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Old 09-12-2013, 09:31 PM   #176 (permalink)
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Funny how this was uncovered from a simple "yes" answer on post #46 of this thread..... Such a crazy world we're living in. Good thing I asked on post #60 of this thread then, huh. Otherwise we would have never known.... Remember kids, ALWAYS ask questions in class! You're welcome!

Bottom line.... For ME, thanks to you, I will probably never buy a 90's Jambalaya card, ever! So this is a big deal for me. How can I ever be sure I have the real deal? So thank you!
A) You didn't really uncover anything as he wasn't hiding it. He didn't need to respond to your post and has since answered every question about it.

B) Don't you hate 90's inserts and think they are all shilled? Do you own any of the Jambalayas right now?
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You didn't really answer my question. If the card is cut correctly and is basically the same as a pack pulled, what is the difference?
Lol the brains of some people , point being the card was cut out by a stooge and a printer not the manufacturer simple how hard us it to comprehend .

You have a duty of disclosure simple, he does not disclose because he knows he wouldn't get 50% of his asking price .
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You didn't really answer my question. If the card is cut correctly and is basically the same as a pack pulled, what is the difference?
It's not from manufacture there for it is counterfeit
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#1. It is real
#2. Why am I held responsible for people's conceptions of Beckett?
It's not real only in your mind it is.

Was the card completed and pack inserted by the manufacturer? NO

So it is not real .

This is the issue in this unregulated Market..
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OP, what would you say about this then?

Buy the cheaper base version of this



Cut it the in the same process of the Jambalaya to turn it into one of these...???

The back on the regular card has a gold upper deck stamp, on the die cut its silver! There is a difference to each card and Beckett knows this!
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As a 90's MJ collector that buys these kind of cards I'm in 2 minds about this.
I have no issue with buying a card from an uncut sheet, how ever most of those kind of cards are already known to most serious collectors and the price for them are often a bit less than the normal pack pulled cards...

The thing that is different here is the Jambalaya is not known as ever being cut from uncut sheets, so the price for this card in a graded BGS 8.5 slab would likely be slightly more than it would be if the card was known to be from an uncut sheet...

The problem here is, it's all about the grading company that has no issue with grading the card! So that opens up a can of worms as to how many other times this has happened!

For people to say that the OP is a shady character for doing it, well he did what he did and disclosed it to anyone that asked including the grading company!

So the real onus is on the grading company that doesn't believe it necessary to disclose it than I feel these must be a bit more common than we might think!

At the end of the day I don't really have an issue with it and its not the same at all to buying uncut sheets of serial numbered cards then adding your own BS serial number to it! Now that is completely wrong!

The people that say its all wrong and full disclosure is necessary, well answer this!
Say you bought the card not knowing its history, then you wanted to sell later on, would then disclose the cards history knowing you MIGHT affect its selling value???

The answer is, it's a grey area and an argument can be made either way.

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The people that say its all wrong and full disclosure is necessary, well answer this!
Say you bought the card not knowing its history, then you wanted to sell later on, would then disclose the cards history knowing you MIGHT affect its selling value???

The answer is, it's a grey area and an argument can be made either way.
Yes, I would disclose the information if i was re selling it. As a seller Id want to keep loyalty and integrity with those who spend $$ with me.

I have done so in the past with damaged cards as well. I bought a bunch of exquisites and got stung with creases. Later I sold them, disclosing the degree of damage, taking a loss.
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Yes, I would disclose the information if i was re selling it. As a seller Id want to keep loyalty and integrity with those who spend $$ with me.

I have done so in the past with damaged cards as well. I bought a bunch of exquisites and got stung with creases. Later I sold them, disclosing the degree of damage, taking a loss.
Really? Your talking about condition on an ungraded card, so the onus is on you to disclose its condition(that's why I only buy graded)

In this case we are talking about a graded card! No matter how you might feel about the fact it came from an uncut sheet, the card is now graded!

I don't particularly like that the OP did this, but I believe the onus is now on the grading company.

I find it hard too believe too many people would disclose it after the card was on the secondary market.

It's a grey area.
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The problem here is, it's all about the grading company that has no issue with grading the card! So that opens up a can of worms as to how many other times this has happened!

