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Last edited by Tim : 01-26-2008 at 10:17 AM. |
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No, but a factory sealed hobby box of Legendary Cuts from a case that already had the 1 cut auto pulled from it (the year that this product only had 1 cut auto per case) constitutes a "searched" box. As for the Heroes, you're right, there are no case hits. There are also no concrete set results from any given case. However, there are averages. So, if there are no guarantees from Heroes, why then would a seller WANT to sell the remaining 4 boxes from their case after pulling 2 autos and 2 sketch cards? If the seller truly believes that all things are random and that there are no guarantees per case, wouldn't the seller WANT to bust the remaining boxes? You and I both know WHY the seller wants to sell the remaining 4 boxes. If we both know WHY the seller wants to sell the remaining 4 boxes, why isn't it "wrong" for selling these boxes to someone who believes that there exists an equal chance of pulling any said hit if they had purchased this box from a sealed case? Lawrence |
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I don't know many people here that will knowingly go into a case of Legendary Cuts trying to bust it for money. So, if a seller decides to go into a case of Legendary Cuts, pulls the cut auto in the 3rd box, but realizes from the other 2 boxes that those boxes suck, it's okay for them to dump the remaining boxes on other people without disclosing that these are dead boxes? As for the buyer being "morally disturbed", why should they be? The seller is the one willing to allow the boxes to go for that price. Heck, for the seller, they're making out better selling dead boxes to unsuspecting customers than if they had actually BUSTED the boxes so where does the morality come in place? If a buyer went to a card shop and found out that their card shop was selling dead boxes, even money says that buyer would stop going to said card shop. They are paying the higher prices for the "belief" that the pull still exists. As for eBay, who doesn't look for a bargain in terms of pricing? But no one ever goes on eBay looking to be defrauded. Lastly, I find it disingenuous that you would state that you don't want to "go there" in terms of a debate when you fired the first shot (calling those who believe that this is wrong "sanctimonious"), taking a shot at what I do at the BMB and THEN continuing to make points. Lawrence |
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If you say no, then your arguments are invalid. If you say yes, you are a better person than me, and if people are honest than most everyone else in the world. |
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What we are talking about is the SELLER double dipping or taken advantage of not only GETTING the hit, but then also SELLING the dead boxes. I have no problems with card shop owners selling the the other 11 boxes to customers if their CUSTOMER pulled the cut auto from the 1st box. As a buyer, I know that there exists the risk that other customers before me could have bought boxes from the case or box (if I'm buying packs) and that they could have been lucky. I also expect the OWNER to continue selling the boxes (with or without said knowledge) because you cannot punish the OWNER for the CUSTOMER'S good luck. What we are talking about is the OWNER busting the first box, pulling the cut auto and THEN selling the dead boxes to the CUSTOMERS. Thus, it is the OWNER who has BOTH the Cut Auto AND the revenue from the dead boxes. To me, this is dishonest. It is the OWNER'S INTENT that I am looking here. The first example, the OWNER was honest, played by the rules, CUSTOMER got lucky so why punish the OWNER? The second example, the OWNER was dishonest, cherry picked the case to get the good card and it is the CUSTOMER that is being punished. If you can't see the difference in these situations, then you're right, we shouldn't go there. Lawrence |
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I think this is a good debate. I wanted to let everyone know that I did bust the remaining 6 boxes and here's what I pulled:
3rd box...sketch card of the bald black guy, (sorry I don't know names) 4th box...sketch card of same bald black guy with arm around the neck of the actress from Final Destination 5th box...Isaac Mendez costume 6th box...Matt Parkman costume 7th box...Claire Bennet costume (white) 8th box...Masi Oka AUTO! Couldn't believe I pulled 3 autos in that one case. I couldn't resist from opening the 2nd case. My theory was that I think these case prices will continue to go down, so I will pick up another one or two later on to keep sealed. I will post my pulls next. Last edited by mwheeler27 : 01-26-2008 at 12:46 PM. |
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1st box...Matt Parkman costume
2nd box...Hiro Nakamura costume 3rd box...Isaac Mendez costume (lots of "paint" on this piece of cloth) 4th box...Red, white and blue colored sketch of the political figure guy 5th box...Cute cheerleader sketch 6th box...Claire Bennet costume (red) 7th box...Masi Oka Auto 8th box...Black with blue background sketch of possibly the political figure guy's brother. LOL Sorry again that I don't know their names. Over all, I think I did okay. I'm happy with the breaks. Can't wait to finish my break of Marvel Masterpieces now. I really like the sketch cards I have pulled so far. |
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His buyer will have almost no chance at pulling an autograph which is the toughest hit in the case (on average), however, the buyer doesn't know this. The seller has taken the chance from him, but is still SELLING the chance. This is my problem. Sellers are still selling the CHANCE to pull THE "hit" when the chance is virtually non-existant. Here's an example. You go to a carnival and there's a game where there are 5 boxes. The game is simple. 4 of the boxes are empty. 1 box wins the "prize". You choose a box. It's empty. You figure, oh well, I had a 20% at winning anyways. How would you feel if you found out later that all 5 boxes were empty? Lawrence |
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4th box...sketch card of same bald black guy with arm around the neck of the actress from Final Destination - D.L. Hawkins / Niki Sanders Lawrence |
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