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Old 03-03-2012, 12:23 PM   #126 (permalink)
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Looks like prices on the base are settling a bit, but I still can't seem to win any.
Your Madison is doing well. One sold last night for over $80!
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Old 03-03-2012, 02:39 PM   #127 (permalink)
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Your Madison is doing well. One sold last night for over $80!
It's weird how the prices are all over the place. Madison seems to be very popular for some reason.
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Old 03-03-2012, 02:50 PM   #128 (permalink)
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It's weird how the prices are all over the place. Madison seems to be very popular for some reason.
I wonder if some people are going for the set vs. someone going after all 10 of a certain card? I wanted the Herbert and Lou Hoover base for my PC and I ended up paying $76 for it...my guess is I was going up against a set collector(since this was the first one listed that I have seen)
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Probably an anomaly but...

This ended on March 3rd for $773:

2012 LEAF OVAL OFFICE CUT SIGNATURE JOHN TYLER 2/5 RARE CARD MINT BGS PRESIDENT | eBay

This ended a day later on March 4th for $1125:

2012 Famous Fabrics JOHN TYLER CUT AUTO AUTOGRAPH #1/1 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW! | eBay

That's a premium of over 45% for the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW card over the Oval Office card.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:41 AM   #130 (permalink)
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Probably an anomaly but...

This ended on March 3rd for $773:

2012 LEAF OVAL OFFICE CUT SIGNATURE JOHN TYLER 2/5 RARE CARD MINT BGS PRESIDENT | eBay

This ended a day later on March 4th for $1125:

2012 Famous Fabrics JOHN TYLER CUT AUTO AUTOGRAPH #1/1 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW! | eBay

That's a premium of over 45% for the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW card over the Oval Office card.
May have something to do with the one being /5 and the other a 1/1

Here is another pair we can compare in 2 days. $850 BO for the /5 Obama Oval Office and wait for the auction of the 1600 1/1 Obama auto to end

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BARACK-OBAMA...#ht_927wt_1163
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...#ht_500wt_1413
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May have something to do with the one being /5 and the other a 1/1
Except that the 1600 cut isn't really a 1/1 -- the checklist shows 2 Tylers.

For whatever reason, every cut card in 1600 is slabbed as 1/1, even when there are multiple examples in the product. I guess 1/1 refers to that specific signature, not the total out there.
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Except that the 1600 cut isn't really a 1/1 -- the checklist shows 2 Tylers.

For whatever reason, every cut card in 1600 is slabbed as 1/1, even when there are multiple examples in the product. I guess 1/1 refers to that specific signature, not the total out there.
Isn't the other Tyler a "dual" cut? One card has a single signature and the other has two signatures - why would they be anything but a 1/1?
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Except that the 1600 cut isn't really a 1/1 -- the checklist shows 2 Tylers.

For whatever reason, every cut card in 1600 is slabbed as 1/1, even when there are multiple examples in the product. I guess 1/1 refers to that specific signature, not the total out there.
Not exactly.

Each cut signature in 1600 Penn. is a unique card. No two are the same. The autograph itself has nothing to do with it.

Oval Office has a total of 97 unique cards, I believe. 1600 Penn has nearly 5 times as many at 480.
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Not exactly.

Each cut signature in 1600 Penn. is a unique card. No two are the same. The autograph itself has nothing to do with it.

Oval Office has a total of 97 unique cards, I believe. 1600 Penn has nearly 5 times as many at 480.
Which makes sense since Oval Office only has 1/1's of single and dual presidential cuts while 1600 Penn has cabinet members, first ladies, children and such.
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Which makes sense since Oval Office only has 1/1's of single and dual presidential cuts while 1600 Penn has cabinet members, first ladies, children and such.
1600 Penn has 240 unique 1/1 Presidential cut signature cards compared to 97 unique cards in Oval Office ranging in stated print runs of up to 5 each.
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1600 Penn has 240 unique 1/1 Presidential cut signature cards compared to 97 unique cards in Oval Office ranging in stated print runs of up to 5 each.
1600 also has 3 1/1's for most of the presidents so instead of numbering them /3 they changed the card the cut went into and stamped them all 1/1.
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1600 also has 3 1/1's for most of the presidents so instead of numbering them /3 they changed the card the cut went into and stamped them all 1/1.
I don't think any of them are stamped. Sounds minor, but I don't like stamped cards. Changing the cards makes them unique, and they didn't do it by changing colors, like many products now days. They actually changed the images.