For people to say that the OP is a shady character for doing it, well he did what he did and disclosed it to anyone that asked including the grading company!

So the real onus is on the grading company that doesn't believe it necessary to disclose it than I feel these must be a bit more common than we might think!

At the end of the day I don't really have an issue with it and its not the same at all to buying uncut sheets of serial numbered cards then adding your own BS serial number to it! Now that is completely wrong!

The people that say its all wrong and full disclosure is necessary, well answer this!
Say you bought the card not knowing its history, then you wanted to sell later on, would then disclose the cards history knowing you MIGHT affect its selling value???

The answer is, it's a grey area and an argument can be made either way.
I agree Beckett are a major fail and a curse on this hobby.

But I bought a Lebron Exquisite auto patch which I later discovered had (almost certainly) fake patches. I sold it later with full disclosure to someone who just wanted it because it had a legit Lebron signature on it. (he later lost all morals and onsold the tainted card) but I took a big loss on it.
Had it not been quite so much money I probably would have destroyed it.
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Lol the brains of some people , point being the card was cut out by a stooge and a printer not the manufacturer simple how hard us it to comprehend .
I've comprehended completely since the beginning.

Either one stooge cuts it or another stooge cuts it. If the both do the job correctly in my opinion I wouldn't care!
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As a 90's MJ collector that buys these kind of cards I'm in 2 minds about this.
I have no issue with buying a card from an uncut sheet, how ever most of those kind of cards are already known to most serious collectors and the price for them are often a bit less than the normal pack pulled cards...

The thing that is different here is the Jambalaya is not known as ever being cut from uncut sheets, so the price for this card in a graded BGS 8.5 slab would likely be slightly more than it would be if the card was known to be from an uncut sheet...

The problem here is, it's all about the grading company that has no issue with grading the card! So that opens up a can of worms as to how many other times this has happened!

For people to say that the OP is a shady character for doing it, well he did what he did and disclosed it to anyone that asked including the grading company!

So the real onus is on the grading company that doesn't believe it necessary to disclose it than I feel these must be a bit more common than we might think!

At the end of the day I don't really have an issue with it and its not the same at all to buying uncut sheets of serial numbered cards then adding your own BS serial number to it! Now that is completely wrong!

The people that say its all wrong and full disclosure is necessary, well answer this!
Say you bought the card not knowing its history, then you wanted to sell later on, would then disclose the cards history knowing you MIGHT affect its selling value???

The answer is, it's a grey area and an argument can be made either way.
Look at thread here:

Quicksale on MJ 97-98 Jambalaya!!!!

When he actually was selling a copy, and people asked about whether it being a sheetcut at post #6, he was NOT addressing it at all.

So he didn't disclose when people ask. And now seems he only disclosed it when it was sold and he was being asked about the sheetcut question then.

So by your logic, if a trimmer trims the card and openly admits he is doing so, (some actually demonstrates in front of crowds), and then submits it to grading company and somehow trimmed card gets graded as legit cards, then he has no fault, and it's all on grading company??!! And he doesn't need to disclose and it's a grey area? Really?

Also as a MJ collector, you have no issue of buying the sheetcut cards at just slightly lower than going rate of the legit ones?

Did you realize OP essentially just killed the 97-98 Jambalaya brand, the best unnumbered inserts of all time. Each and every one of those cards, unless graded before OP's practice (god knows when), is now questionable. And buyers will face serious risk of getting a sheetcut Jambalaya, graded or not. Serious and careful buyers will be very cautious and hesitant to buy at best, or completely stay away to avoid all the headaches.

All hope is not lost. I do have a way to verify a 97-98 Jambalaya card being not sheetcut, but it only works for certain situations and not in general. And I won't share openly here, so card doctors won't know. Any potential 97-98 Jambalaya buyers can contact me via PM.

Be careful with 90s cards more than ever, and do thorough examinations on clear photo/scan and even research before shelling out to buy.
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Look at thread here:

Quicksale on MJ 97-98 Jambalaya!!!!

When he actually was selling a copy, and people asked about whether it being a sheetcut at post #6, he was NOT addressing it at all.
Shady, shady, shady...

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I dont wanna read em all. But who is responsible for this 8pages long???? Lol
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Look at thread here:

Quicksale on MJ 97-98 Jambalaya!!!!

