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Old 03-22-2017, 04:17 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Yes, be careful of the digital mockups.
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Old 03-22-2017, 04:41 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I assume Topps scanned her signature from her autograph contract to use for their mockups
That's where they would get the facsimile signatures on their Bowman products from, so it's probably a practice they still employ.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:12 PM   #53 (permalink)
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I did wonder about those autos ... the pictures just don't look "right" somehow.

At least if they are mock-ups, they're not trying to hide them being sticker autos.
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Old 03-22-2017, 06:42 PM   #54 (permalink)
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Maybe next time they'll just start printing these autographs from their digital files lol. "Authentic super realistic manufactured autographs!!"
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Old 03-23-2017, 11:18 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Believe it or not, they did that for the Card Trader App Cards.
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:44 PM   #56 (permalink)
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The more Daisy autos the better!

While I'm sure those who own her auto(s) would prefer her value stays high, don't forget these will likely be stickers coming up, I doubt they can continue on-card autos for one of the biggest current names, though I wish it was on-card for all.

I'd love nothing more than to pull a Hamill at Tim Rose levels of quantity or have a reasonable shot at Ford or Ridley.
Quoted for truth. I'm not after a Hamill or a Ford because they're super rare.
I'm after them because they're LUKE SKYWALKER and HAN SOLO. If a set happened where Hamill signed one per case? I'd be glowing. If Han wasn't the longest shot in the book? I'd be glowing even more. I'm in this for the hunt- if I wanted nearly impossible odds, I'd be a habitual gambler, not a card collector.
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Old 03-23-2017, 12:47 PM   #57 (permalink)
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Quoted for truth. I'm not after a Hamill or a Ford because they're super rare.
I'm after them because they're LUKE SKYWALKER and HAN SOLO. If a set happened where Hamill signed one per case? I'd be glowing. If Han wasn't the longest shot in the book? I'd be glowing even more. I'm in this for the hunt- if I wanted nearly impossible odds, I'd be a habitual gambler, not a card collector.

Couldn't agree more! The casino would be a better bet for the gambling mentality. I miss the days when Trading cards were more about collecting and less about winning a golden ticket and then going broke finding it.
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I miss the days when Trading cards were more about collecting and less about winning a golden ticket and then going broke finding it.
What's stopping you from just collecting? There are plenty of cards that can just be collected. If upset that there are items out of your reach or are unobtainable, that is just a harsh reality of collecting anything unfortunately.
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:12 PM   #59 (permalink)
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if you really only are after the big name autos, cheaper to buy singles..simple as that.
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if you really only are after the big name autos, cheaper to buy singles..simple as that.
+1. I'm a collector, but also love the chase and do cheap cases (for the most part). Also helps I get direct prices.
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Old 03-26-2017, 06:13 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Exciting!! Definitely looking forward to this set
I loved JttFA and TFA sets, this will be nice to add to the collection
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Old 05-10-2017, 12:25 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Journey to The Force Awakens was 1,347 cases based on pack odds.

For this they have added in 50 more Hoth Ice type parallels by increasing it from 150 to 199 for that tier. The other parallels stay the same. Assuming one White/Ice #199 per box similar to last time with the base set at 110 cards, then the rough case run would be 1,824 with the increased parallels. Seems potentially very high to me, although maybe it's to do with product now appearing in the Topps European outlet.
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Journey to The Force Awakens was 1,347 cases based on pack odds.

For this they have added in 50 more Hoth Ice type parallels by increasing it from 150 to 199 for that tier. The other parallels stay the same. Assuming one White/Ice #199 per box similar to last time with the base set at 110 cards, then the rough case run would be 1,824 with the increased parallels. Seems potentially very high to me, although maybe it's to do with product now appearing in the Topps European outlet.
I've gotta believe the extra parallels are helping to push retail and Europe. This is another product with one guaranteed autograph per box, so your estimate would put this close to 22,000 autographs. Where would Topps get that many from for one release? I'm thinking we'll see similar to Topps 40th with respectable hobby production but a large run on retail. I'm seeing more Star Wars cards than ever before in places like Target and Walmart so there is definitely an increased retail presence since SW became mainstream again.
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I've gotta believe the extra parallels are helping to push retail and Europe. This is another product with one guaranteed autograph per box, so your estimate would put this close to 22,000 autographs. Where would Topps get that many from for one release? I'm thinking we'll see similar to Topps 40th with respectable hobby production but a large run on retail. I'm seeing more Star Wars cards than ever before in places like Target and Walmart so there is definitely an increased retail presence since SW became mainstream again.
I was going by parallels for hobby only.
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You can never project production runs by the parallels because there are too many factors.
In some products Topps puts a lot of them in retail like 40th, while some products yield a ton of parallels per box/case like R1 S2.
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Old 05-10-2017, 01:28 PM   #66 (permalink)
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I would normally agree, but all I am saying is that the last Journey product had 1,347 cases, and it's almost the same breakdown for hobby this time, apart from the fact they have increased hobby only white parallels by 25%. This for me is evidence of yet another big run. I hope I am wrong.

