My 2 cases of Heroes arrived today and...

[anythingu]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BAMBAM
You are BOTH right and bring up valid points but I think the only the whole right/wrong issue really depends on how far the seller is willing to go to sell the boxes.

Your 2 points were with fleabay sellers and store owners so we'll use those and a case of Legendary Cuts :

1.) Fleabay seller - if the seller opened boxes from a sealed case, pulled the cut and then listed the other using a chance at a cut auto as a selling point than I believe that is wrong. If someone emails aquestion asking if all the boxes are from the same case and if the cut was pulled I believe the seller is obligated to answer truthfully wether it costs him a sale or not. I believe the buyer may pass on those boxes BUT have alot of respect for your honesty and buy from you later.

2.) Store owner - shop owners sell a box out of a fresh case. Customer pulls the cut right in front of the owner. Is the owner supposed to advertise that the cut was pulled on the other boxes ? Hell no but is he obligated to tell a potential customer that the cut was pulled if they ask ? Hell yeah !


I agree 100% with every word of this post. Bam -- if you were in fleabay seller 1's shoes, would you purposely put in your listing that the cut was pulled?

WTF Tim. You agree with every word of Bam's post? Did you even read it? "Fleabay seller - if the seller opened boxes from a sealed case, pulled the cut and then listed the other using a chance at a cut auto as a selling point than I believe that is wrong."

This is the point I have been trying to make TO you this whole time. You've called me "sanctimonius" and trying to "impose my will on others", but BAM is saying the EXACT SAME THING I am and you agree with 100% with every word?

Lawrence

[Tim]

Originally Posted by anythingu

And you call ME "sanctimonius"?

You contradicted yourself.

First you state, you don't cherry pick your cases. Then you follow that up by saying that if you were in the OP's shoes that you would sell the boxes from a cherry picked case.

Which is it?


Lawrence

It's both. Why can't you see that? That is my main argument with you. You want others to do what YOU say they should do. I think it's the other person's right to do what they want. Simple as that.

Originally Posted by anythingu

As for this, "My 99.8% with over 11,000 positive feedbacks and NUMEROUS big pulls in the comments all speaks for itself." Well duh, if you don't sell cherry picked boxes, of COURSE you're going to have NUMEROUS big pulls in your comments.

Shaking head.

Lawrence

I would expect you to shake your head. That's what judgmental people do when they disagree with others' actions.

[Tim]

Originally Posted by anythingu

Quote:
Originally Posted by BAMBAM
You are BOTH right and bring up valid points but I think the only the whole right/wrong issue really depends on how far the seller is willing to go to sell the boxes.

Your 2 points were with fleabay sellers and store owners so we'll use those and a case of Legendary Cuts :

1.) Fleabay seller - if the seller opened boxes from a sealed case, pulled the cut and then listed the other using a chance at a cut auto as a selling point than I believe that is wrong. If someone emails aquestion asking if all the boxes are from the same case and if the cut was pulled I believe the seller is obligated to answer truthfully wether it costs him a sale or not. I believe the buyer may pass on those boxes BUT have alot of respect for your honesty and buy from you later.

2.) Store owner - shop owners sell a box out of a fresh case. Customer pulls the cut right in front of the owner. Is the owner supposed to advertise that the cut was pulled on the other boxes ? Hell no but is he obligated to tell a potential customer that the cut was pulled if they ask ? Hell yeah !


I agree 100% with every word of this post. Bam -- if you were in fleabay seller 1's shoes, would you purposely put in your listing that the cut was pulled?

WTF Tim. You agree with every word of Bam's post? Did you even read it? "Fleabay seller - if the seller opened boxes from a sealed case, pulled the cut and then listed the other using a chance at a cut auto as a selling point than I believe that is wrong."

This is the point I have been trying to make TO you this whole time. You've called me "sanctimonius" and trying to "impose my will on others", but BAM is saying the EXACT SAME THING I am and you agree with 100% with every word?

Lawrence

No no no! He is NOT saying the same thing! You are saying that in the ad you should very clearly state that the cut was pulled. Right? Didn't you say that? Isn't that what you want??? Bam is saying that-- if asked -- the seller should respond honestly. I agree with that totally. I do NOT think it is the seller's obligation to state in the auction that the cut was pulled. THAT is the difference.

[anythingu]

Originally Posted by Tim

No no no! He is NOT saying the same thing! You are saying that in the ad you should very clearly state that the cut was pulled. Right? Didn't you say that? Isn't that what you want??? Bam is saying that-- if asked -- the seller should respond honestly. I agree with that totally. I do NOT think it is the seller's obligation to state in the auction that the cut was pulled. THAT is the difference.

BAM - "1.) Fleabay seller - if the seller opened boxes from a sealed case, pulled the cut and then listed the other using a chance at a cut auto as a selling point than I believe that is wrong."

TIM - I agree.

LAWRENCE - If a seller opens boxes from a sealed case, pulled the cut and then listed the others using a chance at a cut auto as a selling point, then I believe that is wrong. In order to be honest (or right), they should list that the cut auto was pulled because they're still selling the "chance" in their auction.

TIM - I disagree.

You agree that listing the box for sale while advertising the chance at the cut auto is WRONG, but by stating that in order to be RIGHT the seller should state that the cut auto has been pulled, then you get on your pedastal?

How does that make sense? If it's wrong to list a dead box, then how do you make the listing right?

Lawrence

[anythingu]

Originally Posted by Tim

No no no! He is NOT saying the same thing! You are saying that in the ad you should very clearly state that the cut was pulled. Right? Didn't you say that? Isn't that what you want??? Bam is saying that-- if asked -- the seller should respond honestly. I agree with that totally. I do NOT think it is the seller's obligation to state in the auction that the cut was pulled. THAT is the difference.

Here's another take on your post.

By me stating that the seller should state in auction that the cut was pulled, I'm trying to impose my will on someone else and that makes me sanctimonius.

However, you feel that a seller has a obligation to respond honestly if asked. Aren't you doing the exact same thing? Aren't you imposing your will on this seller? Aren't you judging the seller if the seller LIES to the buyer who asks? Doesn't this make YOU sanctimonius?

I still don't understand why you feel the seller has an obligation to be honest to a seller who asks, but can lie to all those who don't.

Lawrence

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Looks like an adult discussion with differing view points to me

[Tim]

Originally Posted by anythingu

Here's another take on your post.



I still don't understand why you feel the seller has an obligation to be honest to a seller who asks, but can lie to all those who don't.

Lawrence

I know you don't, and that is why I am done wasting my time trying to get you to understand. I am now done with this thread, b/c there is nothing more that can be said to further the discussion.

[anythingu]

Originally Posted by Tim

I know you don't, and that is why I am done wasting my time trying to get you to understand. I am now done with this thread, b/c there is nothing more that can be said to further the discussion.

Never mind. I'll quit wasting MY time as well since you're not going to answer any of my questions.

Lawrence