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Old 04-03-2014, 10:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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so, i'm reaching out to you guys to see what should be the appropriate course of action to be taken regarding a transaction that occured between a good buddy of mine and another member of this forum. my buddy doesn't post much here, but has been a member on here longer than i have, and has done quite a few high-end purchases from several members, w/o any issues at all until 5 days ago.

i will leave all parties' user IDs anonymous until my buddy decides what to do.

in a nutshell, this is what happened:

day 1. my buddy sees a card listed for sale. contacts the BO member through PM and inquires about the card. he is told by the BO member that the card is owned 1/2 by him, and 1/2 by his buddy who just acquired the card through a live break. my buddy and the BO member agree on a price on the card and the BO member says he has to consult his partner to finalize the deal.

day 2. my buddy gets a PM from the BO member stating that the deal is done. and he would have to do a split payment to him, and his buddy for equal amounts. no problem. my buddy pays both parties immediately. the BO member PM's my buddy and tells him that he would send tracking when he got it.

day 3. nothing.

day 4. the partner refunds his 1/2 of the payment back to my buddy, and then lists the card on ebay that evening. my buddy messages the BO member and the BO member says he's gonna find out what's going on and get back to my buddy.

day 5. the card is sold on ebay in the morning. it was at this time that my buddy emails the parter directly and asks what the heck is going on. he informed my buddy that the original selling price was too low in his opinion and he never wanted to sell it for that price. has asked to please understand, and not to be mad at him or his partner. later that day, the partner also refunded the BO member's 1/2 of the payment as well. the BO member has not responded to any PM's since this has happened.

I can tell you , 100%, that the deal made on Blowout was for $550 ($275 X 2), and the card was sold on ebay for $800.

What I don't understand is if the partner received a $275 payment with a description of what the payment is for exactly, why would he claim to know nothing about the deal? Why did it take 2.5 days for him to refund the money , and also the fact that the card was listed on EBAY and sold, and then my buddy's refund was processed. What should be done to the BO member that facilitated this sale? Also, I'm hoping that we can find out if his partner is a member of this forum as well......


let me know what you guys think.

adding the 2 guys' user IDs here for easier , future reference:
BO member: ljmaya
Ebay user: ordca3, and his breaker's ID is phillymancave
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Hmmm this is very interesting. My take is the BO member didn't know exactly what the card would bring in via auction so they hedged their bets by selling here without ebay fees for $500 and waited to see what offer they would receive on ebay. Once the card sold for $300 more, they decided that the profit was better from the ebay sale and decided to refund then. This is just my opinion on it though so do not take my word on it.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:48 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Negative feedback should be left for the BO member. No question.
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Old 04-03-2014, 10:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Negative feedback should be left for the BO member. No question.
What he said, and that should be the end of this issue other than outing the idiot.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:18 AM   #5 (permalink)
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First neg should be left,then contact mods,then have a call out thread.
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:30 AM   #6 (permalink)
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you have to neg him because he agreed to the deal
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Way too may buddies involved.

Seller took the cash and then sold the card for more on Ebay. Once payment was received and then refunded I would have no issue banning the member who did this.

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Old 04-03-2014, 11:41 AM   #8 (permalink)
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May have figured that the Neg would be worth the extra $250, OR, if everything works as normal here, that screwed member wouldn't have the backbone to leave a Neg. I'm guessing I'll be wrong on the latter
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Old 04-03-2014, 11:53 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Who are these buddies???
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:01 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I say your buddy should "Suck it up" and move on. But dont forget to leave the neg!
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Leave a neg and it is very likely that both are members here. You should also give us the eBay info and the BO members name so we can block them.
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:06 PM   #12 (permalink)
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You cannot let someone get away with that, especially if they are actively dealing on this site.

Out with their names! Or just leave negative and we'll figure it all out
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Agree w/ Christillman. The DB's basically had money in hand and waited out to see if they'd get more w/ eBay, which they did. They had their "out" by having the second guy say he never agreed, didn't know, etc. They're just not honorable and no other member should have to deal with them. Post all their info so everyone knows to block them and leave the neg.
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:19 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Leave a neg and it is very likely that both are members here. You should also give us the eBay info and the BO members name so we can block them.
i had my buddy look over the explanation, and it is to his satisfaction that everything stated is pretty much what transpired in the correct order.

now that we got that handled, here is the info for the 2 guys that pulled this crap:

the BO member is ljmaya. his partner's ebay user id is ordca3, and his youtube user name is phillymancave.

any info on ordca3 / phillymancave would be greatly appreciated.

i'm hoping that Houidi or iluvfish2 will see this thread and ban these 2 numbnutz.
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:33 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I've seen to many times members get into group breaks and try to sell their hits before having them in hand.

Thanks for posting the guilty culprits.
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So I can't find where the card was listed for sale but I found this....

So no shields for the NT RPA's this year?
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And if you want iluvfish2 or houdini or any other mod to see this you have to PM them link and any info. Or your friend has to.
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So I can't find where the card was listed for sale but I found this....

So no shields for the NT RPA's this year?
that's definitely the card in question. thanks! and i've already notified houdini and iluvfish2 to this thread.
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yeah they probably thought the neg was worth an extra 300 bucks.


hopefully you saved all of your PMs, forward them to the mods.
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Old 04-03-2014, 12:58 PM   #20 (permalink)
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here is the link to the completed ebay listing:

2013 Panini National Treasures Matt Barkley SP Red NFL Logo Shield RPA 1 1 Auto | eBay


and it was brought to my attention by another friend of mine that these 2 numbnutz tried razzing the card off as well, even after my buddy had already paid the both of them.
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phillymancave is all over breakerstv all day everyday for the most part as well as ljmaya. Bunch of times in the same casters rooms.
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They also tried Razzing the card in RNG"s room the other night. Seems like they were doing it after your buddy had already bought it.
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If they were razzing a card after it was paid for, thats theft.
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I know ljmaya has been banned from a couple channels on breakers.tv for not paying his part in a share, so know he does a lot of shared breaks. Both of them are all over breakers if you need them.

Sucks, deserves a negative if not more, especially if they were actively selling it during all of this.
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