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Old 07-11-2013, 01:03 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Actually, a negative was never dropped. The seller still has a negative. The buyer received a positive and funds above what he paid for the card. It was a mistake, but, the buyer did not end up without profit.
This is the way it should have played out. Buying positive feedback should never work out So did you sell it another member on here
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Same difference at the end of the day. Just find it ironic that you selectively choose to support one as a mistake and to be forgiven (Remember a deal is a deal and a binding transactional agreement) yet you want to persecute a similar issue because when the seller re negs on a deal because of his mistake.
I simply judge each situation on its own merits rather than throw blanket morality on everything. Each situation has its own set of variables. I'll take you through my thought process on each issue, beginning with the $0.99 BIN situation.

The majority of auctions for sports cards on Ebay begin with a $0.99 starting bid. Some sellers use both auctions and BIN for selling cards. Some sellers use some kind of listing tool to list multiple auctions and BIN items. Sometimes through either an error on the part of the lister or on the part of the tool, an item that was intended to be sold at auction with a starting bid of $0.99 may get listed as a BIN for $0.99. Before the seller notices the error, someone hits the BIN. The seller never intended to sell the item for $0.99.

Now, on the other hand, a seller had a card and has decided, without doing any research, that he wants $75 for the card that usually sells for $200. He lists the card for sale, and a buyer lets the seller know he will purchase the card. The seller agrees to accept payment, and takes payment. Before shipping out the card, he sees other people posting about what a steal the buyer is getting, and realizes that he has undercut himself. He then decides that he will not honor his agreement with the 1st buyer and sells the card to a 2nd buyer. In this case, the seller's intention was to sell the card for $75, not the $200 that he later leaned the card could get.

Yes, by the letter of the "law", both issues involve a seller making a mistake, and in both situations the buyer is entitled to purchase the card/s. I agree with you on that.

However, can you see where these situations differ morally? Can you see how one mistake is more understandable than the other?
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well, scackles thread is locked

no neg and thread will vanish to the depths of the bottom of the thread sea...
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Actually, there was no attempt to "buy" feedback. A mistake was made so it was appropriate to send additional funds to the buyer for compensation for the mistake. There is still a negative in the seller's feedback and am in agreement it should be there.
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so whos the Lucky New Owner??
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so whos the Lucky New Owner??
I wonder if it was someone on here who pm'ed after the sale
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it will probably be close to another 10 years before another surfaces

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do you have all of those, Magicpapa?
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do you have all of those, Magicpapa?
Yes, and theses too
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Very nice collection. Like the Donruss Preferred Precious Metal card. Thought those were always great cards.
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I simply judge each situation on its own merits rather than throw blanket morality on everything. Each situation has its own set of variables. I'll take you through my thought process on each issue, beginning with the $0.99 BIN situation.

The majority of auctions for sports cards on Ebay begin with a $0.99 starting bid. Some sellers use both auctions and BIN for selling cards. Some sellers use some kind of listing tool to list multiple auctions and BIN items. Sometimes through either an error on the part of the lister or on the part of the tool, an item that was intended to be sold at auction with a starting bid of $0.99 may get listed as a BIN for $0.99. Before the seller notices the error, someone hits the BIN. The seller never intended to sell the item for $0.99.

Now, on the other hand, a seller had a card and has decided, without doing any research, that he wants $75 for the card that usually sells for $200. He lists the card for sale, and a buyer lets the seller know he will purchase the card. The seller agrees to accept payment, and takes payment. Before shipping out the card, he sees other people posting about what a steal the buyer is getting, and realizes that he has undercut himself. He then decides that he will not honor his agreement with the 1st buyer and sells the card to a 2nd buyer. In this case, the seller's intention was to sell the card for $75, not the $200 that he later leaned the card could get.

Yes, by the letter of the "law", both issues involve a seller making a mistake, and in both situations the buyer is entitled to purchase the card/s. I agree with you on that.

However, can you see where these situations differ morally? Can you see how one mistake is more understandable than the other?
The only difference is the perception of the error. An error is still an error at the end of the day. In both cases that error is going to cost the seller money. In case one for not double checking prior to hitting the "List item" button and the other for not doing diligent work to find out true market price. No matter how you cut it, they are both mistakes on the sellers end.

They are both easily justified by any excuse that the seller wants to make. "I made a mistake listing it". Or.. "I mistakenly sold a card prior to to knowing true market value". Its the same. Its still a mistake at the end of the day.

You deem the seller selling a card for 99 cent to be a mistake because "Why would he ever sell a $200 card for 99 cents"? You're correct. So let me ask you, why would the seller here in this case ever sell a $200 for $75?

Morally? Both sellers should sell the card that they listed it for, whether its a mistake or not. Eat the cost of the mistake. The rest of us do, so why shouldnt they? The only thing to understand here is that we shouldnt crucify or appease one mans mistakes while doing the rerverse to the other. What for? Do you think we go out of our way to make these mistakes?

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You deem the seller selling a card for 99 cent to be a mistake because "Why would he ever sell a $200 card for 99 cents"? You're correct. So let me ask you, why would the seller here in this case ever sell a $200 for $75?
Because he/she didn't know the going rate. In one case the seller never meant to sell it at that price and in the other he/she did.

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Morally? Both sellers should sell the card that they listed it for, whether its a mistake or not. Eat the cost of the mistake. The rest of us do, so why shouldnt they? The only thing to understand here is that we shouldnt crucify or appease one mans mistakes while doing the rerverse to the other. What for? Do you think we go out of our way to make these mistakes?
One seller listed a BIN for $0.99. Did he/she intend to sell it for $0.99? One seller listed a card for $75. Did he/she intend to sell it for $75? That's the difference for me and why I think the situations are different.
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Because he/she didn't know the going rate. In one case the seller never meant to sell it at that price and in the other he/she did.



One seller listed a BIN for $0.99. Did he/she intend to sell it for $0.99? One seller listed a card for $75. Did he/she intend to sell it for $75? That's the difference for me and why I think the situations are different.
No one knows they made a mistake until the outcome has happend. Thats how mistake unfoil.

Had the OP known the card sold easily for $200, do you honestly think he would have sold it for $75? No, hence why its a mistake.

Had the ebay seller double checked and did his homework properly, he would have never sold the $200 for 99cent.

If the glass is half empty to one or half full to the other, its the same.

What we do know is both had the intention of getting the most money for their items whether it was a BIN or an offer without know the information prior.

Do you honestly think the OP would have sold the card for $75 IF...if he knew he could get $200 for it?
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I have a feeling that we will just be arguing in circles, so I'll just agree to disagree. Like I said, I think the intentions of the sellers when listing the card for sale is important. One intended to get $75 for a card he didn't research and one intended to start an auction, not sell for the auction starting bid.
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I have a feeling that we will just be arguing in circles, so I'll just agree to disagree. Like I said, I think the intentions of the sellers when listing the card for sale is important. One intended to get $75 for a card he didn't research and one intended to start an auction, not sell for the auction starting bid.
Reading somebody's mind is quite a skill. I mean you got inside the sellers mind? I have to admit you got me beat
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