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Old 04-11-2017, 11:48 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Thanks for the comments guys! I agree that the packaging is crazy and it was a surprise (I was just hoping the sketch would safely get to me), so I was taken aback when the package arrived. It took me about a day and half of staring at the box to bring myself to open it, haha. I think this is the first time I felt the need to take unboxing pictures of anything, haha.
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Old 04-12-2017, 07:35 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I picked up some nice AP sketch cards last month:


Kaylee Fry Firefly AP sketch by Chris Foulkes
Ladies of Zenescope AP sketches by Israel Arteaga and Barush Merling


trio of AP sketch cards by Bianca Thompson: Emma Frost Fleer Retro, Vampirella, and Red Sonja
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Old 04-13-2017, 04:17 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Here are my pick ups for this month



Scott Barnett SMA AP


Larry "Slickaway" Schlekewy MU11


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Old 04-13-2017, 11:19 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I saw that Glebe Logan AP...no way that was approved by Rittenhouse and Marvel.
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Old 04-13-2017, 08:42 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I saw that Glebe Logan AP...no way that was approved by Rittenhouse and Marvel.
Especially since Rittenhouse no longer provides any approvals. They no longer care what you do on a blank Marvel sketch card.
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I saw that Glebe Logan AP...no way that was approved by Rittenhouse and Marvel.
Yea, almost none of there's could have been approved. They have a for sale thread down below littered with them. Well at leat they did.
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Especially since Rittenhouse no longer provides any approvals. They no longer care what you do on a blank Marvel sketch card.
Can Rittenhouse not get in trouble for that?
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Can Rittenhouse not get in trouble for that?
Not really. Artistic license and all that. Remember when the first cry for dawn set had nude Disney characters?
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Can Rittenhouse not get in trouble for that?
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't see how *Rittenhouse* could get in trouble. Marvel/Disney could attempt to go after the individual artists selling unapproved cards. I know they've had lawyers threaten as much at some of the larger conventions where artists were selling prints, etc, that weren't licensed or approved.
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Not really. Artistic license and all that. Remember when the first cry for dawn set had nude Disney characters?
I don't think I've been collecting that long lol.
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I don't think I've been collecting that long lol.
Early to mid 90s I'm not sure the exact year. Besides all the cry for dawn images it had 2 nude Disney cards. Disney tried to stop them but were unsuccessful. There are laws in place commonly referred to as artistic license laws that allow for copyrighted material to be used in artistic ways. How those laws work and how they're applied I'm not 100% sure. But artists proofs can be anything they want them to. It's like blank cover comics.
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Early to mid 90s I'm not sure the exact year. Besides all the cry for dawn images it had 2 nude Disney cards. Disney tried to stop them but were unsuccessful. There are laws in place commonly referred to as artistic license laws that allow for copyrighted material to be used in artistic ways. How those laws work and how they're applied I'm not 100% sure. But artists proofs can be anything they want them to. It's like blank cover comics.
That is not entirely correct. A blank comic cover is publicly available, whereas artists had to sign a contract to receive those blank AP cards. Its apples verses oranges. The contract that the artists signed stipulated requirements for those AP cards (i.e., that they required approval, certain characters or items that could not be drawn, etc...). Whether or not the individual artists can still be held accountable for that contract since Rittenhouse no longer holds the license agreement is unbeknownst to me.

As for the Cry for Dawn cards, I'm sure they would argue the imagery was satire, which is typically is protected from copyright infringement.
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That is not entirely correct. A blank comic cover is publicly available, whereas artists had to sign a contract to receive those blank AP cards. Its apples verses oranges. The contract that the artists signed stipulated requirements for those AP cards (i.e., that they required approval, certain characters or items that could not be drawn, etc...). Whether or not the individual artists can still be held accountable for that contract since Rittenhouse no longer holds the license agreement is unbeknownst to me.