When he actually was selling a copy, and people asked about whether it being a sheetcut at post #6, he was NOT addressing it at all.

So he didn't disclose when people ask. And now seems he only disclosed it when it was sold and he was being asked about the sheetcut question then.

So by your logic, if a trimmer trims the card and openly admits he is doing so, (some actually demonstrates in front of crowds), and then submits it to grading company and somehow trimmed card gets graded as legit cards, then he has no fault, and it's all on grading company??!! And he doesn't need to disclose and it's a grey area? Really?

Also as a MJ collector, you have no issue of buying the sheetcut cards at just slightly lower than going rate of the legit ones?

Did you realize OP essentially just killed the 97-98 Jambalaya brand, the best unnumbered inserts of all time. Each and every one of those cards, unless graded before OP's practice (god knows when), is now questionable. And buyers will face serious risk of getting a sheetcut Jambalaya, graded or not. Serious and careful buyers will be very cautious and hesitant to buy at best, or completely stay away to avoid all the headaches.

All hope is not lost. I do have a way to verify a 97-98 Jambalaya card being not sheetcut, but it only works for certain situations and not in general. And I won't share openly here, so card doctors won't know. Any potential 97-98 Jambalaya buyers can contact me via PM.

Be careful with 90s cards more than ever, and do thorough examinations on clear photo/scan and even research before shelling out to buy.
I just had a look at the sale link, the card may of been sold before he was asked if it was from an uncut sheet, how ever as the card is now graded and was sent by Ken, now it seems the card didn't sell at the time and he MAY HAVE not answered at the time and lied about the sale!

Now if he was asked and did in fact not answer and create a false sake saying the card is sold to only save face get it graded and then sell it, that is different!

That is shady and should be addressed by the OP...
How ever that is a question and I'm not saying he needs to answer as I may have the wrong information...
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I dont wanna read em all. But who is responsible for this 8pages long???? Lol
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I dont wanna read em all. But who is responsible for this 8pages long???? Lol
Basically first 1/4 is about this MJ PMG /50 used to be cheap and shilling etc and valuation of it based on a badly shill joke of Jordan red and damaged surface PMG /50.

The rest is concerned with OP, sheetcut Jambalaya, and got it graded as legit, and then did not actively disclose in selling description. But OP openly admits in this thread that it's a sheet cut, and he spent $$ to ensure it was cut exactly like Fleer did it, so no difference to real one in his mind. And he tried to max out profits for his kids' education fund, so for good reason.

People discussesd about whether OP's practice is ethical, how to draw the line. It's basically lope-sided discussion, and almost everyone agrees that OP should disclose it. And several people including me think OP killed the Jambalaya brand. OP also engaged in responding various questions. Discussions have been civil so far, no name calling. Hopefully this thread stays, as future buyers really should see this.

Since it's the very first time card doctor steps forth to be had a conversation with. It's kind of unique and insightful to see what the hobby has become.
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I just had a look at the sale link, the card may of been sold before he was asked if it was from an uncut sheet, how ever as the card is now graded and was sent by Ken, now it seems the card didn't sell at the time and he MAY HAVE not answered at the time and lied about the sale!

Now if he was asked and did in fact not answer and create a false sake saying the card is sold to only save face get it graded and then sell it, that is different!

That is shady and should be addressed by the OP...
How ever that is a question and I'm not saying he needs to answer as I may have the wrong information...
Could very well be the case. The card was magically sold within two hours of asking the million dollar question. And OP asked the thread to be closed. How many Jambalaya did OP sheetcut, and when was it done?
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Did you realize OP essentially just killed the 97-98 Jambalaya brand, the best unnumbered inserts of all time. Each and every one of those cards, unless graded before OP's practice (god knows when), is now questionable. And buyers will face serious risk of getting a sheetcut Jambalaya, graded or not. Serious and careful buyers will be very cautious and hesitant to buy at best, or completely stay away to avoid all the headaches.
This is the saddest part about the whole thing. And Ken will no doubt just disappear from here and continue on his merry way.
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Basically first 1/4 is about this MJ PMG /50 used to be cheap and shilling etc and valuation of it based on a badly shill joke of Jordan red and damaged surface PMG /50.