I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have 1 of 3 of a specific person that is numbered 1/1 than 1 of 5 of a specific person that is numbered /5.
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I don't think any of them are stamped. Sounds minor, but I don't like stamped cards. Changing the cards makes them unique, and they didn't do it by changing colors, like many products now days. They actually changed the images.

I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have 1 of 3 of a specific person that is numbered 1/1 than 1 of 5 of a specific person that is numbered /5.
Oh yeah they aren't stamped it's printed on the label in the slab. I knew I saw numbering somewhere!
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Serial numbering is way overstated in this. Its not like collecting a base set or something it all comes down to the signature and the product. FF hit the secondary market first and did particularly well because a lot of their big hits hit first. That said since Leaf Oval Office has created an equal footing on ebay those cuts are outselling the FF.

Like somebody said the numbering is very misleading because it refers really to the card image. Leaf is using the same image 1-5 times per president while FF is using 3 unique images. Still flooding the market with more signatures of the same person and the signature is what is king in all of this.
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I'm personally surprised at how low the 1600 Pennsylvania is selling in comparison to Oval Office. Glancing at most of them, it looks to me that the cuts are presented better on 1600 and look to be a little more cleaner. As a buyer it works for me but I don't think the rippers could have anticipated the current market conditions.
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I'm personally surprised at how low the 1600 Pennsylvania is selling in comparison to Oval Office. Glancing at most of them, it looks to me that the cuts are presented better on 1600 and look to be a little more cleaner. As a buyer it works for me but I don't think the rippers could have anticipated the current market conditions.
Looks you may be right but I think Oval Office has contained the higher quality cut from a provenance question.

With a cut its never going to be possible as a buyer to know exactly what came from what. That said with the Oval Office I am seeing a lot more Free Franks, checks, and other well known documents to give me more faith in the cuts authenticity. I have been able to pull up a lot of the Oval Office offerings and compare them to similar documents. Not accusing anybody of anything underhanded just stating that on the whole I've had an easier time identifying and researching the Oval Office cuts.
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I'm personally surprised at how low the 1600 Pennsylvania is selling in comparison to Oval Office. Glancing at most of them, it looks to me that the cuts are presented better on 1600 and look to be a little more cleaner. As a buyer it works for me but I don't think the rippers could have anticipated the current market conditions.
I haven't noticed this. I'm sure both products outsell the other at times.

Is it a fact that Oval Office is outselling like cards in 1600 Penn consistently?
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I haven't noticed this. I'm sure both products outsell the other at times.

Is it a fact that Oval Office is outselling like cards in 1600 Penn consistently?
I started to write a response saying that I'd look later but the curiosity got the better of me and I looked at completed auctions. For what was comparable it swung both ways. What made me think that Oval is outselling 1600 is that the more current presidents (Obama, Bush, Reagan) are really outselling the older presidents (Truman, Harding, Arthur). Pretty crazy that they're closing in the $900 range. If anyone has terapeak, it would be interesting to see how the first year of Oval did in comparison to this year.
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1600 also has 3 1/1's for most of the presidents so instead of numbering them /3 they changed the card the cut went into and stamped them all 1/1.
The cards are all different. There is a Presidential Signature, a running mates dual and a couples dual. Why would they be numbered to 3 if they are not the same.
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The cards are all different. There is a Presidential Signature, a running mates dual and a couples dual. Why would they be numbered to 3 if they are not the same.
Some of the presidents have 3 1/1 single cuts looking at the checklist. The auto is the same just the card it is on changed.
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Some of the presidents have 3 1/1 single cuts looking at the checklist. The auto is the same just the card it is on changed.
And by looking at some completed sales of both, it looks like it pays to spend a little more time making unique 1/1s.
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Some of the presidents have 3 1/1 single cuts looking at the checklist. The auto is the same just the card it is on changed.
Wasn't aware of that. I'll have to take another look.
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I haven't noticed this. I'm sure both products outsell the other at times.
Of course you didnt, but you sure did run to several message boards to point out the one that did go the other way a few days ago.

Isnt it odd people know what you are going to say before you say it?
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Of course you didnt, but you sure did run to several message boards to point out the one that did go the other way a few days ago.

Isnt it odd people know what you are going to say before you say it?
It's not just one.

And I don't think it's odd at all.
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Well another data point to add to the discussion. The only single Obama auto in 1600 Penn sold for $960 at auction while the only single Obama out of Oval Office to have sold went for $850 with a BO. There is a live auction currently going for another Oval Office cut ending in 5 days.

President Barack Obama AUTO Leaf 2012 Oval Office Cut Signature #4/5 | eBay
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