide PROOF??? How many of you would be defensive if someone called you a liar not once but TWICE? The seller came to the buyer with his story was basically called a liar and to show proof and when told a reason not to it was assumed to be a lie AGAIN! By the time you ask me a 3rd time my reply to you would be vulgar! You attack a mans honesty and integrity with absolutely NO PROOF yet you want proof from him. Ignorance and stupidity at its finest. I have slowed down my dealings alot on this forum and not because of fear of scammers or liars, its fear of the lynch mob mentality seen by so many "good" members. If you feel you have reason to be paranoid then GET OFF THE INTERNET!! Stupid people you dont go driving thru the ghetto if you fear getting robbed do you?? You KNOW this site is full of scammers yet you're still here lol
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My anger is pointed at all the people calling him a liar right off the bat. The man stated his story and should be taken at his word until evidence is placed to negate that. Yet no one has that evidence and just throws accusations. Everyone calling him a liar IS speking in absolute terms, the OP is even speaking in absolute terms by starting this thread. He THINKS he knows the seller sold elsewhere hencehis asking for advise instead of taking the seller for his word.
Are you really - I mean REALLY - telling us that we should unquestioningly take someone's "word" at face value on an online forum? Yeah...okay.

Guess the seller thinks sticking his head in the sand will make this go away.
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Are you really - I mean REALLY - telling us that we should unquestioningly take someone's "word" at face value on an online forum? Yeah...okay.

Guess the seller thinks sticking his head in the sand will make this go away.
Just like everything else on here.It will go away in a day or two and the seller will be back on the board b/s/t like nothing happened.
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Ive had cases shatter. I can get cards out pretty easily for resubs. So many people on this forum think because something never happened to them that it cant possibly have happened. You probably could drop a slab 1000 times and never get it to break but all it took was 1 time for me. If I was the seller and the forum was so quick to judge I would do the same thing. And ive never had a neg in over 10000 transactions in 15 years of dealing with cards online. Then again ive never had a board attack me cuz they think something is impossible to have happened. You guys need to stop thinking cuz its not working for you. If you guys are so scared of scammers and shady people the get the F offline! Ive seen alot of good decent people being crucified recently cuz of all the paranoid people on here.
So, in your opinion, we should believe all the people with medical issues that prevent them from shipping cards they sold unless we can prove they didn't fall off a ladder while fixing their yacht in the middle of Superstorm Sandy?

Also, what "good decent people" have been unjustly crucified here lately?
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What I want to know is how do all you righteous people KNOW the seller is lying? Have we seen the card in someone elses collection? Has anyone seen the card up for sale? Or do people THINK they know everything and that he is lying? Since everyone wants PROOF of the damage how about some PROOF he is lying?? Can anyone provide PROOF??? How many of you would be defensive if someone called you a liar not once but TWICE? The seller came to the buyer with his story was basically called a liar and to show proof and when told a reason not to it was assumed to be a lie AGAIN! By the time you ask me a 3rd time my reply to you would be vulgar! You attack a mans honesty and integrity with absolutely NO PROOF yet you want proof from him. Ignorance and stupidity at its finest. I have slowed down my dealings alot on this forum and not because of fear of scammers or liars, its fear of the lynch mob mentality seen by so many "good" members. If you feel you have reason to be paranoid then GET OFF THE INTERNET!! Stupid people you dont go driving thru the ghetto if you fear getting robbed do you?? You KNOW this site is full of scammers yet you're still here lol
This entire post is insanity.

All the guy had to do was scan the card after he threw away the "shattered" case - done and done. The rest is just noise.
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I will also offer $15 paypal to broski to post pictures of the card laying on the table in a top loader seeing how it is out of the slab. Text me a pic and I will post it if he does nto have a scanner or camera. Somebody in the house has a cheesy camera phone
ok fine $20 paypal. Free $$ broski.
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My anger is pointed at all the people calling him a liar right off the bat. The man stated his story and should be taken at his word until evidence is placed to negate that. Yet no one has that evidence and just throws accusations. Everyone calling him a liar IS speking in absolute terms, the OP is even speaking in absolute terms by starting this thread. He THINKS he knows the seller sold elsewhere hencehis asking for advise instead of taking the seller for his word.
You can't be serious, take him at his WORD? Are you kidding me?

His story is questionable and simply unbelievable to anyone with common sense. A BGS slab would not "shatter" if dropped unless maybe...and I say maybe...it were actually thrown on the floor on purpose.

He has been given an easy chance to clear his name...simply post a picture of the "shattered" case. If he is still putting things up on E-Bay I'm sure he has something that he can use, a scanner or camera phone, anything. ALL he has to do is post that simple pic. Yet he will not. It's pretty obvious he lied.
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I have a friend, he's a sketch artist for a local police department ill have him come over and sketch the card. He can be there tomorrow or Tuesday. Which day works best for you?
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I have over 300 BGS cards and have had one shatter into about 6 pieces from dropping it about waist high.

The guy instantly refunded your money and explained the situation.

If it was me I would have been pissed and threw everything away. And after already being pissed and explaining to you I get called a liar I woukd have told you to go f yourself.

Again NO ONE has proof he is lying but still expects him to appease your fears. Hypocrites lol
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I have over 300 BGS cards and have had one shatter into about 6 pieces from dropping it about waist high.

The guy instantly refunded your money and explained the situation.

If it was me I would have been pissed and threw everything away. And after already being pissed and explaining to you I get called a liar I woukd have told you to go f yourself.

Again NO ONE has proof he is lying but still expects him to appease your fears. Hypocrites lol
Not sure who said they had fear. I could not find the posts you are referring too. Your hypocrisy reference has no merit

I will up the offer to $25 paypal for just a pic of the card in a top loader on a table.
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I have over 300 BGS cards and have had one shatter into about 6 pieces from dropping it about waist high.

The guy instantly refunded your money and explained the situation.

If it was me I would have been pissed and threw everything away. And after already being pissed and explaining to you I get called a liar I woukd have told you to go f yourself.

Again NO ONE has proof he is lying but still expects him to appease your fears. Hypocrites lol
Noise noise noise

All he has to do is scan or take a picture of an item he himself said was not thrown away as only the case was - all the other stuff you posted is pointless.
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And all you guys have to do is prove he is a liar ... I'll give $100 paypal for proof.
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And my hypocrisy referrence is to those wanting proof but not offering proof when asked. Everyone asks him for proof but none give it up when asked.
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