Oval office vs pennsylvania ave

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by dd316

You're obviously attracted to shiny things.




And call me crazy (I'm sure you will), but the holder is pretty much the same thing. It's clear plastic, one has a gold label the other silver. The only difference is Leaf has a Beckett logo that means...... that Beckett slabbed it. I personally love Beckett publications. Their price guide is always on target.

A good amount of 1600 does use photographs of the Presidents.


And to bring up your post on another thread...



That's a perfect comparison. Your opinion is duly noted, now if you'll excuse me I have to get back to the boardwalk.

Excellent post.

Anyone can add a common picture to a card, but some choose to add art. I prefer art.

[marino5084]

Originally Posted by dd316

You're obviously attracted to shiny things.




And call me crazy (I'm sure you will), but the holder is pretty much the same thing. It's clear plastic, one has a gold label the other silver. The only difference is Leaf has a Beckett logo that means...... that Beckett slabbed it. I personally love Beckett publications. Their price guide is always on target.

A good amount of 1600 does use photographs of the Presidents.


And to bring up your post on another thread...



That's a perfect comparison. Your opinion is duly noted, now if you'll excuse me I have to get back to the boardwalk.

The Oval Office cards looks like every other Razor Product. Shiny with a glittery surface that flakes off.

I prefer the appearance of the 1600 Penn Ave.

[bprice]

Collectors, there is a reason that Baskin and Robbins have so many different flavors of ice cream.

Everyone likes something different.

I respect the work of Brian Gray and Leaf but I also feel that Famous Fabrics brings something different to the market with our products.

Collectors have the final decision about what they like and don't like when the make their purchases.

Liking one product does not mean that you have to bash another. In my product, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, I chose to create some original artwork for use on many of the cards, that does not make it better or worse, just makes it different.

Thank you to those who support my product and to those who support the Leaf product, you are all part of our hobby. Enjoy it.

Brian Price

[marino5084]

Originally Posted by bprice

Collectors, there is a reason that Baskin and Robbins have so many different flavors of ice cream.

Everyone likes something different.

I respect the work of Brian Gray and Leaf but I also feel that Famous Fabrics brings something different to the market with our products.

Collectors have the final decision about what they like and don't like when the make their purchases.

Liking one product does not mean that you have to bash another. In my product, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, I chose to create some original artwork for use on many of the cards, that does not make it better or worse, just makes it different.

Thank you to those who support my product and to those who support the Leaf product, you are all part of our hobby. Enjoy it.

Brian Price

The cards look fantastic Dr Price. I especially like the Thomas Jefferson and Jacqueline Kennedy cuts I pulled The hair was literally standing up on my arms.

I apologize if my comment sounded like I was bashing the Oval Office. It was only meant as an opinion. I prefer the Historic look of the Penn Ave cards.

I should hold my opinion until I am able to see more of this years Oval Office.

[bprice]

Marino my comments were not directed at anyone in particular.

Just general comments that if you like one product you don't have to bash the other to make the one you like look better. Just like what you like, that's it.

Thank you personally for your support and congratulations on your "pull".

Brian Price

[kyle1707]

IMO

There it is no contest...

Oval office has Washington...

But for the other 250 packs it is the same product..

Famous fabrics has 5 more hits...

I would pick famous fabrics over oval office every time..

those extra 5 hits will probably add 200 dollars right off the bat if not more in a lot of cases...

[kajshack]

Originally Posted by bprice

Marino my comments were not directed at anyone in particular.

Just general comments that if you like one product you don't have to bash the other to make the one you like look better. Just like what you like, that's it.

Thank you personally for your support and congratulations on your "pull".

Brian Price

Truer words have never been spoken.

[warlordforever]

both products way out of price range

[kajshack]

By the way, the base set in 1600 looks great. Very interesting idea and a great way to add value to the product.

[WhacksPacks]

WIll be bidding on some of the white house dogs base cards..but set builders will prob beat me

[generallou]

Just remember beckett is not authenticating the autos they just slab them so their name adds nothing to value

[vwnut13]

Die Cuts vs. Exacto Knife

Die Cut wins every time.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by vwnut13

Die Cuts vs. Exacto Knife

Die Cut wins every time.

Nope, not even close to "every time".

I prefer entire signatures as apposed to those cut off by pre-made, die-cut windows.

I'll take custom cut windows that preserve entire autos over any die-cut that cuts them off, and I put my money where my mouth is.

[Nicnac]

Originally Posted by vwnut13

Die Cuts vs. Exacto Knife

Die Cut wins every time.

LOL so you like autographs that are cut in half across the top, bottom, or ends?

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by Nicnac

LOL so you like autographs that are cut in half across the top, bottom, or ends?

