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Old 11-14-2011, 07:18 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I wasn't talking about on the same show. Look back through MMA history, there are tons of fights worse than JDS/Cain. Look at Shamrock/Gracie from UFC 5, or one of the Shamrock/Severn fights. There were a lot of undercard fights in PRIDE that sucked, too. To call that fight the worst ever is just ridiculous.
I agree , you mis-quoted me........
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Old 11-15-2011, 05:35 PM   #27 (permalink)
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calm down everyone. it's just one fight. the only one that really "lost" money on this was the ufc as they could have obviously made a ton more if this was a pay per view event. obviously, they just wanted to kick things off. the ufc's era with fox hasn't even officially begun yet.

also, what is you people's dislike for joe rogan? rogan's a smart dude that knows what he's talking about and knows how to get his message across. you never know what you have until it's missing and that was never more evident when i had to listen to kenny florian filling in for rogan.
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calm down everyone. it's just one fight. the only one that really "lost" money on this was the ufc as they could have obviously made a ton more if this was a pay per view event. obviously, they just wanted to kick things off. the ufc's era with fox hasn't even officially begun yet.

also, what is you people's dislike for joe rogan? rogan's a smart dude that knows what he's talking about and knows how to get his message across. you never know what you have until it's missing and that was never more evident when i had to listen to kenny florian filling in for rogan.
the UFC is making more off Fox than they would PPV most likely
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:11 PM   #29 (permalink)
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the UFC is making more off Fox than they would PPV most likely
not for this event they didn't. they made barely enough to pay the fighters for this event.
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not for this event they didn't. they made barely enough to pay the fighters for this event.
The live gate was 1.1 million and that's just ticket sales. That doesnt count merchandise, advertising.

Cain and Dos Santos make around 200k each.
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I don't think this particular event was as much about making money as it was about trying to gain a bigger audience and continuing to build the UFC. FOX is more mainstream than FX, has more viewers, and has a huge NFL audience that the UFC is going to gain by the exposure. Sure the fight wasn't as exciting for some and didn't make it to the second round, but think about all of the new fans that tuned in that have probably never watched an event let alone shelled out $45 bucks for a pay per view because they probably have never even heard of most of the fighters. Just having Brock up there talking about his fight with Overeem is going to build up even more hype because while he is relatively new to the sport many people know his name from the WWE.
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The live gate was 1.1 million and that's just ticket sales. That doesnt count merchandise, advertising.

Cain and Dos Santos make around 200k each.

There were 18 other fighters on the card you are obviously forgetting about, plus fighter bonuses, all the UFC staff, referees, officials, judges, cost to rent the venue, the workers that put up and take apart the octagon/lighting/electronics/sound. You must have forgotten all those costs as well. The UFC has a blanket deal with fox for the next "X" amount of years. They don't get paid per fight, and it is unknown (although highly doubted) that they receive any of the massive revenue Fox made on advertising. Fox will come ahead on the money side of things every event they have on their networks, but the trade off for the UFC is getting shown in homes that would never watch their events otherwise.

This turned out to be the highest rated MMA event in history, so anyone who thinks Dana or the UFC isn't happy with the results doesn't know what they are talking about. They peaked with 8.8M viewers during the fight, about 2.5M more viewers than when EliteXC was on CBS with the huge name of Kimbo Slice drawing in an audience.
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There were 18 other fighters on the card you are obviously forgetting about, plus fighter bonuses, all the UFC staff, referees, officials, judges, cost to rent the venue, the workers that put up and take apart the octagon/lighting/electronics/sound. You must have forgotten all those costs as well. The UFC has a blanket deal with fox for the next "X" amount of years. They don't get paid per fight, and it is unknown (although highly doubted) that they receive any of the massive revenue Fox made on advertising. Fox will come ahead on the money side of things every event they have on their networks, but the trade off for the UFC is getting shown in homes that would never watch their events otherwise.

This turned out to be the highest rated MMA event in history, so anyone who thinks Dana or the UFC isn't happy with the results doesn't know what they are talking about. They peaked with 8.8M viewers during the fight, about 2.5M more viewers than when EliteXC was on CBS with the huge name of Kimbo Slice drawing in an audience.
The payroll for fighters was 666,000 leaving roughing 450-500k left from ticket sales alone to go towards other expenses
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The argument isn't about them making money or losing money, the argument is about 1) Fox making more money than the UFC, which they did and 2) the UFC being "angry" with the results of the fight. The peaked at 9 million viewers they are saying now. Over THREE MILLION more viewers than any other MMA event in history. Do you know how much money those viewers are worth to the UFC in the long run? Even if they get a purchase rate of 1:1000 viewers it is HUGE money for them. How much do you think it takes to rent out an arena? How much does it cost to pay all the workers of that arena, and all the workers of the UFC? To freight all the equipment there and back. There are so many expenses you are not thinking of. There are also TONS of "locker room bonuses" handed out as well that are not disclosed. They gave out over $250k alone is KO, Sub, and fight of the night bonuses (65k Each x4), and those are not included in the $660k figure you brought up. So now you are over $800k in just paying the fighters, and i'm sure there are other bonuses that are not spoken about publicly for good fights.

Money wise, this broadcast wasn't a huge success for the UFC. It was about getting their name out there to new viewers and in that sense it was a HUGE success. They still did ok, but not that great compared to PPV events. Those new viewers are the unaccounted for future profit though.

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well since the UFC is in trouble with union workers probably not much lol
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