The rest is concerned with OP, sheetcut Jambalaya, and got it graded as legit, and then did not actively disclose in selling description. But OP openly admits in this thread that it's a sheet cut, and he spent $$ to ensure it was cut exactly like Fleer did it, so no difference to real one in his mind. And he tried to max out profits for his kids' education fund, so for good reason.

People discussesd about whether OP's practice is ethical, how to draw the line. It's basically lope-sided discussion, and almost everyone agrees that OP should disclose it. And several people including me think OP killed the Jambalaya brand. OP also engaged in responding various questions. Discussions have been civil so far, no name calling. Hopefully this thread stays, as future buyers really should see this.

Since it's the very first time card doctor steps forth to be had a conversation with. It's kind of unique and insightful to see what the hobby has become.
This is pretty bad. So those exq number pieces uncut sheet is the next one?. Tsk tsk. Uncut is uncut i wouldnt even dare cut them card proportional and later sell them as is. Props to him for being honest, but this cannot be sell at anyway possible as the real deal. This is so wronng
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He must have quite a bit of uncut sheets looking at his completed. I thought he was a trust worthy guy and a straight shooter but thats far from the truth.
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He must have quite a bit of uncut sheets looking at his completed. I thought he was a trust worthy guy and a straight shooter but thats far from the truth.
They're all straight shooters.... Until they're trapped into telling the truth, caught red handed, or they "tell the truth" thinking nothing will come of it. They're too used to pulling this type of stuff that they thinking they can keep going, and that no one will look into it.

Check out post #46 of this thread! How casual he tried to make his respond, and how sneaky he was. He didn't quote the question and just answered "yes" smh

He probably thought no one would noticed and question it further.... That is of course until post #60 of this thread! I spotted that from 50 miles away.....

So yeah, many people seem like straight shooters until they're catch, ONE WAY OF THE OTHER!

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Look at thread here:

Quicksale on MJ 97-98 Jambalaya!!!!

When he actually was selling a copy, and people asked about whether it being a sheetcut at post #6, he was NOT addressing it at all.

So he didn't disclose when people ask. And now seems he only disclosed it when it was sold and he was being asked about the sheetcut question then.

So by your logic, if a trimmer trims the card and openly admits he is doing so, (some actually demonstrates in front of crowds), and then submits it to grading company and somehow trimmed card gets graded as legit cards, then he has no fault, and it's all on grading company??!! And he doesn't need to disclose and it's a grey area? Really?

Also as a MJ collector, you have no issue of buying the sheetcut cards at just slightly lower than going rate of the legit ones?

Did you realize OP essentially just killed the 97-98 Jambalaya brand, the best unnumbered inserts of all time. Each and every one of those cards, unless graded before OP's practice (god knows when), is now questionable. And buyers will face serious risk of getting a sheetcut Jambalaya, graded or not. Serious and careful buyers will be very cautious and hesitant to buy at best, or completely stay away to avoid all the headaches.

All hope is not lost. I do have a way to verify a 97-98 Jambalaya card being not sheetcut, but it only works for certain situations and not in general. And I won't share openly here, so card doctors won't know. Any potential 97-98 Jambalaya buyers can contact me via PM.

Be careful with 90s cards more than ever, and do thorough examinations on clear photo/scan and even research before shelling out to buy.
Very well said I wouldn't even urinate on the MJ insert market to manipulated .
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Very well said I wouldn't even urinate on the MJ insert market to manipulated .
Well why don't you and Mr SMH get a room and leave us in the market out of your thoughts
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Well why don't you and Mr SMH get a room and leave us in the market out of your thoughts
If Mr SMH hadn't have brought this up you would still be in the dark on the issue

OP - your low-life selling tactics are a disgrace to this hobby
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If Mr SMH hadn't have brought this up you would still be in the dark on the issue

OP - your low-life selling tactics are a disgrace to this hobby
Sure he did make it known, but his tactics and the way in which he treats people and the MJ market as a whole is not justified at all...

Also, I would have no issue buying the card with its known history and I know plenty of people that would also have no issue...

But, the question still remains, did the OP intentionally not answer the question in his sale thread?
Only to get it graded and try and sell it that way???

After we get that answer I may have to side with Gio on this one(that's a first)
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