Well, he said "every time". LOL

[edhou1]

Originally Posted by kyle1707

IMO

There it is no contest...

Oval office has Washington...

But for the other 250 packs it is the same product..

Famous fabrics has 5 more hits...

I would pick famous fabrics over oval office every time..

those extra 5 hits will probably add 200 dollars right off the bat if not more in a lot of cases...

Having seen a few breaks now, I would tend to agree that Famous Fabrics is generally a better break because of the extra hits. and I'm not saying this solely because I didn't get a top auto in my Oval Office break.

I would still contend that the very top end of Oval (there is at least 3 Lincoln duals including 1 of the 2 George Washingtons, Hitler, Mandela) there are a few unique cards that 1600 did not make. This is not a bag on 1600, just stating that there is a case to 'gamble' for Oval Office , albeit the risk-reward from a resale perspective may not be worth it to most.

To address previous points, I still like the actual photos in Oval Office (no offense to the artists in 1600), but that is a personal preference. The 1600s are very nice and I applaud Brian Price and crew for a great product.

[vwnut13]

Originally Posted by mwheeler27

Nope, not even close to "every time".

I prefer entire signatures as apposed to those cut off by pre-made, die-cut windows.

I'll take custom cut windows that preserve entire autos over any die-cut that cuts them off, and I put my money where my mouth is.

I don't know much about card manufacturing, but I'd say, for the cost of a few boxes of Pennsylvania Ave. you could purchase an adjustable die cut.

I prefer my cards to not look like they were made by a five year old.

But I guess if people prefer there cards to look like that, and buy every single one, there is no reason to change.

[sdothbc]

they are both really neat products, I'm curious, how big is the supply of available autographs of some of these early presidents? How many more can these producers buy ie. how many more years will these types of products be available?

my opinion- I'd prefer the 1600 penn ave, just simply for the extra cards and the layout of the product. If I decide to buy either product, I'll go with 1600 so if I don't hit a monster cut, say I get a GW bush, as least I've hedged my bets and have a 2nd cut +4 base cards to make up some of the money I spent. Probably if I'm strictly gambling, the bigger hits are with leaf. For my though, with so many monster hits in 1600 I'd go for it with the extra cards.

[Nicnac]

Originally Posted by vwnut13

I don't know much about card manufacturing, but I'd say, for the cost of a few boxes of Pennsylvania Ave. you could purchase an adjustable die cut.

I prefer my cards to not look like they were made by a five year old.

But I guess if people prefer there cards to look like that, and buy every single one, there is no reason to change.

Made by a five year old? What an immature, trollish comment to make about a publisher that cares about the product and customer enough to participate in a forum of collectors. You don't deserve the product to be of any quality with that attitude.

Go back to Upper Deck.

[vwnut13]

Originally Posted by Nicnac

Made by a five year old? What an immature, trollish comment to make about a publisher that cares about the product and customer enough to participate in a forum of collectors. You don't deserve the product to be of any quality with that attitude.

Go back to Upper Deck.

I see what you mean.

I'm going to start purchasing every Off Center and Diamond Cut card I can find.

What screams great card better than 85-15 centering!

[vwnut13]

Hoqw about the Hayes? Left Edge was cut much thinner and appears to be broken.

[bprice]

What is being posed here about die cut windows is a very important issue.

My staff could save a lot of time and I could save a lot of money if I simply used standard die cut windows for all of the signatures. But that might sacrifice part of the signature and I have always thought that this was much more important.

So to those who feel that we are using an Exacto knife on these cards, let me assure you we are not, we are going to great lengths to insure the integrity of these valuable signatures.

I have nothing to say to the poster who suggested that a five-year produced our die cuts.

Brian Price

[coltsnsox07]

Vw, yeah that's the Hayes I got and it is broken there. I didn't even notice 'till you did!

[vwnut13]

Originally Posted by bprice

What is being posed here about die cut windows is a very important issue.

My staff could save a lot of time and I could save a lot of money if I simply used standard die cut windows for all of the signatures. But that might sacrifice part of the signature and I have always thought that this was much more important.

So to those who feel that we are using an Exacto knife on these cards, let me assure you we are not, we are going to great lengths to insure the integrity of these valuable signatures.

I have nothing to say to the poster who suggested that a five-year produced our die cuts.

Brian Price

You said it best, a Die Cut would save a ton of time and money.

Just because you are using a Die Cutter doesn't mean that you have to use one standard size cut out.

I wouldn't imagine that it would take more than a few different sized windows to create all the cards for the entire product.

It's just my opinion that the cutouts could look better, that's all.

[mwheeler27]

Originally Posted by vwnut13

I wouldn't imagine that it would take more than a few different sized windows to create all the cards for the entire product.

It would take a lot more than a few different sized windows. Believe me, as a collector of stuff like this, I know.