As for the Cry for Dawn cards, I'm sure they would argue the imagery was satire, which is typically is protected from copyright infringement.
If I am reading everything correctly, if you return the AP to the artist saying "not approved" you're not paying them for it and it becomes their property. At which point they can do with it as they choose because it would fall under the artistic license area. Besides for any of the companies to care you'd either have to be making insane amounts of money to make you a target or do something REALLY insane with the cards to piss them off to the point where they seek legal action to stop you.
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I picked up some nice AP sketch cards last month:


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trio of AP sketch cards by Bianca Thompson: Emma Frost Fleer Retro, Vampirella, and Red Sonja
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If I am reading everything correctly, if you return the AP to the artist saying "not approved" you're not paying them for it and it becomes their property. At which point they can do with it as they choose because it would fall under the artistic license area. Besides for any of the companies to care you'd either have to be making insane amounts of money to make you a target or do something REALLY insane with the cards to piss them off to the point where they seek legal action to stop you.
That's not at all correct (the first part).

Whether they are worth going after... like I said earlier, I doubt it.
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That's not at all correct (the first part).

Whether they are worth going after... like I said earlier, I doubt it.
The artists are paid for their work even if it's rejected? Wouldn't that make it more profitable to intentionally make pieces you know will be rejected, get them back, and sell them on ebay, basically getting paid twice for all your work?
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Especially since Rittenhouse no longer provides any approvals. They no longer care what you do on a blank Marvel sketch card.

I'm confused by this...I thought all art for these sets had to be approved by Rittenhouse and Marvel.

I understand if it's a situation where it's not even sent to Rittenhouse (which the Logan card probably wasn't), but I'm pretty sure on the sets artists have had cards rejected.
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I'm confused by this...I thought all art for these sets had to be approved by Rittenhouse and Marvel.

I understand if it's a situation where it's not even sent to Rittenhouse (which the Logan card probably wasn't), but I'm pretty sure on the sets artists have had cards rejected.
Rittenhouse no longer has the license to produce Marvel cards.
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The artists are paid for their work even if it's rejected? Wouldn't that make it more profitable to intentionally make pieces you know will be rejected, get them back, and sell them on ebay, basically getting paid twice for all your work?
1. For set cards, yes the artist receive payment even if the cards are rejected. However, the artists do not have those cards in thier possession to sell. They are returned to the company prior to the review process. Typically the payment for those cards is reduced, but these details vary by company.

2. For cards provided as blank APcards, they are part of the payment the artist receives for the set cards. The company does not provide any additional payment for work done on those cards. However, the work done on those cards is still required to be approved. If the card is rejected, the artist is not permitted to sell the card. They are expected to fix it and resubmit it for approval. Some companies did allow the card to be returned or destroyed and then provided the artist with a new blank replacement.

Rittenhouse no longer has a license to make Marvel Comic cards. There are still blanks out there from old sets. Rittenhouse is no longer getting approvalsome from Marvel. It's basically become a free for all on those remaining blanks. I don't know the legal side of things, but that is what's happening. So, if you want something crazy on a Rittenhouse Marvel blank, now is the time to shoot for it.

Honestly, I worked with several artists in the past that didn't want to submit the cards for approvals and we're happy to skirt that process. As a collector, it never really mattered to me if the card was approved or not, just that I was happy with it.

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I'm confused by this...I thought all art for these sets had to be approved by Rittenhouse and Marvel.

I understand if it's a situation where it's not even sent to Rittenhouse (which the Logan card probably wasn't), but I'm pretty sure on the sets artists have had cards rejected.
You are correct, except Rittenhouse no longer pays for the license and no longer produces Marvel Comic sets. These cards are unused blanks from past sets. I don't know what the language is in the contracts,more if it's even covered, but Rittenhouse is no longer submitting these cards for approval. It's essentially a free for all. A couple artists that had blanks sold them or gave them to some other artists that have drawn imagery that would not have been approved.
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Ah...that makes sense now...didn't know they gave up the Marvel license.
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