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JTTFA had a crazy high retail presence with 4 different retailers having an exclusive insert set. I would expect this release to be the same. This helps keep Hobby numbers at bay a bit. But yes, way too early to try to calculate production with no odds or info for months to come.
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JTTFA had a crazy high retail presence with 4 different retailers having an exclusive insert set. I would expect this release to be the same. This helps keep Hobby numbers at bay a bit. But yes, way too early to try to calculate production with no odds or info for months to come.
I'm guessing slightly more cases due to higher parallel counts.

But don't forget that the more retail, especially when early or having an exclusive incentive to buy it, gets opened and base and insert sets are completed that takes away from the resale value in your cases for base sets.

Parallels and such will still be there which retail won't have, but it will flood the market a bit.

40th had a good amount of sketches and big hits in retail, more than I recall for similar retail sets. I've seen 2 auto plates pulled already and a fair amount of sketches.

I'm really curious how they're going to set this base set and inserts sets without rehashing too much of JTTFA. Plus the heroes and villains template used from JTTFA thru R1S2 is stale now.

They need to get some new signers on board as well. We are all done with pulling Teedo and Bobbajo
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I was told by my distributers they had low preorders for this set.
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I was told by my distributers they had low preorders for this set.
The problem now is that this means nothing, as does print to order too. We saw with 40th what turned out to be relatively low preorders in the US. They just dropped a load of hobby cases in to the European outlet instead. If this is the new model, I might well be out, as there is next to no chance of an unexpectedly low production product anymore.

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The problem now is that this means nothing, as does print to order too. We saw with 40th what turned out to be relatively low preorders in the US. They just dropped a load of hobby cases in to the European outlet instead. If this is the new model, I might well be out, as there is next to no chance of an unexpectedly low production product anymore.
SW 40th was not high because of the European distribution. Total hobby production was 9,864 total boxes, of which some of that was shipped overseas.

This part was actually a good thing Topps did.

Now if you want to complain about the buyback hits sucking or that the hard to hit Film Cell or Medallions in hobby can easily be pulled from Retail blasters, then that is legitimate.
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SW 40th was not high because of the European distribution. Total hobby production was 9,864 total boxes, of which some of that was shipped overseas.

This part was actually a good thing Topps did.

Now if you want to complain about the buyback hits sucking or that the hard to hit Film Cell or Medallions in hobby can easily be pulled from Retail blasters, then that is legitimate.
Well that's even worse when the production run wasn't super high and case breaks are still brutal haha.

I admit I have no idea how many major distributors are out there or how all the supply chains work, but isn't Topps cutting out sites like BO by selling internationally direct? Aside from a box limit thru Topps Direct preventing case orders, doesn't this hurt these sites?

It's also more confusing how Topps can ship full hobby boxes for like $1, yet an on demand set thru Topps.com is like $40 for them.
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SW 40th was not high because of the European distribution. Total hobby production was 9,864 total boxes, of which some of that was shipped overseas.

This part was actually a good thing Topps did.

Now if you want to complain about the buyback hits sucking or that the hard to hit Film Cell or Medallions in hobby can easily be pulled from Retail blasters, then that is legitimate.
I disagree with this. It was higher because of this, no question.

I am guessing, at least 2-3 hundred cases higher than if it had been US print to order as we thought.

I should probably say am not complaining specifically on the odd product getting this treatment once a year, but if it's every release, then print to order will start to mean nothing, nor will distributors saying its low orders etc. Hope this makes sense.

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I disagree with this. It was higher because of this, period.

I am guessing, at least 2-3 hundred cases higher than if it had been US print to order as we thought.
I guess you are right when just looking at the preorders from US customers.

I was more looking at it from print runs from many 2016 products.
For a product you would think would be the most collected in recent years, they at least didn't run the presses like they did with Chrome of 2015.
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I guess you are right when just looking at the preorders from US customers.

I was more looking at it from print runs from many 2016 products.
For a product you would think would be the most collected in recent years, they at least didn't run the presses like they did with Chrome of 2015.
Yep got it. I slightly edited my post but it was too late.

The question now is what is best to pre-order.

GF reborn (full saga and possibly expanded universe and cartoons)
Journey to Last Jedi (Force Awakens set)
Masterworks 2017 (higher end, on card, full saga with maybe Rogue One special focus)
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